What are some occasions when Michigan was the beneficiary of bad officiating?
November 27th, 2016 at 7:12 PM ^
Come on people...this is getting whiny...
There are always missed and wrong calls...with officiating being abysmal throughout all levels of football, could it just be that we are just seeing proof of this instead of some type of secret collusion against us?
November 27th, 2016 at 7:14 PM ^
That's sort of the point of this thread...
November 27th, 2016 at 7:17 PM ^
Yeah, but it goes both ways...
For example...when we played South Carolina in the bowl, we got a first down when it was obvious that the chain was well clear of the football and hence no first down...Ultimately, it didn't matter, but that was the WORST officiating I ever seen...there was nothing objective about the call...it was just wrong and we benefited.
November 27th, 2016 at 8:54 PM ^
Yes . . . the whole point of this thread is that sometimes bad officiating has favored us. Did you read the OP?
November 27th, 2016 at 8:44 PM ^
Schwartzel is an Athens, Ohio businessman who refs Big Ten games. He's also a life-long Ohio State fan. Without even taking his fandom into account, he was barred from officiating the 2006 Michigan/osu game simply by being from Ohio. Yet he officiated the game yesterday. http://www.athensnews.com/news/local/local-businessman-has-interesting-…
Sagers is also from Ohio. This year, he was inducted into the OHSAA hall of fame, ceremony in Columbus. http://www.wsaz.com/content/sports/Fifteen-Individuals-Set-to-Enter-OHS…
And Capron--the lead referee--was fired by the big ten in 2002 for poor officiating.
http://www.purdueexponent.org/sports/article_f22a455e-1bc6-504f-957d-87…
So this is the situation. You have a self-pronounced life-long Ohio State fan in the position to make the no-call on Grant Perry's pass interference, and the pass-interference call on Delano Hill--crucial, game-changing calls at the end of the game. You also have an official inducted in the Ohio High School hall of fame--someone who is likely connected with other Ohio higher-ups--likely spotting the ball at the end of the game. (I'm not sure if he actually spotted it, but I'm pretty sure he's one of the guys running in from the sidelines along the yard line that he thinks the ball is on.) Whoever actually spotted the ball knew that, because overtime play starts at the 25 yard line, spotting the ball exactly on the 15 will give OSU a first down. Finally, all of this is reviewed by a lead official whom the big ten fired in 2002 for incompetence.
An OSU victory also was good for the big ten. If Michigan wins, it goes to the big ten championship, where the winner of Michigan and Wisconsin will make the playoffs; but if OSU wins, it sits home, while Wisconsin and Penn State play each other. OSU makes the playoffs, as does the winner of Wisconsin and Penn State. That's double the TV revenue on New Year's Eve for round one--money that Maryland and Rutgers and everyone else who sucks and have contributed nothing to anything get to share.
I'm not going to defame anyone and say that the game was indeed fixed. All I can do is point to inherent biases in some of the officials. And I can highlight Jim Delaney's and the big ten's "motivation" for fixing the game (again, not saying they actually did it without further proof). My hope is that we can learn from this experience and create a better process for selecting officials in the future.
November 28th, 2016 at 9:44 AM ^
November 27th, 2016 at 7:13 PM ^
Two fumble calls that the refs screwed up were the reason we won that game. One fumble, the Illinois RB recovered his fumble but the refs said Michigan recovered. Then we actually fumbled going in to score and the refs said A-Train was down.
November 27th, 2016 at 7:32 PM ^
November 28th, 2016 at 3:23 AM ^
I was thinking about this question last night, and this was the first game to come to mind. I couldn't think of any others...
November 27th, 2016 at 7:14 PM ^
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November 27th, 2016 at 7:15 PM ^
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November 28th, 2016 at 9:10 AM ^
I officially agree.
November 27th, 2016 at 7:15 PM ^
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November 27th, 2016 at 7:29 PM ^
That's something you'd have to lobby Brian and Seth about.
I honestly agree with you from a mod standpoint, and to be honest, I don't know why the threshhold is so low unless it is to encourage people to test their MGoWings once they get the minimum amount.
It does make cleaning up a bit of a chore, but for now....well....
November 27th, 2016 at 7:39 PM ^
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November 28th, 2016 at 9:52 AM ^
November 27th, 2016 at 7:50 PM ^
November 27th, 2016 at 8:32 PM ^
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November 27th, 2016 at 7:15 PM ^
Last year's Minni game
November 27th, 2016 at 7:16 PM ^
Bad measurement in 2013 Outback Bowl
November 27th, 2016 at 7:18 PM ^
like minds...
November 27th, 2016 at 7:19 PM ^
November 27th, 2016 at 7:21 PM ^
Yeah, but the football gods punished Michigan right after with one of the most iconic plays in CFB history and well... M lost.
OSU on the other hand...doesn't seem to have bad luck. Ever.
November 27th, 2016 at 7:30 PM ^
"One of the most iconic plays in CFB history" might be overdoing it. It was a good play by Clowney but not like the Cal-Stanford miracle or anything.
November 27th, 2016 at 7:36 PM ^
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November 28th, 2016 at 4:01 AM ^
I always thought that was a terrible call (and I believe is the reason Clowney almost murdered Smith) but looking at the picture it might have actually been a first down. The camera angle is way behing the ball, it looks very close.
November 28th, 2016 at 8:34 AM ^
while I don't think it was a first down, I think the camera angle gives us a view that the ref just did not have.
November 27th, 2016 at 7:22 PM ^
One off the top of my head was back when A-Train was our rb. I think it was either against either Illinois or Northwestern. Illinois/NW were driving, and the rb fumbled the ball. Upon closer review the ground had caused the fumble and it should have stayed with them. Keep in mind this was before the days where they reviewed every damn play and the game wasn't 5 hours long. So we get the ball back, and A-Train fumbles. They rule him down. Replay shows clearly it was a fumble. Michigan goes on to win.
however, with that being said, yesterday's game was still corrupt because the bad calls were happening the entire game, from the get-go. Plus they're all ohio born and self professed butt-guy fans. One of which was fired which is why I don't understand why he is back in the officiating industry.
edit- looks like somebody beat me to it. lol
November 27th, 2016 at 7:23 PM ^
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November 27th, 2016 at 7:22 PM ^
That is all that comes to mind. This year's Ohio game is the only that I can recall would have made a difference in the outcome. I think all of the calls were judgment calls rather than clear error; it just happens that there were many and all went against Michigan.
November 27th, 2016 at 7:22 PM ^
November 27th, 2016 at 8:27 PM ^
Oh yes . . . Braylon's "catch and fumble" which looked suspiciously like an incompletion, on 4th down.
November 27th, 2016 at 11:10 PM ^
everything about Braylon's body language screamed "I didn't catch it." Wasn't it Walker that jumped on the "fumble"?
This one of the bigger, game-changing breaks I can recall we've received.
November 27th, 2016 at 7:23 PM ^
There was the TD we got in the Rodriguez era where a WR hit the pylon with his foot, they got it right on the field and then incorrectly reversed on replay. Home game, think it was Hemingway, couldn't tell you who the opponent was. Probably Northwestern. Who like 90% of pro-Michigan bad officiating happens against.
November 27th, 2016 at 7:37 PM ^
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November 27th, 2016 at 7:41 PM ^
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November 27th, 2016 at 8:05 PM ^
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November 27th, 2016 at 8:28 PM ^
And Gibbons false-started before that and several other kicks.
November 27th, 2016 at 7:24 PM ^
November 27th, 2016 at 11:45 PM ^
Lost anyway, but in the No. 1 vs. 2 game at Iowa in '85, Hawkeyes had an obvious touchdown catch ruled out of bounds.
November 27th, 2016 at 7:29 PM ^
It'd be cool to see an objective "Upon further review" of the refs on every play of this game.
November 27th, 2016 at 8:01 PM ^
November 27th, 2016 at 11:14 PM ^
I think Brian already does an incredible job of this within the UFRs. I've come to value his objectivity in UFR in making me a little more rational post-game. Most games have puts and takes and he calls them out - chances are we got away with a grab or two in The Game. So that means, all the more, when Brian says it was an inside job, I believe him.
Sadly, I'm expecting that this week.
November 27th, 2016 at 7:31 PM ^
nevermind
November 27th, 2016 at 7:29 PM ^
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