California State University Campuses Closed This Fall
Another poster mentioned the possibility of this in the MAC thread and it’s official now. I can’t imaging that UCLA and Cal etc. are going to be able to put a football team on the field if the campus is considered unsafe. With this news I’ll be really surprised if we end up getting a football in the fall.
So the red states are going to have pro and college sports and the blue state people aren’t ever allowed to leave their houses again.
I think you're right Clay Travis. :-)
Yep, red states are going to risk infecting plenty of old people for a game, while blue states put the health of its citizens first.
And you wonder why almost every powerhouse economy state is a blue state, and the largest economic activity in a red state outside of texas is smart people leaving for blue states.
Who the hell would leave the South for NY, NJ, IL, etc? You would have to be an absolute moron.
don't know what political party the AZ gov is, but he's given the green light for pro sports, but no fans in the stands.
Republican
This sure seems premature and political in nature.
Not at all! I’m doing work for a school district right now. You can probably understand how difficult it is, especially with budgets dropping severely, to plan for Fall. Do you plan three completely different scenarios? One for open, one for distance-learning, and one for a hybrid? The planning for just one of these options is daunting.
Most schools are thinking it’s 50-50 as to whether or not they can open safely. Or, 50-50 as to whether or not they’re even allowed to open. But the reality is 50-50 is probably hopeful thinking given what is happening on the science front.
Cal state is the first of many. They will have a head start on delivering a successful plan.
" But the reality is 50-50 is probably hopeful thinking given what is happening on the science front. "
Why are you thinking that "...what is happening on the science front" is cause for pessimism?
Would anyone really miss pac 12 football?
PAC-12 after dark is a great way to kill a few hours when I can’t sleep on weekends.
Pac 12 after dark? Fuck yeah, a lot of people would miss it!
Nick Rolovich has been waiting his whole career for this
Not gonna lie, Pac12 after dark is my favorite game of the weekend (college or pro).
Unlike Michigan games, you can watch it and not have to worry about your team losing, or style points to impress the committee if they are winning big. And whatever Pac12 team loses, it wont put a damper on your weekend.
It comes on at the perfect time - right after getting home from a good night out with the significant other but before bedtime. Since its late as well, you can accomplish all you need well before kickoff.
The conference has all teams nobody can actively hate (well, USC is kinda hateworthy). More than that, ASU is always my #2 team.
Since the conference mostly sucks at D (eh, I could have worded that better) the scores are usually pretty high. If you get WSU playing, you know you are going to see an exciting game...hell, last year's UCLA-WSU game was the best game I have seen in years.
Finally, the crowds are really into it usually. Its late at night, which is right around mid-day for a college student, and the energy is all there.
...if anything, if COVID-19 means no fans this fall, the B1G should consider something similar, such as "B1G Breakfast," which would be a 9-10 AM game where the conference is the only sports on TV.
Pac 12 after dark is great if you're awake for it. You're laying on your sofa at 1 am half asleep watching Wazzu and UCLA go for a 63-60 game in regulation in front of a few thousand fans in LA. It's a wild way to end the day
WHY DONT PEOPLE KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN UC AND CAL STATE SYSTEM???
It's not like its really obvious, like say in the names of the schools. /s
Because not everyone lives there or cares to become familiar with the educational system of any state other than their own.
Hell, I live here and I thought Berkeley was in the cal state system for the longest time because they're called Cal Berkeley, not UC Berkeley.
Also means the Galaxy aren't likely to be playing this summer/fall either as their stadium is on the campus of cal state dominguez hills
Isn't LAFC right on USC's campus?
basically, if it isnt technically part of it its surrounded by it. I think given their recent "issues" the university of spoiled children may be cool sitting this one out
This seems premature . . .
The proposal up for vote is to not work this fall and still get paid by the taxpayers.
You know what is the greatest thing about the COVID 19 pandemic? We've discovered that the country is full of expert epidemiologists and constitutional lawyers. Who knew?
Best thing about social media is also the worst thing. Everyone gets a voice.
And not everyone’s voice should be heard....
Amazing how much this virus is going to destroy (directly and indirectly) everything it touches. CEO of Boeing said on the news last night that it could be 3-5 years before we “get back to normal” with flying. Have to imagine there will be some airlines that go belly up well before then.
As for the school situation, I’m curious if this facilitates a big rise in community college and trade schools. If I’m a parent, I’m not dropping 40-50 grand a year to let my kid take online classes on out of state tuition just so he can say his online classes were University of Michigan online classes. Community college options at this point will be far cheaper to get essentially the same product, and then you can potentially transfer in two years from now once this all has died down.
And then trade schools have several of the same pros. Exponentially cheaper, and they prepare you for a real world job that can pay you some pretty good money 3-5 years after graduation. Guess the only con would be if you went to trade school for something that works best to learn in person, like electrical work or plumbing. But computer science, graphic design, you can learn that remotely just as easily.
Last thing I’m wondering: if some states don’t allow football to be played next year but some states do, will the NCAA allow players to transfer to other schools without penalty so they can play? Some kids in these states have NFL futures, and they don’t want to waste a year of their prime sitting on the sidelines watching other people play when they can be making their own tape for NFL scouts. If so, we could see a college free agency free for all before this is all over.
I would change your first sentence to..."Amazing how much 'the fear of' this virus is going to destroy (directly and indirectly) everything it touches."
Re: transferring to community college: It’s not that simple... In the case of CA, $18 billion dollars is about to be cut from education in the 2020-2021 state budget (fiscal year starts on July 1), from K-12 to community colleges (CCCs) to CSU to UC. The CA State Chancellor’s Office always applies more funding weight to the UC and K-12 systems, and then CSU and the CCCs get the remaining dollars. So the CCCs will be laying off heavily (salaries comprise 80% of costs) and class offerings will be significantly reduced. So, trying to pick up a transferable course at the community college level may be very difficult.
Really, if you're gonna close through December, just be honest about it and say you're going to close indefinitely, maybe permanently. We have about as much of an idea how things will look this fall as we do next fall.
I teach at Cal State University Channel Islands. We haven't been even been allowed to step foot on the campus for awhile now. The writing has been on the wall that there would be no live classes in the fall and now it is official with a couple exceptions.
With Los Angeles County extending its Safer At Home thru July 31 at least, it is looking pretty bad for fall sports out here.
I was so excited when the NFL schedule came out. I was looking for a Tampa Bay game to go to and watch Tom Brady. I don't think that will be able to happen, but I am going to keep hoping.
Gretchen Whitner just announced no filled stadiums in Michigan this fall.
Where are you seeing that?
Cal was an epicenter, unfortunately so was Detroit... UofM being as liberal as it is, will probably shut down the campus. I would also be surprised if there's a college football season... NCAA is a joke as we all know, but I'm sure there will be Universities that bow out of competitive play regardless of what the NCAA says. There's too much liability, travelling, hundreds of athletes in hotels, planes, etc.
If the football season DOES continue, major kudos to those Universities who pull it off without any illness, the logistics behind a regular football season are insane, now with COVID, it may be near impossible.
******EDIT: Just saw the post about filled stadiums in the fall... this is unfortunate, and a gut punch to all Michigan fans. I'm not saying she's wrong, just that the 100,000 attendance for consecutive games will be broken.
Because the threat to college-aged students is so high. But keep fear-mongering...
It’s not just about the body count. This virus is a nasty piece of work that keeps delivering new surprises:
Yeah fuck the employees, the employees families, and the families of the students!
You do realize there's 300 million people in the states. If you advocate killing thousands of 40 somethings, FUCK YOU.
This is getting absolutely stupid now.
FACT: THOSE AGE 24 AND UNDER HAVE A ONE IN ONE MILLION CHANCE OF DYING FROM CV WHICH IS LESS THAN THE SEASONAL FLU FOR THAT AGE GROUP
The “Me too” society we live in means everything related is fucked. Once one university does this every lemming will follow. Fuck Cal State shitholes.
Whatever you think about what governors/states SHOULD be doing, I recognize that public universities are in very difficult limbo here. These institutions very much WANT to be able to offer classes on campuses. But if the actual pandemic conditions (or state regulatory responses) make that impossible, they need resources to make remote operations happen in a robust way. One of the most precious of these resources being TIME.
By making the call now, the CSU system just ended the uncertainty. They can start moving boldly ahead to transition course content, adjust curriculum, invest in necessary technology. They can also commence creative planning now to make as much of the "co-curricular" stuff online as they possibly can.
The decision also allows current and incoming CSU system students to start making plans to move on if they think they can do face-to-face on another campus. Then the CSUs can consider whether they want to revisit their own admissions decisions for new freshman and transfers, to replace those students.
It had to have been a difficult decision to make, but having made the decision a whole bunch of things can go from being "what if we have to" to "How can we do this well."