This Week’s Obsession: The Class of 2016 Roundtable
Kinda like Signing of the Stars but none of us hung on as a bad middle infielder for way too long [photo: Bryan Fuller]
In our annual rite we pose the standard boring questions about the lately received class to our panel of writers, who by nature of being asked questions may appear like experts. One of us might even be one. The lineup:
- Brian: Not a real journalist.
- Ace: Chief enunciator, lead reporter, recruiting/basketball guy.
- Seth: Associate editor/site business guy
- BiSB, esquire. A lawyer who occasionally does lawyer work at his attorney job.
- Adam Schnepp: Press correspondent (Heiko's old job) and hockey guy.
- Dave Nasternak: J. Ira and Nicki Harris Family Lead Backend Logistics Strategist and Associate Vice President of Signs Holding Up Of.
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Best recruit other than Gary?
Brian: Give me David Long. Long's a legit six-foot corner ranked in the top 100 everywhere. Originally he was thought of as a wide receiver recruit but everyone flipped him to defense after he tore up camps with a combination of acceleration, size, agility, and smarts. He's handsy, he's going to excel at the press coverage Michigan will continue to use, and he is A+ off the field. If you're asking me who other than Gary is the most likely to go in the first round of the draft I'll ride with Long.
Harbaugh can pick ‘em. [Bryan Fuller] |
Ace: I’ll take Brandon Peters. I had the chance to watch him in two full games this past season—one in person, one on TV—and in both he excelled against high-level competition. Peters has a live, accurate arm, enough athleticism to break the pocket and make plays on the run, and an advanced understanding of how to put touch on the ball to get his receiver in the best possible position to make a big play. Given he enrolled early, I wouldn’t be surprised if he made a push for the starting job, and even if John O’Korn wins it this year (which I expect), Peters should give him a serious run in 2017 before he’s the odds-on favorite to win the job in 2018.
Seth: I'm with Ace on Peters. As long as the physical tools are good enough rating a QB is about how well he sees the game, and he sees it very very well.
Adam: I'm going with Ben Bredeson. I wholeheartedly endorse his billing as Mason Cole 2.0, but versatility doesn't make you the best recruit in the class outside of one of nature's anomalies. Bredeson looks like he's zone blocking on every play because of how quickly he hits the second level; when I realized there was actually a sniveling defensive lineman across from Bredeson that he had just taken for a ride I was sold.
BiSB: Peters. His tape is just throw after throw that isn’t just a good ball, but is also the right kind of ball. I described it at one point as the “lollipop, lollipop, MURDERDEATHLASER” approach; he is extremely adept at putting touch on the ball (which is the right play when playing with high school receivers), but can fire bullets when need be. He’s mobile, and he can move around the pocket. The only real question is how he will adapt to life under center, and as an early enrollee he can probably figure that out. I’m really, really excited to see what Harbaugh can do with him.
[After the JUMP: things we will unwrap sooner and later, and Ace and Seth turn Name of the Year into an argument because that’s how we ‘geddon around here.]
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Most important other than Gary?
Brian: After the Hamilton decommit it has to be Ben Bredeson. Michigan is light on numbers on the OL and needs their guys to come through; Bredeson is the guy they need to come through most thanks to his ability. Bredeson is Mason Cole 2.0, a versatile offensive lineman who could slot in anywhere across the line.
Imagine Delano Hill’s head on Jourdan Lewis’s body except it’s 3 years younger and looks 40 years younger. [Upchurch] |
Ideally, he's a guard. In Michigan's situation he might have to kick out to right tackle eventually. Either way Michigan has to throw someone new and young into the mix in 2017 and Bredeson is clearly the guy most likely to be ready by then; his importance will only grow the following year when Cole graduates.
Ace: With Mike McCray’s status still somewhat in doubt and Ben Gedeon not exactly looking like a world-beater anyway, it’d be huge if Devin Bush Jr. is good enough to lock down a starting job right away at inside linebacker. While he’s undersized, that hasn’t been a problem for Don Brown in the past, and playing behind a monster D-line he should be free to utilize his quickness and nose for the football. If Bush and Elysee Mbem-Bosse aren’t ready to play in year one, the linebacker depth chart gets scary in a hurry.
Seth: While MLB is the immediate need, both of the cornerbacks David Long and Lavert Hill are going to look like the obvious choice in 2017 when half the depth chart graduates and Peppers probably moves on too. Remember when Michigan went into 2007 figuring Chris Richards and Johnny Sears were gonna be fine? Yes, if you were alive then. Let's not go back to that. #NEVERFORGET
Adam: It's either David Long or Lavert Hill. I can't justify picking one over the other because both are great in press coverage and should be the starters at field and boundary in 2017. With Jourdan Lewis, Channing Stribling, and Jeremy Clark all graduating after 2016, both will need what the skills they showed in high school to translate quickly.
BiSB: Bredeson, for the reasons Brian gave. A versatile, quality lineman in a class that badly needed such a thing.
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Best gift to unwrap in three years?
Brian: I'll stick with the offensive line here and go with Michael Onwenu. Onwenu is unique prospect, and one who is right up Harbaugh's alley. He's a guard who can probably play at 330 or 340. He is unmovable even by guys like Jordan Elliott; he moves others. In a Harbaugh offense that is invaluable. Add in the possibility Onwenu moonlights as a planetoid nose tackle on short yardage--a possibility Harbaugh has broached to him--and he's the guy I'm most curious to see develop over the next few years.
Is Ahmir a receiver? Or can we teach him how to make offense unwatchable for opponents? [Fuller] |
BiSB: I think Nick Eubanks follows the Skillet-Hands Protocol: a redshirt year, a year as an understudy, and then a year as a sower of death and destruction unlike that seen since the Gronk Wars. He needs to add about 30-40 pounds, but you can see the athleticism and the mean streak on film.
Ace: Josh Uche is currently a man without a position—he’s a DE by trade and a pass-rusher first and foremost, but he only weighs 212 pounds. If he can pack on the pounds while maintaining his considerable athleticism, however, he could turn into a special pass-rusher; he’s got that bend around the corner that’s tough to find at any level.
Seth: Ideally Ahmir Mitchell would spend 2016-'17 on a Himalayan peak under the cruel tutelage of Ben Stein in preparation for a life of smothering excitement, deterring commotion, and sowing serenity across the hashmarked plains.
Adam: I doubt you'll be able to keep him off the field for three years, but if I have to pick a guy who will at least redshirt it's Nick Eubanks. He's already a red zone nightmare at 6'5" but is on the slender side; if he can bulk up enough to block while maintaining his speed and athleticism he'll be a great fit for the Harbaughfense.
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Best name (nationally)?
Brian: Bruh he's in the class. Eddie McDoom.
Ace: With McDoom off the board, I’ll go with Auburn OT signee Brodarious Hamm, whose name I instinctively say in my best Keith Jackson voice. Try it. It’s delightful.
Seth: You guys are picking names that just sound good but what about utility? Think what Harbaugh could rend with a tight end named Dakota Holtzclaw?
Artist (Patrick Vint)’s rendition based on eyewitness accounts |
1. He's the size of a DAKOTA! Have you ever driven across a Dakota? I have. They're huge, and flat and miserably same for miles and miles and miles. There isn't a DE in the country who could get around a Dakota if it tries to pass block, or stop one if it blocks downfield. It's literally larger than some tectonic plates.
2. Holtz. Is it blocking? Is it going out in a pattern? What is it even saying? How is it still alive? How is Notre Dame still alive? Oh god it's like Freddy Kreuger without his moisturizer, and now it's dancing around with a cowbell! I have to cover this thing?
3. -claw. Oh you thought this foreign oil-dependency-reducing, podium-destroying nightmare was terrifying before? Well he's also running down the seam and stabbing passes out of the lithosphere with actual CLAWS on his hands. Why are you even trying to defend this? Run!
Ace: HOT TAKE: If it takes more than two sentences to explain why a name is great, it is not great. It’s even worse if you have to photoshop a FrankenHoltz. I realize this is an entirely subjective category, but Rowdy Frederick, Dicaprio Bootle, and Jango Glackin are all still on the board.
Seth: Dakota Cru Birdyshaw was also high on my list. The Dakotas are the worst most boring awful states to drive through and somebody needs to call them out on this.
Ace: ROWDY FREDERICK. I rest my case.
Adam: It is Jango Glackin. If you name your kid after a Star Wars character I will pick him every time. (Looking forward to your recruitment Kylo Robertson, c/o 2034.)
BiSB: The Big Ten West did exactly one thing right this cycle: Nebraska landed Oscar nominee DiCaprio Bootle.
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Guy who got away who will haunt you forever?
Adam: It's obviously Vicious Vic. How can you think about a rocket-propelled battering ram that can throw being molded by a guy born to coach rocket-propelled battering rams that can throw and not be sad?
Ace: It’s too soon to talk about Vicious Vic. It may never not be too soon, really.
Brian: Yes, Vic, always Vic. To have that guy escape Harbaugh's clutches is miserable fate. In the interest of saying something new, Devery Hamilton was a major loss at a position of need.
Seth: It sucks that those two are headed to the Bay, but so long as I’m happy with the quarterback and tackle play at Michigan Stadium on Saturday afternoons I think I’ll be able to enjoy coming home to watch Vic and Devery tearing up the Pac after dark.
Not so Antwaine Richardson, whom the coaches really liked and Durkin pirated away to [sigh] division rival Maryland. I mentioned above that getting two corners in this class was critical, but Michigan really could have used a third quality guy—they chased Jordan Fuller to the bitter end and came up empty. With just Keith Washington, Freddy Canteen, and Brandon Watson expected to be on the roster a year from now, and CB being a spot where 3-4 guys are going to be on the field regularly, odds are high that we’ll need two 2016s who can start in 2017. Woulda liked to have a third arrow in the quiver; instead we’ll have to face it every year.
BiSB: Obvious Vic is obvious, but I think Isaac Nauta could have been something phenomenal in Harbaugh’s offense. Nauta at Georgia reminds me of Denard under Hoke: an obviously special player whose true potential we will only glimpse because of his surroundings.
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Guy you’re most irrationally enthused about?
Ace: Elysee Mbem-Bosse has a great name—I look forward to annoying Brian by interjecting with “BAWSE” at every possible opportunity during podcast tapings—and in addition to that he’s a huge inside linebacker that brings the wood. If he’s capable enough in pass coverage, he should be a heck of a lot of fun to watch as a run-stuffer; I’m envisioning James Ross setting the edge, but with a guy four inches taller and 20 pounds heavier.
Seth: We'd barely heard of Josh Uche before he committed, and once we watched his film I saw a guy doing responsible edge things that Bill O'Brien was cutting dudes from the Texans last summer for not doing.
And Uche just started playing a few years ago so he's picked up how to delay a zone read handoff then shoot up for a TFL in like a year. Irrational because it's hard to gain as much weight as he has to (probably 30 lbs) and keep the agility he uses now to be a highly effective 2nd level slot defender.
The Khaleke Hudson hype is real, so it doesn't count.
Brian: I should point out that I disqualified myself from talking about Khaleke Hudson in the "irrationally enthused" section because I've already made that crystal clear.
The great thing about the bottom half of this class is that it's littered with guys I am pumped about. Uche is a relentless rusher Michigan yoinked from Florida; Mbem-Bosse was snatched from Auburn; Michigan stole McDoom out from Oregon, a team that knows speed.
But my guy is Nate Johnson. Johnson is a faster, more slippery version of Grant Perry. He was outrageously productive in high school and his highlight reel is littered with tough downfield catches, often followed by jittery steps and spin moves that see him add 10, 15, 20 yards to the end of the play. His size is the only thing holding him back, and guys who have seen him in person think that's not even a thing.
Johnson promises to be the kind of downfield slot receiver who can unlock the quarters coverages damn near everyone is using. He's the guy who runs at a Michigan State safety until he panics and dies and allows Michigan to perform like Baylor and Oregon instead of... uh... Michigan.
BiSB: I know we already did the Khaleke Hudson thing, but Khaleke Hudson. I know calling someone a “poor man’s ______” is usually seen as a backhanded compliment at best, but being a poor man’s Jabrill Peppers is still a hell of a thing. Also, I’m unreasonably high on Ahmir Mitchell as a safety.
Adam: I've been ecstatic about Michael Onwenu's commitment since I watched him mercy all comers in one-on-one drills at the Sound Mind Sound Body camp. He's over 350 pounds (he couldn't be weighed at the Army Bowl because that's the highest the scale went) and I hope he doesn't lose any of that weight; he's freakishly athletic and strong. (I know I'm not supposed to pick two but hoooo boy is Eddie McDoom's route running nice.)
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Favorite thing about the class?
Ace: Jim Harbaugh didn’t preoccupy himself with trying to lock down the state or work his way from behind in probably fruitless attempts to establish a presence in Ohio for the 2016 class. Instead, he chose realistic targets—still of very high quality—and got players who fit his style of football. The inroads he’s made in California, Florida, and New Jersey will pay off for years to come, and the Midwest recruiting—especially in-state—should come around in a big way in the 2017 class, too.
Brian: The ridiculously strong out of region plan B late surge. Michigan didn't go foraging for sleeper recruits except in a couple cases. When they felt Jonathan Jones was slipping from their grasp they snatched Uche and Mbem-Bosse out of Florida and Georgia, away from the SEC. When they didn't get Isaac Nauta they grabbed Nate Eubanks, again drinking Florida's milkshake, and Devin Asiasi. Asiasi is in no way a plan B guy, but Michigan was there for him and locked him down.
None of these guys are anywhere near Michigan. The staff did an incredible job to locate and acquire the meaty middle of this class late, in situations that absolutely would not have happened under previous staffs.
Seth: You didn't say other than Gary so WE GOT THE #1 PLAYER IN THE NATION BOO-YAH!
lol Rashan Gary would've done fine at the NFL Combine as a high school juniorhttps://t.co/01tbBnT9P4 pic.twitter.com/uwkkEeoipX
— BOB IN IOWA (@JasonKirkSBN) February 4, 2016
Okay, that and while they could have handled it better, they didn't hold onto anyone they didn't think could play, despite any apparent star ratings.
Adam: Versatility. There are so many guys in this class who can play multiple positions or on both sides of the ball.
BiSB: The athleticism of the wide receiver corps and the secondary. Also the overall Gary-ness of the class.
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Least favorite thing about the class?
Ace: The lack of a true tackle. Michigan can get away with this because Ben Bredeson is basically Mason Cole 2.0, but depth is still thin there, and that puts a lot of pressure on the coaches to land a couple blue-chip tackles in the 2017 class. They’re in good position to do just that, but it’s still something worth monitoring.
Brian: Ace is correct that the lack of a true tackle is the big downer. Aside from that it's got to be not picking up the damn phone. Michigan didn't do anything every school does. OSU had a much much worse example just last year when Jamel Dean got medicaled and then immediately transferred to Auburn. Alabama processed a bunch of guys late. MSU yanked a scholarship from Gavin Cupp this summer.
None of those moved the needle like Erik Swenson because Michigan handled that badly. I think they got stuck in a bad situation with a willfully dense family, but the public relations hit there is nil if this happens over the summer. Similarly, the Weaver situation could have been handled better.
Harbaugh admitted they handled things badly and promised to clean it up while maintaining that you always have to work if you're going to be at Michigan, so this should be less of an issue going forward. I still want them to slow their roll on the early commitments from guys they can go get basically whenever.
BiSB: I would have liked to have seen more bodies on the offensive line and at linebacker. I like the guys they got, but quantity has a quality all its own, and this class lacks quantity.
Harbaugh?
Adam: I'm trying to find something that hasn't already been discussed and having a difficult time. Getting a free safety in this class would have been nice; the two-deep is literally two deep, with only Dymonte Thomas and Josh Metellus at the position.
Seth: PICK UP THE DAMN PHONE!
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Harbaugh?
Brian: hates recruiting.
Adam: Finished pouring the foundation at 2:00, started framing the house at 2:30.
BiSB: You know who had the most subdued reaction to Michigan landing the #1 player in the country? That would be Jim Harbaugh.
Here is the @CoachJim4UM reaction to @RashanGary33 news. Could not comment as NLI hadn't been returned. @miketirico pic.twitter.com/UD9m4ldVJE
— Michigan Football (@umichfootball) February 4, 2016
Seth: Wait'll you see him coach football.
Ace:
February 4th, 2016 at 11:16 AM ^
Uche: "started playing a few years go" -- So he's the next Ziggy Ansah
Hudson: He's like Peppers with a dash of Woodson
Mitchell and Crawford: Best duo of receiver recruits since Toomer and Hayes
McDoom: Best receiver out of Florida since Anthony Carter
Onwenu: Like Greg Skrepenak, but black
Bredeson: Like Greg Skrepenak, but not black
Everybody else: Like Tyrone Wheatley, but carved out of granite
Gary: I heard he was the one that sacked Adam and Eve out the garden
February 4th, 2016 at 11:37 AM ^
I like your style
February 4th, 2016 at 12:24 PM ^
Devin Gil.
Anyone else hear harbaugh mention "mother nature has taken over and he is now 230lbs and will be a linebacker"?
February 4th, 2016 at 1:35 PM ^
Mama nature made milk and steak
February 4th, 2016 at 11:21 AM ^
Is Bredeson a Mason Cole 2.0? Thanks, I'll hang up and listen.
February 4th, 2016 at 11:22 AM ^
I'm guessing you guys will cover this in the upcoming podcast, but I'd like to know your thoughts on the Signing event.
February 4th, 2016 at 1:29 PM ^
February 4th, 2016 at 11:31 AM ^
Geez. A little tough on the Dakotas, huh?
"The Dakotas are the worst most boring awful states to drive through and somebody needs to call them out on this."
Welp, I concur.
February 4th, 2016 at 11:41 AM ^
The Dakotas are the worst and most boring to drive through? Really?
I think Ohio would like to have a word with the panel.
February 4th, 2016 at 1:22 PM ^
I'd hitchhike through a Dakota if it meant I wouldn't have to drive through ohio
February 4th, 2016 at 11:45 AM ^
Sounds like someone has never driven through Nebraska. At least South Dakota has hills and Mount Rushmore. Nebraska has corn. Nebraska is like Iowa sans people.
February 4th, 2016 at 11:48 AM ^
True, the Black Hills, the badlands, some areas around the river are quite pretty, though the eastern part of the state is extraordinarily drab. My money is on Iowa and Nebraska - dullsville.
February 4th, 2016 at 11:58 AM ^
Awful having to drive through both states back to back. It's only interesting when a tornado is bearing down on you.
February 4th, 2016 at 12:24 PM ^
That's not "interesting"... you've crossed the line into "exciting" there!
February 4th, 2016 at 12:25 PM ^
Once.
February 4th, 2016 at 1:13 PM ^
Danny Vermin?
February 4th, 2016 at 12:08 PM ^
Driving North/South through Indiana is fairly awful as well.
February 4th, 2016 at 1:52 PM ^
It's called the "Crossroads of America" for a reason; you drive through it as fast as you can to get to an actual place...somewhere with actual people.
Indiana and Illinois are my least favorite states to drive through.
February 4th, 2016 at 12:47 PM ^
At least Kansas and Nebraska have signs of civilization. Nevada along I-80 is 400 miles of emptiness. The state motto should be "in Nevada no one can hear you scream".
February 4th, 2016 at 1:32 PM ^
I have to vote for Utah. There is a stretch of highway that goes about 100 miles and there is only 1 off-ramp exit to a private road. It's a beautiful state, just a shame no one lives there. (Salt Lake City excepted of course.)
February 4th, 2016 at 3:20 PM ^
I thought it had some of the most beautiful views I've ever seen. Sadly, I spent the entire next day driving through Kansas. The drive from Denver to Topeka is awful without good music or conversation...of course that's minus the F5 twisters.
February 4th, 2016 at 1:37 PM ^
The good news is that even if you drift off, you could drive for miles without hitting anything.
February 4th, 2016 at 1:08 PM ^
Certainly, the west dominates this list as it big and sparsly populated. If you want to celebrate a state which does the most in terms of desolation relative to its size, it is hard to top anything in Maine that is north and west of Bangor. Creepy lands owned by paper and wood concerns. Maine gets an 'A' for effort.
February 4th, 2016 at 1:43 PM ^
How boring is it? Nebraska is so boring the Corn Husker state's palace to corn is in South Dakota.
February 4th, 2016 at 2:08 PM ^
The problem is you have to drive a LONG way where there is nothing but signs for Wall Drug(which is totally worth stopping at by the way).
February 4th, 2016 at 11:45 AM ^
The Dakotas are bleak (minus western South Dakota, which is actually quite beautiful), but I would argue that Kansas and Oklahoma are much worse to drive through.
February 4th, 2016 at 1:36 PM ^
I stopped at a Chinese buffet in Oklahoma that was attached to a gas station. We took one look at the food (or lack thereof) and turned around immediately. I kind of take it for granted that I can get Chinese food anywhere I want. Oklahoma is the exception.
February 4th, 2016 at 2:16 PM ^
Agreed, Kansas in the middle of summer was a nightmare to drive through. Just nothing out there and insanely hot with wind. Miserable.........
February 4th, 2016 at 3:30 PM ^
I drove through Kansas one night in the fall when they were burning back the fields. To summarize:
1) There is no one around, litteraly drove for over 50 miles without seeing any sign of humanity.
2) Smoke was hanging everywhere in the air blocking out any light from stars, moon or that one farm house light on a pole way off in the distance.
3) You could see the glowing burn lines in the fields as you drove through them.
Amazingly, this is not my visual for hell. That would be the fracking fields of south Texas at night.
February 4th, 2016 at 4:43 PM ^
I was stationed at Vance AFB in Enid, OK in the early 2000's teaching pitlot training. Flying at night during burning season is a surreal expereince seeing the straight lines of flame in the fields all over the state. Not a sight to be forgotten anytime soon for sure.
February 4th, 2016 at 12:44 PM ^
Indiana is pretty bad
February 4th, 2016 at 1:46 PM ^
Nebraska and Kansas would argue this point.
February 4th, 2016 at 2:38 PM ^
After traveling many states. I would have to say New Mexico is absolutely brutal. It's like Kansas, but with no vegetation to break up the monotony.
February 4th, 2016 at 4:44 PM ^
If you're in the North Part of the state there are at least mountains in the distance to break up the monotony.
February 4th, 2016 at 3:09 PM ^
supposedly it's 4 1/2 hours to get across the state on i-80. more like 4 1/2 days.
February 4th, 2016 at 3:39 PM ^
is pretty much ass to drive through too.
February 4th, 2016 at 4:36 PM ^
Hey now....
nevermind...I got nuthin...
February 4th, 2016 at 11:39 AM ^
Jango Glackin killed me...
Pure magic.
February 4th, 2016 at 11:41 AM ^
Why is his status in question??
February 4th, 2016 at 11:54 AM ^
He's had injury problems the last few years. I think he had shoulder surgery recently. It's too bad, I was really excited about him, but he can't seem to stay healthy.
February 4th, 2016 at 12:03 PM ^
Injury, I think,
February 4th, 2016 at 12:04 PM ^
February 4th, 2016 at 11:52 AM ^
February 4th, 2016 at 11:54 AM ^
Jango Glackin is also Caucasian, which makes the name even better.
February 4th, 2016 at 11:56 AM ^
Eddie McDoom is the winner of best name. McDoom! McDoom. Just think about it for a minute. McDoom.
February 4th, 2016 at 11:57 AM ^
"Kinda like Signing of the Stars but none of us hung on as a bad middle infielder for way too long"
That is a COLD opening.
February 4th, 2016 at 11:58 AM ^
"Wait'll you see him coach football."
Set your alarms for 212 days, folks.
February 4th, 2016 at 12:00 PM ^
February 4th, 2016 at 12:08 PM ^
First, the only two things that really keep this class from being amazing (and yes, it still really really great) is the lack of another true DT and an OT. I think these are misses that will hurt 2-4 years in down the road.
Second, is Nate Johnson really a slot? I watch him, and he plays like an outside WR. He isn't an underneath merchent in his film. The only thing 'sloty' about him is his height. But Gallon was a pretty darn good outside WR even at 5'8". When we're talking about cover 4 destroying slot receives, my money is on McDoom. Johnson is fast, but McDoom may be a hair faster.
Third, I am irrationally excited about Eubanks. He may be raw when it comes to patch catching, but that guy has Funchess 2.0 written all over him. In his film, when he intercepted a pass at the goalline and basically blazed by everyone else on the field for about a 100 yard return...wow, that was impressive. 6'5" with speed...
And also, what is UM going to do with all those LB/DE types they now have? Kemp said on his Webb interview he is now either an MIKE or a SAM and that Brown is running a true 4-3. I thought Brown ran a Drukin-ish hybrid 3-4/4-3 which featured a lot of those hybrid pass rushers. Kemp reminded me of Tim Williams in a lot of ways. Was hoping to see that, not a MIKE or an LB that isn't on the field 3/4 of the time because UM is in the nickel.
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