[edit of title] Harbaugh Presser - "An apology will not get the job done in this instance."---Jim Harbaugh
https://twitter.com/Balas_Wolverine/status/1587113921667801089
[Title edited @ 3:30pm to match Jim Harbaugh's actual quote---rob f]
October 31st, 2022 at 12:40 PM ^
From what I understand, if they say “sorry”, we say “fuck off”.
October 31st, 2022 at 12:43 PM ^
Here's the quote, from Michigan Insider:
I'm coming from this from a perspective of being a parent. And these young men are entrusted to me by their families to our program and we have the responsibility to each player to treat them like our own.
And I take that responsibility very seriously. An apology will not get the job done in this instance. There should be serious consequences for the many individuals that are culpable.
I would personally read this as Harbaugh saying that an apology won't be sufficient, rather than an apology won't be accepted.
October 31st, 2022 at 1:46 PM ^
An apology is necessary but insufficient to resolve the problem.
October 31st, 2022 at 12:51 PM ^
He means apologies won't cut it in terms of consequences, goes on to say there needs to be and likely will be criminal consequences.
October 31st, 2022 at 12:41 PM ^
Thanks for the summary. I don’t overly like having to go into Twitter to see stuff.
October 31st, 2022 at 12:49 PM ^
Green's parents have stated that they are pressing charges. It will be interesting to see if they have any issues with UM's security settings.
October 31st, 2022 at 1:10 PM ^
Above tweet by Brandon Brown at Wolverine Wire at si.com with article with inset of footage of Harbaugh taking questions and offering the quote given above.
Don't want to break rules so mod delete guidance appreciated.
October 31st, 2022 at 2:10 PM ^
I want McBurrows on my team.
October 31st, 2022 at 12:24 PM ^
I hope these other angles have been shown to the police.
October 31st, 2022 at 12:31 PM ^
I'm sure they have, I'm betting they have seen a lot, it's only Monday at noon, I would guess Tuesday or Wednesday you will see charges brought up.
October 31st, 2022 at 12:32 PM ^
If Harbaugh has seen them then there isn't any reason to believe they haven't also been shared with local law enforcement. It's pretty clear our program is doing what should be done to get some type of justice for the University's student-athletes.
Here's hoping for more backlash for MSU and their thug athletes.
October 31st, 2022 at 12:41 PM ^
Michigan State requests a special master to review the tapes.
October 31st, 2022 at 1:21 PM ^
Then they will try to fire the special master.
October 31st, 2022 at 1:54 PM ^
I’d wager The fact that we’re not seeing them is because they’re currently in front of the police. If this is at the level of criminal assault, it’s evidence.
October 31st, 2022 at 12:26 PM ^
Good, fuck MSU and that behavior.
October 31st, 2022 at 12:30 PM ^
I think it should be said that the fact that Michigan players did not escalate the situation speaks very well for them and for the program. When you hear that one of the players has been assaulted by multiple opponents, when temperatures are running high, in a tight space when the game has ended... all it would have taken would be for a couple of Michigan players *very understandably* upset and things could have gotten REALLY ugly.
The temptation for a man is to not let this sort of thing happen, to respond and "do something" right away. It's a very strong temptation. Not just for college guys and athletes. For all of us.
The B1G and probably law enforcement absolutely need to bring down the hammer. It is absolutely vital that participants know that, if something like this happens, it will be taken care of properly by authorities. Because otherwise, next time, they'll feel they need to take care of it themselves to keep it from happening.
Good for Harbaugh making this an issue.
October 31st, 2022 at 12:37 PM ^
Well said. The control that team showed in that locker room is amazing. Kudos to the coach (es) that calmed those players down.
October 31st, 2022 at 12:48 PM ^
That could have turned into an all out rumble but our Michigan players have so much discipline and more than just kudos to them for not escalating this.
October 31st, 2022 at 12:50 PM ^
I don't know man. Part of that was just luck. Almost the entire team was still on the field at the time of the incident. And when the team got back to the locker room, they still didn't know exactly what had transpired and were restrained from leaving the locker room.
I'm not sure it happens if our entire team was walking in the tunnel at the same time, but if it had gone down that way, I think there would have been all-out brawl. There is no way our players would not have gotten involved to protect a teammate getting assaulted.
October 31st, 2022 at 1:00 PM ^
May be. But I also don't see those 10 v 1 cowards doing what they did if there were more UM players.
October 31st, 2022 at 1:27 PM ^
I didn't word it well, but that was what I was trying to say. I don't think the assault happens if our entire team was walking back in the tunnel at that time.
October 31st, 2022 at 1:03 PM ^
My guess is if the numbers were more even this does not happen. Complete guess, but probably some frustration from one or two state guys then the mob mentaility took over.
Looks like things have not changed much at ski mask U.
October 31st, 2022 at 12:59 PM ^
Helps that pretty much the entire team had no idea what happened until well after it was over.
October 31st, 2022 at 1:39 PM ^
The matter of setting a precedent for how a terrible situation like will be handled in the future is of utmost importance here. Players and programs must know that if they assault and batter an opposing player for something that happened as part of a game, then they will be criminally punished. Players shouldn't have to fear for their safety because they win a football game. We can call this the "Tuck Rule" going forward.
October 31st, 2022 at 12:35 PM ^
So there's another camera view that the public hasn't seen? I feel like I've seen enough, but I do hope this is a running video of the whole situation.
October 31st, 2022 at 12:40 PM ^
It seems like there would be. My guess is there are a couple of wide shot cameras that have the whole thing.
October 31st, 2022 at 12:53 PM ^
I am pretty sure there is a camera put at the top of the tunnel by TV to capture the players walking out the tunnel to the field. Not sure if it is permanent or placed there by ABC for the broadcast. I don't think Harbaugh makes this strong a statement unless there is something else, but I guess even the existing video is not great.
October 31st, 2022 at 1:20 PM ^
The video we've seen so far have all been from personal cell phones.
I would imagine that ABC (and any other network) would have a protocol for handling footage that captures potentially criminal activity which isn't being broadcast live. I would hope that they've locked it down, provided it to law enforcement, and other interested parties at the respective universities.
They're not going to just post it to twitter or youtube for all the world to see like random recruit/parent/VIP would.
October 31st, 2022 at 2:09 PM ^
I don’t know. If I’m ABC, I’m releasing that footage the second my legal team gives me the okay.
October 31st, 2022 at 3:57 PM ^
I agree, but who's to say when they've been given the okay by their legal team? Nobody here knows and are just being impatient.
October 31st, 2022 at 12:44 PM ^
Good. Hope those recordings don't end up in social media. Let the authorities and B1G take care of it. We don't need players reliving this over and over again.
October 31st, 2022 at 12:51 PM ^
Sooner or later that video has to come out right? . If criminal charges are filed does evidence become matter of public record that can be FOIA'd ?
October 31st, 2022 at 1:02 PM ^
I am not a lawyer but I don't think all assault victim videos are released.
October 31st, 2022 at 1:12 PM ^
videos of assaults and virtually all other crimes (except sex crimes) are released all the time. google NY subway 'shoving onto the tracks' or 'knockdown game' and you'll get a boatload.
October 31st, 2022 at 1:20 PM ^
Thank you. I stand corrected.
October 31st, 2022 at 1:17 PM ^
It depends. Typically FOIA request for video and other evidence under FOIA can be withheld until adjudication. Just depends on the case and who is prosecuting it.
October 31st, 2022 at 12:36 PM ^
If Harbaugh says that, then the Michigan State Police are on the clock... I hope they act without prejudice.
October 31st, 2022 at 1:06 PM ^
Hopefully the Ann Arbor Police and not the Michigan State Police...
October 31st, 2022 at 1:37 PM ^
I would prefer the Michigan State Police in this scenario
October 31st, 2022 at 12:39 PM ^
Loving Harbaughs leadership right now.
October 31st, 2022 at 12:41 PM ^
Small correction: Balas quotes Harbaugh as saying something slightly but importantly different than "apologies won't be accepted."
It's a key difference, IMO. If/when State individuals apologize that's good, won't be rejected. What he is saying is that apologies are not *sufficient.* And I think he's right.
BTW, this is an important point about McBurrows and Green: They were assaulted. Outnumbered. On camera. This is all over the country now. It is physically painful, but it is also, for a man like each of them, very mentally difficult. You feel less human, embarrassed, humiliated when that happens to you, even when the other guys are the bad guys. That's one of the reasons things like this so often escalate to fights. It's easy to say, on the sidelines, "just don't react." But when a guy is actually physically punching you, everything about how we are built wants to react. To show that we are capable.
They both deserve huge cheers next time they appear at Michigan Stadium.
October 31st, 2022 at 1:24 PM ^
You have to assume management kept the rest of the team in check, coz you feel similarly when your <Dom Terreto voice> "Family" is attacked.
There is an old Arab Bedouin saying: I, against my brothers. I and my brothers against my cousins. I my brothers and my cousins against the world. That is jungle law. It is the way of the world when the world is thrown into chaos. It is our job to avert that chaos, to fight against it, to resist the urge to become savage. Because the problem with such law is that if you follow it, you are always fighting against someone.
Nafisa Haji, The Sweetness of Tears
October 31st, 2022 at 1:45 PM ^
I saw the video prior to going to bed on Saturday night.
1. I was unable to fall asleep because it messed me up to see it. I kept thinking of the mental aspect you are mentioning. McBurrows has nothing to be embarrassed about. But, as guys, we can all appreciate how bad he's gotta feel right now.
2. 18 minutes after the video dropped, it had 778 loves on Twitter. I get that the only people upvoting that are MSU fans that are angry about the game outcome. But it broke my heart to see a kid beaten up and know that so many people publicly approved of it.
October 31st, 2022 at 1:54 PM ^
Maybe some of the people that loved the tweet were approving of it being released so the video would see the light of day and there would be consequences. At least I hope so.
October 31st, 2022 at 9:50 PM ^
Upvoting an item on Twitter by “liking” it does not necessarily indicate approval of the content. It can also mean that you think the content is worthwhile and want the algorithms to spread it.
October 31st, 2022 at 12:44 PM ^
Harbaugh should be able to give this assault matter the publicity it needs. He can bring this out in the open. Hopefully BTN will jump on this even more. I'd like to see Jim go on the B1G today show for an on camera interview even if pre-recorded. Let's see if ESPN and the big dogs like Jim Rome gets in on this as well.
Me thinks this assault incident will have legs and it's just the beginning. It should be a looooong week for sparty.
October 31st, 2022 at 12:54 PM ^
The most tribal part of my soul DOES get where you're coming from --- what you propose would be "the reddest of all possible red meat" for a certain portion of the Michigan fanbase.
But on the other hand --- there is video and the police are already investigating. And even if any players are charged (which isn't a certainty yet), they still get their day in court. And those players would deserve that.
That's my opinion on all this --- this shouldn't become a decades-long tribal PR battle between U-M fans and MSU fans about "moral superiority, disrespect, the ethics of running trick plays in an essentially over football game, and all that other assorted stuff." What you propose devolves it into one.
From my POV, a 2005 Clemson-USC moment, even if it's mostly symbolic, is what is needed come 2023. It's just a damn football game, a result that 99.99% of all fans have no control over at all.
October 31st, 2022 at 1:15 PM ^
I mean, I'm normally against running up the score, but MSU needs to be able to reap what it sows. Hell, the trick plays didn't even work, so why whine about them?
I agree with your concern about this becoming a cancer on the fanbase, though, which is why I think they should stop playing entirely.
But I also think that a symbolic handshake and settling it on the field is fine, assuming both teams keep it between the whistles. You can't do the handshake think and then revert to "60 minutes of unnecessary roughness," which, you'll recall, is an actual Pat Narduzzi quote.