Malzahn unhappy with Michigan Satellite Camps
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the 50 mile rule in the SEC is about what would happen to the B1G if the B1G went forward alone with making freshmen ineligible...
this is why conferences should not make such silly rules alone. Academic minimums? sure. recruiting restrictions that nobody else in the country has? hell no.
The SEC doesn't want their top programs devouring the rest of the conference by setting up shop in other states.
They want to remain balanced. Alabama setting up camps in Florida, Georgia and Louisiana makes them better and weakens the rest of the SEC.
The Florida schools get plenty of players from Alabama and the Alabama schools get plenty of players from Florida. Same goes for Georgia and LSU. There's enough talent to go around down there. A few camps wouldn't dramatically change anything.
I disagree. First, there are as many or more SEC schools who could benefit from this. You want balance? Allow Arkansas, Missouri, both MS schools, Tennessee, Kentucky and SC to go into the more fertile states and hold camps.
But even aside from that - the SEC has a lot to gain from even the top schools like Bama and LSU setting up camps in FL and TX. A lot of the kids from those states will be picking non-SEC schools such as FSU, Miami, Texas, etc. It would actually be in the league's best interest to keep as many of those kids in-conference as possible.
Auburn taking a recruit from UF is a wash. Auburn taking a recruit from FSU is a gain. There's not a lot to lose by allowing the SEC schools to do this.
instead of using their bankroll to pay Cam Newton, they'll have to invest in camps. . . .poor Tigers
a participation trophy to make him feel better.
Some schools will follow Michigan's idea, but most won't. They don't have the resources to do what Michigan is doing which is going to be tough on the coaching staff and won't be inexpensive to pull off.
That Malzahn and the other voices that will follow are against Michigan's camps is not unexpected. The south is rich in football talent. Why not go after it. Nothing prevents the SEC schools from running similar camps in Ohio and Michigan except for the SEC's 50 mile rule which rule the conference could easily eliminate.
The poor SEC....let's see them eliminate oversigning.
Michigan isn't the first school to do this, it isn't something new.
Penn State had a camp at Georgia Southern last year and at Stetson. Notre Dame scheduled camps at Georgia Southern as well.
They cried foul last year, they're doing it again. SEC coaches have been trying to get the NCAA to adopt the 50-Mile Rule for the entire country. If they don't, I would expect the SEC to drop it and they'll start moving camps north.
What is new is the approach Michigan is taking in terms of the number of camps.
Nebraska is also expected to have satellite camps this year and in the future. Mike Riley brought this from Oregon State. He discusses that the biggest obstacle is finding schools willing to piss off the local universities. Michigan hired coaches with established relationships in those states and were able to easily find willing participants. While the other schools have gone to small colleges, Michigan has gone to high schools who had the resources to host these camps.
Brilliant move by the Michigan staff.
but think of the benefit to the local schools in learning from coaches the caliber of the Michigan staff...and I would hope that local players get to attend without charge if that is within the rules, which it ought to be if it is part of the contract, i.e. paid for by the school/ set up as a fund raiser.
They won't piss off the local universities. If there is a high school that regularly pumps out top talent, it's not like the home state teams won't recruit that guy simply over a camp his school held. I can't imagine that will have an impact at all.
They know they have the fertile recruiting grounds... So to go up north when they could have much more prospects in their area would be working backward for them.. Again, not saying Midwest don't have talent.. Just not the same level as the southeast... At the end, they will more than likely try get the NCAA to restrict (which will fail)..
I say.. Let's keep going Jim! SEC should accept that this will be the norm
I dont get the resource argument. Like Oklahoma, OSU, MSU, Notre Dame, PSU, Nebraska can't come up with funds for this.
Is it "that expensive" to run a 1 day camp? You basically need to fly out your staff - other schools can put them on a normal plane ... say $500 per ticket for 11 coaches = $5500. You could truck your equipment down in advance - say $10K. ($15K?)
Then you have a facility you rent - you can use a HS field. Some HSs may donate it for the exposure. Then you pay some ancillory fees for hotels food etc. 11 rooms x $125 a room = talking >$1000.
And UM is charging $25 a head so say 200 kids shows up that is $5000 back into your pocket to offset the plane tickets for the coaches.
You guys are making this sound like it is a $500K per camp expense. It sounds like a $25K expense or it might cost worst case $50K a camp. You run 3 camps a summer and its $75K to $150K - not something that is going to break any budget.
If I am missing a massive $200K per camp expense let me know. Maybe something is happening I dont know about.
I expect to see a lot more of these camps now that the genie is out of the bottle. Once there are 10 schools running camps in any state it is going to lose most of its effectiveness on kids - once you go to a Michigan, Oklahoma, OSU, PSU camp all in the same summer it dilutes the effect. So it's something to strike at while the fire is hot because I expect in 3-5 years for there to be a ton of them. Still it is worthwhile because 90% of these kids are not going to fly to Michigan on their own dime on an unofficial so getting face time in their neighborhood is a huge bonus.
When I first saw this headline I thought it said "Malzone unhappy" and felt a pang of worry. I couldn't care much less how Malzahn feels about it :)
Same. First thing I thought was...OMG let's make this kid happy quick!
I'll go the extra mile; Malzahn's unhappiness makes me happy. How many kids did Auburn sign this year, 35? 40?
"More competition means more more choices for the "student-athletes", you know, the people whom college athletics supposedly benefits."
There are lots of things in the world that would benefit "student-athletes." Paying them money. Allowing them unlimited massages. Giving them one-on-one tutoring 24 hours a day. Providing housing for them and their immediate family. Giving them health insurance. So on and so forth.
The world is not stacked against poor student-athletes. They generally have it pretty good, even if they do have to work hard, lift weights, practice their sport, etc. There are lots of people out there who work hard, lift weights, practice something, etc. for less of a reward.
Ultimately, college athletics are about athletes, programs, institutions, entertainment, money, etc., all rolled into one. Saying "It's best for the student-athlete!" is a very slippery slope. Kids have been earning scholarships for years and years based on their play on the field, working hard to get noticed, etc. Generally, a kid who's good enough to play college football will find a way to play college football. And whether we take MAC-level kids from Alabama or whether we get them from Indiana, they're still MAC-level kids who will get a chance at a free education and an opportunity to further their athletic careers. For every kid in the state of Alabama who earns a Michigan scholarship at these camps, there's a kid in Michigan (or Ohio/Indiana/Illinois/etc.) who doesn't earn one.
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We have more money and resources than any of these SEC schools (save Bama...maybe) could dream of. It's time for the CFB world to witness what Michigan can do when we're fully "TURNT UP."
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That's not what "turnt up" means.
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I don't think SEC backlash would be enough to change this. The SEC isn't the only league with pull. In fact, I would argue that the Big Ten has more pull overall with the NCAA than the SEC does. The SEC isn't going anywhere, so pissing off the Big Ten to appease the SEC would be a bad move on the NCAA's part.
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Take your weapon...strike me down. Then your journey to the dark side will be complete!
they are aimed at enemy camps, and they don't have the technology to defeat our space weapons.
bwa-ha-ha-ha.....
Always better to be proactive.
Hey Coach Malzahn, what's YOUR deal?
If they want to influence rule changes, why don't they take a step back and look in the mirror around their own issues, like over signing. The fact is, recruiting has never been a level playing field from conference to conference and unless there is reform to balance things out, everyone is looking within the rules to gain a competitive advantage.
The irony of SEC coaches complaining about recruiting disadvantages, when they're allowed by their conference to oversign, even though it's not in the best interest of student-athletes (see: Elliott Porter).
Good point! although I would say the SEC does more than allow member schools to oversign. They encourage it!
was some sort of attempt at imposing southern politeness on the schools, having each of the schools avoid setting up camp in a another's backyard. But, it seems to me that actual recruiting battles between SEC schools would transcend the constraints of being polite and would render this rule moot. The easy solution is, agreed, just dump the rule. The characterization of the camp as a "Harbaugh satellite camp" or "Michigan satellite camp" is very misleading. A local high school decided that they have a good enough relationships with a college coaching staff (of a non-SEC school) that they want to invite them on campus to participate in a local camp. The expense aspect seems way overrated. Any school could do this. I have to believe that there are some (a few?) schools in Michigan that invite osu coaches to participate in camps, just as there would seem to be some in ohio that invite Michigan coaches. The fact that Harbaugh is able to establish a foothold in Alabama (after only 3 months) is huge, and certainly has received the attention of SEC coaches.
"I think the SEC coaches last year made it clear that we'd like it to be that way throughout the country," Malzahn said. "That was a stance after our last spring meetings and I still feel the same."
You know, it reminds me of being younger and walking past the house of a kid who was grounded and couldn't leave the yard. Did you feel bad for him missing out on the baseball game the rest of you were about to play? Yeah, a bit. Did you play the game in the park he could see from his backyard? Yeah, you did. Was it ultimately his issue? There's that too.
Sorry, Gus - this very strange rule of the SEC's is not anyone else's problem.
I kind of doubt that the SEC will have camps up north if they get rid of the 50 mile rule as lets be honest, the South is where there is a better concentration of skilled athletes. Now they may go to Cali or some parts of OH or PA, but highly doubt in MI.
Will be interesting to see what Ohio does in regards to satellite camps.