Stop the protests
Down vote me however you want. I am angry. You are angry. Nothing we can do today that has not been done or said. Support the players because they need it. When you see them on campus tell them it is going to get better. They need to know that good or bad they are us and we are all one Michigan. They have the talent to be great. They just need the right people in place to bring it out.
If two days after OSU they have not fired the clown show then stop buying tickets. Vote for new regents. March on Schlissel's (sp?) home and demand better coaches and a new AD.
However, just know that Brandon's money grab on football pays for almost the entire athletic budget and any cuts to football tickets and concession prices will come down on (insert marginal athletic program here).
The administration knows. They are not stupid. They will deal with it in 6 games. We have too much invested for them not to deal with it.
Next CC should be Jim Tressel - kidding.
October 7th, 2014 at 2:26 PM ^
I suggest a protest to protest the protest. WHO IS WITH ME!!!!
October 7th, 2014 at 2:42 PM ^
"We're not gonna protest!"
October 7th, 2014 at 2:50 PM ^
That was a very underrated movie. Funny stuff. A lot of stars in that movie before they were stars.
October 7th, 2014 at 4:36 PM ^
I skipped class my junior year to go watch that movie...
jdon
October 7th, 2014 at 3:25 PM ^
This Penis Party has to go HEY HEY HO HO!
October 7th, 2014 at 4:24 PM ^
Protest from Lindsey Breeden on Vimeo.
October 7th, 2014 at 4:56 PM ^
why don't you blow me where the pampers is.
October 7th, 2014 at 6:38 PM ^
October 8th, 2014 at 3:06 AM ^
Now I want to go watch it again too. I miss the 90's.
October 7th, 2014 at 2:48 PM ^
Dave Brandon is a communist, planted in Ann Arbor by Beijing, with the stated goal of causing the downfall of America's great educational institutions. And it's working.
As a protest, let's not wear red on Saturday!
October 7th, 2014 at 2:52 PM ^
Last I checked, communism was already destroying (or has already destroyed) America's top educational institutions.
October 7th, 2014 at 3:22 PM ^
Ah, now we're communists. Good. I assume you are a Nazi. Shall we fight in the streets of 1930s Munich?
October 7th, 2014 at 3:18 PM ^
Avatar thief!
October 7th, 2014 at 5:30 PM ^
Oh man! Haven't seen you on here before. Do we arm-wrestle for it?
October 7th, 2014 at 8:43 PM ^
LOL. It's ok, I can accept looking at more pictures of Brutus getting owned. Good taste sir!
October 8th, 2014 at 10:48 AM ^
Haha same to you. It's one of my favorite moments in college football over the last 5 years (since us Michigan fans have had little to cheer about).
October 7th, 2014 at 3:34 PM ^
Inception- Part protest.
October 8th, 2014 at 9:16 AM ^
THEY TOOK OUR JYYOBS!
October 7th, 2014 at 2:28 PM ^
Coffee for me now, IPA later.
(Agree that supporting the team is Job #1)
October 7th, 2014 at 2:27 PM ^
You say Brandon's money grab for football pays for almost the entire athletic budget. You are absolutely correct. But people are angry. There are those who will give up their season tickets. There are those who will stop donating because they are sick of the gouging. The football revenue is too important to ignore the ongoing issues. It may not take a hit tomorrow, but thinking in sustainable revenue is more important than thinking about milking every dime the fan base has today.
October 7th, 2014 at 3:07 PM ^
We could pay for everything before brandon started and we will be able to cover it after hes gone.
A lot of the new revenue is driven from the Luxury boxes finally being completed.
October 7th, 2014 at 4:05 PM ^
with the football profiteering. If we did a little less gilding, then Michigan could charge a little less for tickets and PSDs (especially less for student tickets), and quit prohibiting items and then charging for them inside the gate.
AS for the rest of the OP's point: the reason people are proposing protests is, the last one took place before the David Brandon condescending nice guy hearts and minds PR campaign. Lest they think it's all cool now, people want to keep the heat on Brandon's ouster.
Why is it important to keep the heat on Brandon's ouster? Timing: if his departure is delayed until the end of the season, or if Brandon doesn't go, whatever occurs with Hoke will be miss-managed just like "The Process" last time.
My view: I am uneasy, and want the players to succeed and develop, and am also worried how any protest is received by the players. However, if the students pull off the kickoff protest on national TV in a night game - and then come in an cheer like crazy for the team - that is a huge, very public sign that cannot be overlooked by the regents and the president when they meet the following week.
October 7th, 2014 at 4:36 PM ^
Damn straight.
(I don't think I've ever used that phrase in my life!)
DB's money-grabbing ways are so very short-sighted, it's hard to believe he still has defenders out there that are unwilling to put a stop to it. Like an untrained child, it's all about instant gratification at the expense of long-term nurturing and long-term goals. I think that a relatively small drop in revenue (but enough that the Regents and Schlissel take notice) is a small price to pay for the long-term health of both the University and the Athletic Department (as opposed to Athletic Director).
October 7th, 2014 at 2:29 PM ^
How does the kickoff boycott relate to any of the things you mentioned? You can boycott the kickoff and still be there the rest of the game to support the players. It will have zero affect on the money generated by ticket sales and concessions.
October 7th, 2014 at 2:55 PM ^
indicates a propensity for not continuing to purchase tickets beyond those already purchased......given that they resorted to giveaways and coke promos to try and fill the stadium....that has to have an impact.
October 7th, 2014 at 2:30 PM ^
Hey everybody, let's start protesting all the protesting!
October 7th, 2014 at 4:29 PM ^
Making Me Thirsty
October 7th, 2014 at 5:12 PM ^
That episode was on yesterday. I laughed like hell.
October 7th, 2014 at 2:32 PM ^
The recruiting class will get worse the longer Michigan waits to fire Hoke and bring in the next guy. So fuck that. Fire them NOW.
October 7th, 2014 at 2:57 PM ^
If recruiting is your concern, you should want Hoke to finish the season. We're not going to hire Hoke's replacement in October. Firing him now means we simply won't have a head coach until December.
October 7th, 2014 at 3:26 PM ^
October 7th, 2014 at 2:32 PM ^
what, exactly, does the boycott do? what -- everyone's gonna file in after the kickoff? what'd that prove?
October 7th, 2014 at 3:02 PM ^
Absolutely nothing, as I have been stating all week.
October 7th, 2014 at 3:25 PM ^
If people give up now, as all these DB puppets are suggesting, then DB will be able to tell President Schlissel and the regents that people were just emotionally overreacting to the Utah loss. He'll be able to tell them it will all blow over soon. He'll be able to survive.
If you're a DB supporter, just own it. Don't pretend you want him gone while you work to save him. That's some Benedict Arnold shit.
October 7th, 2014 at 4:27 PM ^
you are all overreacting to the generally poor performance of the football team. Odds are that even if he cares about your sentiments, he'll buy that explanation.
I was in a demonstration once in a meeting of the regents and President Fleming. It was staged during the "public comment" portion of the meeting. There were thousands of other students outside. The entire building was surrounded by a mob of students. I was just part of the handful that got inside to present issues to those in the meeting. They heard us out and then Fleming said "You are all only hurting your cause". Then public time was over and we were "escorted" out.
That demonstration and many others like it had exactly NO impact on the decisions made by the regents and president. It is my considered belief that the regents and president have very little concern about your opposition to Brandon. I also believe that they will prove very very resistant to firing him simply because a portion of the student body, or even the entire student body, think he's done a bad job. That decision is one that they reserve to themselves, using their own criteria, and will prove reluctant to give any appearance of caving to the students, or anyone else.
I'm no one's puppet. I simply believe that your protest will be completely ineffective in influencing them in removing Brandon and will harm the program and team both short and long term.
October 7th, 2014 at 4:34 PM ^
People protesting by not showing up to games will show them that those same people are willing to not buy tickets (why buy tickets next year if you're not showing up anyway?). They will only ignore that if they're self-destructive or remarkably stupid.
October 7th, 2014 at 7:18 PM ^
There are to many variables. Think about next year's home game schedule. Think about the highly bitched about current home game schedule. Why would they not believe that the vastly more compelling 2015 home game schedule won't drive ticket sales, when everyone has been bitching about how poor this seasons home game schedule is?
The connection is to weak. I understand what you are saying and if by acting in this way you sent a clear message you might make headway. The problem is that the recipients or observers of your behavior will assign their own meaning. You will send them a message, the problem is that you have NO idea what message will be sent, and it does not matter what context you attempt to put around it.
The regents and the president will look at this through their own lens. To change that focus, they would have to believe your nuance. If the team were undefeated with a shot at both the conference championship and the national championship and your message was this is not about winning or losing, you'd have some chance of them believeing it. The problem is, and if you are honest you'll acknowledge, that the vast majority of those who are willing to partcipate are only willing to participate because the team is 2-4. Do you really think they are not going to put that filter on whatever you try to say?
I am NOT defending your and others legitimate critisms of Brandon. I've made some of them myself. If I thought that the protest approach had a snowball's chance in hell of making a difference, I'd wince at the impact on the program and shut up.
I've dealt with people like those on the regents, both in the public and private sector, for a bit more than three decades. I've organized campaigns to unseat some of those with whom I've dealt. In my considered opinion, the protest you contemplate for Saturday is NOT going to have the result for which you hope. Further, it has an excellent chance of strengthening Brandon's position with the very people who will make the firing decision. I say to all of you again, while this protest might make you all feel better, it will not have the effect you hope for and carries a very high cost to the program.
Some of you feel that burning down the program is the only way to "save" it. Do any of you really think folks like the regents would even consider that view?
There are other channels to pursue none of which endanger the long term health of the program.
October 7th, 2014 at 9:54 PM ^
October 7th, 2014 at 11:28 PM ^
Hell, I am no different than any of you, nor would I ever grant myself some privilege. I don't walk among them, but I have had the opportunity to work for them and be around them when they are not on guard.
Their disdain has NOTHING to do with the football program or any sports program or any student function at the university. So please do not let it affect your passion for the university or any of its facets. My point is that for the most part they are simply focused on very different things than us. Truly in my experience it is as if most of them just landed from a distant planet, while there are exceptions, those are frew and far between.
Presented with a goal, I have learned to set emotion aside and, to my best abilities, determine how to move toward that goal. Sometimes that means moving people, sometimes that means betting on a technology.
Many of you have the goal of removing Brandon from office. I can see both pluses and minuses in that, but let us assume that you've retained me to help you accomplish that goal. I'd be required to tell you that I have a vested interest in the success of the football program and as such my view of your best focus might be colored by that fact.
So here is my view of the problem. You don't and probably can't control how the goal and motivations of the protest will be viewed. The season is far from over. Yes you and others would have preferred Harbaugh to Hoke, but no one knows if that was even possible. Yes the protest can be about the team's record, but that comes across as fans angry about losing. That comes across about being angry about the team. Protests are very much a blunt instrument, not a scalpel. So it's very hard to shape the context.
You want to remove Brandon right? Then you need to build support among those who make that decision. The last thing that you want to do is create a bunker mentality among those who you need to infuence. MGoBlog has a wide audience. I suspect that someone here is on a first name basis with a regent, probably more than one. Find one and convince him or her to take your case to the regents. You need an advocate on the inside. Or at least get him or her to get you some private time to make your case. If you can get an advocate among the regents then you can present the nuances necessary to convince them that this is more than outrage driven by a bad record.
The worst possible thing that you can do is further hamper the program's progress. Any thing that remotely looks like that guts any credibility you might seek and focuses them on you as a problem.
Forget this protest. Find an advocate among the regents. Convince that person that your views have merit and you'll be 3/4ths of the way to your goal.
I understand that this is vague, but I have no more inside access than you. Still if you want to succeed, as opposed to simly enjoying venting, then you'll look to influence people not crush them.
October 8th, 2014 at 10:58 AM ^
October 7th, 2014 at 7:28 PM ^
You really think that everyone who questions the effectiveness of the "Protest the kickoff" plan is a Brandon plant? Come on man.
October 7th, 2014 at 2:33 PM ^
I love it when someone tries to tell everyone here how to feel and what to do. With the exception of those who threw Devin Gardner under the bus, I haven't seen anyone here who doesn't support the players.
I want to see protests continue until David Brandon is told to go and turn someone else's business into a national joke.
October 7th, 2014 at 2:38 PM ^
You just tried to tell me to continue protesting!
October 7th, 2014 at 3:06 PM ^
support Hoke, so in demanding that Hoke be fired and doing all this "protesting" and "demanding" and yadayada-blahblahblah you are undermining the players and treating them with complete condescension. It is like you are patting them on the head like "There, there, we know you think you know what you want but you just don't understand, you don't get it. Just let us fans handle this one." I could see it if there were hot seat discussions and pockets of fan unrest here but the reaction of a lot of this fanbase has been childish and probably very repugnant to many recruits.
The "we still support the players" thing is complete BS. These players chose to play for Brady Hoke, they chose to come to school at Michigan and play for these coaches. And they are not the ones complaining, they are the ones continuing to play and try to get better. And the fans/students are saying "You suck, but it is not your fault, so we are not mad at you, we just feel bad for you." What if this is the best they can play right now? What if this is just how good they are? Can you imagine the resentment they must have toward the fans/students right now? To "boycott" the kickoff to games is even worse, because they national story is not going to be "Michigan fans boycott AD," it is going to be "Michigan football is a freakshow and just getting worse by the day." That is not the direction we want to go with this.
Right now the fans/students are treating the team like they have a collective "disability." Either cheer for the team to win and accept the losses, as is, or admit you have bailed on the team, as is.
October 7th, 2014 at 3:15 PM ^
October 7th, 2014 at 3:22 PM ^
will hate Hoke" and then "Players hated Bo" and then "talt." Seriously?
October 7th, 2014 at 4:04 PM ^
man, Bo may have had a team or two that frustrated me, but I don't ever recall thinking a single one of those teams wasn't tough.
October 7th, 2014 at 5:06 PM ^
is directed at David Brandon.
October 7th, 2014 at 3:03 PM ^
The pressure needs to continue in order to get rid of Brandon. As Brian tweeted, they rescheduled the regents candidate forum for tomorrow because of "schedule conflicts". That tells me they were not prepared to deal with the situation. The student boycott might send them the message and maybe there's a firing during the bye week.