What is Moe Wagner allowed to do for Franz?
So, I know there are a ton of NCAA rules out there on what players are allowed to receive. However, it struck me that family members are allowed to do different things for their own family. And I realized Moe Wagner is in the NBA all-star game in Chicago. I wondered if that means that Franz could theoretically play Sunday afternoon, take a limo to Detroit Metro, catch a flight to Chicago, go to the all-star game, and fly back either late Sunday or early Monday, all on Moe's dime. Is that possible? Obviously, that'd be a pretty cool perk for Franz (although highly unlikely to happen.)
February 15th, 2020 at 4:25 AM ^
Let him get the lead, then just come back and take it back
February 15th, 2020 at 4:29 AM ^
Mike, your comments are always welcome here
February 15th, 2020 at 6:01 AM ^
Are you volunteering to be the supervisor he'll be needing, Indy Pete?
February 15th, 2020 at 4:44 AM ^
I didn’t know NCAA rules still mattered.
Sincerely,
Kansas
February 15th, 2020 at 4:58 AM ^
Ohio St ButtGuys
North Carolina
Baylor
etc etc
February 15th, 2020 at 7:47 AM ^
LSU, and now apparently South Carolina.
February 15th, 2020 at 8:12 AM ^
Auburn, anyone?
February 15th, 2020 at 11:18 AM ^
Miami (ytm) feels all of your disrepekt
February 15th, 2020 at 4:52 AM ^
Pretty sure there aren’t any family limits for NCAA purposes.
Programs run into trouble when boosters or coaches, directly or indirectly, are assisting the player financially. That can influence a recruit’s decision or give a benefit that other students wouldn’t receive.
A kid with a wealthy family, whether student athlete or not, is going to have the exact advantages no matter where they go. I’d be pretty surprised if the NCAA has the power to step between an athlete and his family, but it is a pretty shitty organization so I wouldn’t rule it out completely.
For those that watched the movie Blind Side with Michael Oher, you will recall that the NCAA gave the kid a lot of grief for his adoptive family “pushing him” to Ole Miss.
February 15th, 2020 at 8:16 AM ^
That was based on whether he was adopted for the purpose of steering him towards Ole Miss, since he wasn't adopted until he was already in high school. Nevertheless, it was a BS move by the NCAA - which is the NCAA's specialty.
February 15th, 2020 at 1:39 PM ^
Agree. Probably not an issue. Otherwise Juwan offering to pay his sons tuition if he comes to play for him at Michigan would also be a violation.
February 15th, 2020 at 4:56 AM ^
If Franz did it: a decade of sanctions.
If Duke did it: another top 3 recruiting class.
February 15th, 2020 at 6:47 AM ^
I think the answer is “anything he wants.” I think Moe could gift Franz a million dollars and a Bentley to drive himself to the All Star game and the NCAA couldn’t do a damn thing.
February 15th, 2020 at 10:51 AM ^
Well, to be fair, "subbing in for him" probably isn't permitted, but I would very much like that.
February 15th, 2020 at 7:36 AM ^
Who knows with the NCAA, but I suspect that family can provide just about anything financially. If Moe wanted to buy two tickets to watch the game and bring Franz, sure....why not?
I do think there would be potential issues with team staff and agents....but doubt the NCAA looks that close. Think of it this way, if Moe had a brother who was 11 years old and brought him to some NBA stuff where he was doing the shootaround before a game, or in the locker room....the NCAA won't care.
February 15th, 2020 at 7:54 AM ^
My Michigan roommate was a manager for the 1989 championship team. He got into coaching and went to Cleveland State with Mike Boyd. I don't know the entire circumstances, but he went to a HS game his brother was playing and had to self report a violation because a recruit was playing for the other team. I don't know the while story because we learned it from my wife's friend. She had taken a job with NCAA compliance. She recognized my roommates name.
February 15th, 2020 at 8:35 AM ^
It is his brother...of course it is legal. But I think it is more likely Mo comes to the game Sunday than it is Mo flies Franz to the game Sunday
February 15th, 2020 at 8:58 AM ^
List of things the NCAA won't allow Moe to do for Franz:
1) register as an agent and sign him to a contract
2) sub in for him during a game
February 15th, 2020 at 9:05 AM ^
Homework.
February 15th, 2020 at 10:47 AM ^
Call it "tutoring."
/s
February 15th, 2020 at 9:11 AM ^
LSU's coach is on tape talking about paying players and no one cares, NCAA looks the other way. Moe is allowed to do whatever he wants for Franz. NCAA isn't going to do anything.
6.7.0February 15th, 2020 at 9:15 AM ^
Moe isn't an all-star... he was in the rising Stars game as part of the world team and played last night.
Your question is still valid.
February 15th, 2020 at 9:16 AM ^
Noogie
Purple nurple
Wet Willy
Indian burn
The Claw
Etc.
February 15th, 2020 at 9:17 AM ^
The NCAA restrictions concerning benefits to student athletes and prospective student athletes do not apply to close family members. Mo can give Franz anything he wants.
February 15th, 2020 at 10:54 AM ^
Hopefully help Franz with his shooting, 3 pt and driving layups....
February 15th, 2020 at 1:28 PM ^
"Dummkopf! Shieß dem Basketball im Scheißkorb!"
(Idiot! Shoot the basketball in the fucking hoop! [or something like that?])
February 15th, 2020 at 11:19 AM ^
As long as the bagel doesn’t have cream cheese, it’s all good.
February 15th, 2020 at 11:38 AM ^
Moe is an All-Star ? Wow, I haven't been really paying attention.
February 15th, 2020 at 1:15 PM ^
No, he's only in the rising stars game because it is US vs the World and...uh, the World needed some more players.
February 15th, 2020 at 12:05 PM ^
LeBron James and OBJ say...what rules?
February 15th, 2020 at 1:18 PM ^
Does Juwan Howard have to avoid speaking to Jace during non-contact periods? Obviously, the NCAA can't limit relationships between immediate family members.
February 15th, 2020 at 2:19 PM ^
I mean, Franz would probably miss a couple of practices and get punished by the team, but I don't think it would violate any NCAA rules. I guess if he wants to be a complete dumbass, then he should go for it.