Stings like hell to type this: Ohio St still has reasonable chance of reaching CFP
Makes me sick to my stomach, but OSU still has fair chance of making the CFP...
-The UW/OR game is a play-in game for the #3 CFP seed. OSU will jump whichever team loses this game.
-GA is going to mow down Bama, so OSU moves ahead of Bama.
-If Texas loses, OSU moves ahead of Texas.
-Of all the dominos that must fall for The Great Evil, this is the biggest one: FSU must lose in the ACC champ game.
So, after Bama loses, Texas loses and FSU loses, does the CFP put OSU ahead of FSU? OSU certainly would go ahead of Texas, because TX would have 2 losses. Same for Bama. Does the CFP put 11-1 OSU ahead of 12-1 FSU? OSU had a tougher schedule, and it's single loss was certainly a much better loss than FSU could possibly suffer 6 days from now. Also, will the CFP consider that FSU's bad-ass QB is done for the season, when the CFP tries to decide between FSU and OSU for that coveted #4 CFP spot?
If you put a gun to my head, I would guess a 12-1 FSU gets that #4 spot, but I would not be surprised if The Great Evil backs into the CFP again. Always keep in the back of your mind...it's about the $$$. OSU would generate better TV ratings for a semi-final CFP game vs GA than FSU.
#GoBlue
#Bet
November 26th, 2023 at 2:40 PM ^
Not worried about this at all. In the unlikely situation that OSU gets in, we'll beat their ass one more time.
November 26th, 2023 at 2:40 PM ^
OSU is out...stop it.
Also, OSU isn't automatically jumping Washington if they lose. Washington is 12-0 and will have a win over the 12-1 Pac-12 Champs. That's better than any win OSU has.
November 26th, 2023 at 2:42 PM ^
So, you think OSU has a "fair" chance of making it in. You argue (correctly) that UM, the winner of Bama-Georgia, and the winner of OR-Wash all have spots. That leaves one spot.
You then make the assumption that Wash losing to OR would automatically bump OSU ahead of Wash, which seems crazy to me. Nevertheless, for OSU to get in they would need three separate events to happen: Texas losing, FSU losing, and Wash getting bumped below OSU after a loss. Let's say that Wash getting bumped below OSU after a loss to Oregon is a 50-50 proposition. You would then need two other independent events to happen, neither of which are close to being 50-50. Texas is currently -520 to beat Ok State. That means their odds of losing are about 16%. Likewise, FSU is -172 to beat Louisville. That means their odds of losing are about 36%. Multiply those three probabilities together to get to OSU's odds of getting in the CFP under your own scenario, and there is a 2.9% chance.
So, depending on what you mean by "fair," OSU does not have much of a chance at all of getting in. It is "possible" but highly, highly unlikely.
November 26th, 2023 at 3:30 PM ^
Also, don't you think a one-loss, non-champ Georgia would be ahead of a one-loss, non-champ OSU? Further lowering the likelihood.
November 26th, 2023 at 2:43 PM ^
They had a much stronger chance last night, but every team that needed to win won.
Their chances are extremely slim. Alabama, Georgia, Texas, FSU, Oregon, and UW have a chance over OSU.
And, meeting OSU again in a championship game or playoffs is extremely likely in the future.
CFB has significantly changed, and so does arcane rules like no headsets in helmets.
November 26th, 2023 at 3:05 PM ^
If Bama, Texas, Oregon, FSU all win what an absolute cluster fuck it will be.
Seriously give me a sure fire top 4 and throw in OSU just for more fun.
Good god that would be a delicious mess.
1. UM
2. uh FSU?
3. Fuck if know Texas? Oregon? Bama? Georgia?
4. Fuck if I know pt 2 Texas? Oregon? Bama? Georgia? Washington? OSU?
OSU probably 7th? Its funny how the game the last week is a huge hinderance to the loser. You lose to #3 on the road by one score (with PSU and ND wins) in week 3 and you are probably in this playoff.
November 26th, 2023 at 2:44 PM ^
Strongly disagree. I think they have almost no chance.
Georgia and UM are in. I predict both will be 13-0.
11-2 Bama is out.
I think two of 12-1 or 13-0 Oregon, UW, UT, and FSU get in. That cuts OSU out. I don’t think you can put in 11-1 over any 12-1 team period.
November 26th, 2023 at 3:32 PM ^
I wouldn't say Georgia & UM are "in" yet, but they are both ahead of OSU no matter what.
November 26th, 2023 at 2:46 PM ^
Vegas has their odds at 3%
they need Texas (a 12.5 point favorite) to lose
AND
Florida state (a 5 point favorite) to lose
AND
Alabama (a 5 point underdog) to lose
It’s very, VERY unlikely they can back in again
November 26th, 2023 at 2:47 PM ^
Interesting, my method (see above) is almost perfectly aligned with the Vegas model probability...
November 26th, 2023 at 3:39 PM ^
In addition to the above, OSU needs either
- Washington to win to knock Oregon down to 2 losses, OR (Wash is a 7.5 dog when I last checked)
- To be voted in over a fellow one-loss non-champion Washington (I think FSU gets the eject button with a loss)
- If the committee goes with the principle that it shouldn't punish a team playing in a Top 5 CCG while the other sits at home, then it's Wash
- If the committee goes with a mixture of TV Ratings, numerical rankings, and the eye test, then I think it's OSU
November 26th, 2023 at 2:48 PM ^
There is a chance, but I wouldn't describe it as likely or reasonable.
November 26th, 2023 at 2:54 PM ^
I didnt describe it as likely. "Reasonable" means there is more than a zero chance, but it's up to you to define "reasonable" in terms of probability.
November 26th, 2023 at 3:07 PM ^
Hope you arent on my jury anytime soon.
November 26th, 2023 at 3:43 PM ^
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November 26th, 2023 at 5:04 PM ^
I feel like your definition of “reasonable” is different than most everyone else here.
For instance, I would not describe your defense of your post in the face of so many opposing opinions and downvotes as “reasonable”.
November 26th, 2023 at 2:50 PM ^
I will just assume the conference will just ‘mob rule’ there way into letting osu in.
November 26th, 2023 at 2:52 PM ^
Don't care, we won The Game. That's cool if they want to go lose to Georgia again.
November 26th, 2023 at 2:54 PM ^
Can we hold off on these threads until at least the CFP rankings come out? We have no idea just how far Ohio is falling and where other teams are just yet.
November 26th, 2023 at 2:58 PM ^
OSU will fall to 6, 7 or 8.
All 3 seeds are the same regarding the odds of OSU reaching the CFP. Why? Because OSU needs Texas, FSU and Bama to all lose, and no matter if OSU is 6, 7, or 8, if those 3 lose, OSU passes all 3 of them, putting OSU at no worse than #5. Then it depends if the CFP wants 12-1 FSU in the CFP or 11-1 OSU. I am guessing the CFP would take FSU, but I would not bet my house on it.
#GoBlue
November 26th, 2023 at 2:54 PM ^
If all that happens, OSU is in. Feels like not better than about a one in five chance of that.
November 26th, 2023 at 3:46 PM ^
Malarkey is citing Vegas at 3% above.
November 26th, 2023 at 2:55 PM ^
Historically OSU has snuck in, but you’ll have:
1)Michigan
2) Winner of SEC game
3) Winner of PAC 12 game
Then the #4 spot will be available only if Texas AND FSU both lose. Even then, you’ll have some strong arguments for a couple other one-loss teams.
November 26th, 2023 at 3:03 PM ^
You could make a very strong argument for Louisville to jump ahead of OSU if they beat FSU next weekend.
Yes, they do have a bad loss, but there is plenty of precedent for teams with bad losses still making it into the CFP. But they’d have an extra game on their résumé, they’d have a better win than anything OSU has on its résumé, and they’d be a conference champion. As long as it’s not an ugly, disgusting game where they just flat out don’t look good, but back into a win ass-first, there’s a very strong argument to be made for Louisville moving ahead of OSU.
Even if FSU loses, as long as Texas wins, OSU’s goose is cooked. The PAC-12 title is a wash.
November 26th, 2023 at 3:12 PM ^
Might want to check that Louisville resume again.
November 26th, 2023 at 3:46 PM ^
Louisville has two losses; they're out
November 26th, 2023 at 4:06 PM ^
At 10-2 with losses to Pitt and Kentucky? Yeah, no, Mr. Perkis.
November 26th, 2023 at 6:08 PM ^
Yep I’m dumb. I thought they had just one loss.
Downvote away!
November 26th, 2023 at 2:56 PM ^
Really doubt Texas loses. Also a decent chance FSU wins, or Alabama wins. This seems like an unlikely scenario
November 26th, 2023 at 3:44 PM ^
Each on their own isn't that unlikely. Texas nearly lost to Houston. FSU without Travis certainly didn't look unbeatable yesterday, Bama will always put up a fight.
It's not *likely* that all three of them happen, but I've certainly seen a lot weirder things happen in college football.
November 26th, 2023 at 2:59 PM ^
They’re going to face a massive uphill battle, even moreso than last year.
FSU could potentially lose next weekend, but then you’d have to ask the question of whether or not Louisville deserves to move ahead of OSU. And I think they’d have a case for it. Louisville does have a bad loss, but they’d have a better win than anything on OSU’s résumé, they have an extra game, and they’d be a conference champion.
Oklahoma State beating Texas is possible but probably not likely. The Pac-12 title game is a wash, because whoever wins that game will move ahead of OSU.
And then for the SEC title game, I truly have no idea who would win that game. This time yesterday I would’ve said Georgia would’ve clubbed Alabama, but Georgia is so wildly inconsistent this year. All the same, as long as they don’t get blown out by Alabama, I have a hard time seeing OSU move ahead of them, regardless.
November 26th, 2023 at 4:07 PM ^
Louisville ain't getting in with two losses.
November 26th, 2023 at 6:07 PM ^
For some reason I thought they had one loss. Just to Pitt.
November 26th, 2023 at 3:00 PM ^
I can see them get in. It's not the most likely scenario but also far from the least likely scenario. It will take a lot to go their way. Texas needs to lose, FSU needs to lose, Georgia needs to win. And even then it's not a guarantee, but it's hardly impossible.
November 26th, 2023 at 3:01 PM ^
The thing with putting OSU in over FSU, Texas, Bama, and/or Washington/Oregon is that they’d be rewarding osu for not having to play the extra game. The committee often ignores this problem though and just puts in the team with one loss that passes the eye test. In other words, we should be cheering for teams that have looked good to end with 1 loss: Oregon, Alabama, Texas, etc.
November 26th, 2023 at 3:08 PM ^
shuttup
November 26th, 2023 at 3:08 PM ^
How aren’t we 1?
November 26th, 2023 at 3:14 PM ^
Because Georgia beat some shit ass Mizzou team (SEC Maryland)
November 26th, 2023 at 3:18 PM ^
Analytics still love OSU. ESPN FPI still has them number 1. FSU is very beatable if the Florida means anything. Would love to get rematch with them. I wouldn’t put them in without Travis at this point.
November 26th, 2023 at 4:28 PM ^
ESPN FPI isn’t analytics. It’s bullshit
November 26th, 2023 at 3:14 PM ^
I think the important thing to think about is not that Ohio State has a chance to make the CFP (they have a slim one), but this:
If Michigan loses to Iowa, Michigan may not make the playoffs.
Beat Iowa.
November 26th, 2023 at 3:19 PM ^
Correct. Michigan 100% needs to beat Iowa. If Texas, FSU and UW win they'll put them in along with the SEC champ and leave the B1G out entirely.
November 26th, 2023 at 3:49 PM ^
Yes, but in the narrow question of "Is OSU Out?", Michigan is ahead of OSU no matter what.
November 26th, 2023 at 3:17 PM ^
The only thing better than kicking the shit out of The Ohio once a season would be kicking the shit out of The Ohio twice a season.
November 26th, 2023 at 3:18 PM ^
The playoff committee is praying for wins from UGA, UM, UW, and FlaSt. That would make their job very easy.
November 26th, 2023 at 3:43 PM ^
If OR wins the committee would be fine with that. OR would get the #3 seed. CFP would also be fine with Texas winning that gives Texas at a minimum the #4. The disaster for the CFP is if Texas and FSU lose. Then the CFP has to decide between 12-1 non-champ UW, 12-1 non-champ FSU without their star QB, and 11-1 OSU that didnt make their champ game.
In other words, if Texas or FSU wins, Ohio State is out. (Yay!) If Texas and FSU lose, then Ohio State has a chance.
#GoBlue
November 26th, 2023 at 3:18 PM ^
The fuck is this shit?
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November 26th, 2023 at 3:20 PM ^
The OP should, for the benefit of what remains of this discussion, put some rough statistical boundaries on what they consider to be "reasonable", because I think that ship has sailed for OSU and we pushed it off the pier, as it were.
November 26th, 2023 at 3:55 PM ^
https://mgoblog.com/comment/245114937#comment-245114937
https://mgoblog.com/comment/245114913#comment-245114913
https://mgoblog.com/comment/245114942#comment-245114942
In statistics, I think the technical characterization is
(Vegas has it at 3%)