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The Other Kind Of Loss Comment Count

Brian October 21st, 2019 at 1:32 PM

10/19/2019 – Michigan 21, Penn State 28 – 5-2, 3-2 Big Ten

This was a hard game to have an opinion about. Get down 21-0, and the only possible thoughts are "here we go again" and "when can I turn this off?" Wisconsin 2.0 beckons. That colors most of the rest of the game.

Then Michigan's within a touchdown and Penn State hasn't moved the ball an inch for the whole second half. This is not another road hamblasting in which Michigan gets down big and stays down big. When the dust settles Michigan has in fact outgained Penn State by almost 150 yards; they nearly double Penn State's first down count.

It wasn't that game. It was a different game, and then you have to remember things. Swap the first and second halves and the Michigan fanbase is expending all spittle reserves roaring about the refereeing instead of deleting their Linked In accounts:

I don't know what kind of idiot puts their real name and phone number on an email to a football player telling him to quit, but if you find out please let me know.

Anyway: you have to remember things. Things like Michigan committing back to back offsides penalties to turn second and goal from the five into second and goal from the one. Or calling a timeout before the first play of the game. Or having two guys attempt to return one kickoff and getting clunked inside the 15. Or having an OL wandering 6 yards downfield on a pass. Or dropping several passes, or turfing the ball, etc. There were three different situations where Michigan had fourth and short near midfield and they didn't go.

Penn State's only second half offense came after a third and nine where Lavert Hill wrapped his arms around a guy who hadn't seen a target all day. Immediately after KJ Hamler got one on one coverage he was never supposed to:

“Second half, we didn’t get the call. We didn’t have the right defense. Players didn’t get the call, so we didn’t have a post safety.”

That was the winning touchdown: Michigan shooting itself in the foot. The game didn't have to end with Ronnie Bell dropping a tying touchdown that hit the middle of his chest, but once he did that's the way it had to end. Singling out the one error in a game stacked back to front with them is something only the kind of idiot who puts his real name and phone number on a shitty email would do. 

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This is progress of a sort, to be losing games you should win instead of games you have absolutely no chance of winning. But the season context reinforces how disappointing it's been: this should have been the weird road loss in which you lose your shirt in the first three minutes and spend an incredible amount of time looking for it—it's a SHIRT how do you just lose a SHIRT I SWEAR TO GOD IT WAS JUST HERE did one of the children PUT IT IN THE BLENDER they can't even reach the counter.

It should have been dumb and stupid things conspiring to trip up a team with big ideas. It should have been a harsh reality check that indicates Michigan's not as invincible as they seem.

Instead it's a game where Michigan loses in a blizzard of their own making and the rational post-game take is cautious optimism because that wasn't as bad as we all expected. That was their best performance of the year, the weird road game where you walk into the kitchen, forget why you went there in the first place, and end up making beef stew. You don't even like beef stew. In my world the thing you do with carrots that have been boiled for five hours is throw them out. And then you lose.

What was I taking about?

Right: cautious optimism about what? This loss leaves Michigan pretty much out of the Big Ten title race—the PSU-OSU winner would have to lose two games—and staring down the barrel of SP+ projections in which Michigan is expected to get 7.8 wins before schlepping off to a bowl game in Branson, Missouri.

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DOES NO ONE LEARN ABOUT THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF SIGNIFICANT DIGITS ANYMORE

I've reached the acceptance phase for most of this except for the people who wander into my mentions like so many ducks waiting to get sprayed, complaining that MGoBlog is too negative these days, like I should shoot heroin into my eyeballs and report that everything is sparkly. Well, it ain't.

[After THE JUMP: targets for Nico at least]

AWARDS

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Known Friends And Trusted Agents Of The Week

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-2535ac8789d1b4991f1c37dee-a502-44d9[1]#1 Nico Collins. Six* catches for 86* yards that was really 7 and ~130. No drops. The one he did not catch was way outside of his frame. He did run a route on a bubble screen that was going to go a long way if he got a block.

#2 The whole dang OL. Some issues on the ground, though I think a lot of that goes to the TEs and a couple of missed pulls. Nearly flawless in pass protection. PSU entered the game leading the nation in sacks, got up 21 points early, and Patterson ended up with approximately 45 dropbacks. He got sacked once and was rarely under pressure.

#3 Cam McGrone. Michigan didn't get a ton of pressure in this game; what they did came from McGrone; don't think he was at fault on the Slade run.

Honorable mention: Shea Patterson was last year Shea Patterson and suffered some drops that held his stats down, but an ugly INT was important. Zach Charbonnet broke some tackles and made some of his own yards. Kwity Paye was a force against the run.

KFaTAotW Standings

NOTE: New scoring! HM: 1 point. #3: 3 points. #2: 5 points. #1: 8 points. Split winners awarded points at the sole discretion of a pygmy marmoset named Luke.

14: Josh Uche (#3 MTSU, #3 Army, T2 Rutgers, #2 Illinois), Aidan Hutchinson(#1 Army, HM Rutgers, T1 Iowa, HM Illinois)
11: Jordan Glasgow (HM MTSU, T3 Iowa, #1 Illinois), Zach Charbonnet (#2 MTSU, #2 Army, HM PSU)
10:  Ambry Thomas (#1 MTSU, HM Rutgers, HM Illinois), Shea Patterson(HM MTSU, #1 Rutgers. HM PSU)
9: Nico Collins (HM Rutgers, HM Iowa, #1 PSU)
8: Kwity Paye (T2 Rutgers, T1 Iowa, HM PSU)
7: Cam McGrone(HM Rutgers, T3 Iowa, HM Illinois, #3 PSU)
6: Khaleke Hudson (#2 Iowa, HM Illinois)
5: Whole Dang OL(#2 PSU).
4: Ronnie Bell (HM Army, T3 Rutgers, HM Illinois)
3: Hassan Haskins (#3 Illinois)
2: DPJ (T3 Rutgers), Dax Hill(HM Rutgers, HM Iowa), Josh Metellus (HM Army, HM Iowa), Lavert Hill (HM Army, HM Iowa)
1: Will Hart (HM MTSU), Josh Ross (HM, MTSU), Sean McKeon (HM, MTSU),Brad Hawkins (HM Army), Christian Turner (HM Rutgers), Christian Turner (HM Rutgers), Nick Eubanks (HM Illinois)

Who's Got It Better Than Us(?) Of The Week

Michigan punches in a touchdown to make it 14-21 and hope blossoms.

 

Honorable mention: Ronnie Bell jukes a guy for a 35-yard bubble; Charbonnet gets a TD off that bubble action opening up Bell; all but approximately five PSU snaps.

X4OROG3KOKTIFUY4YU4SNSLDIY_thumb_thu[1]MARCUS HALL EPIC DOUBLE BIRD OF THE WEEK.

This is probably going to be a flat drop on a would-be tying touchdown on fourth down late in the fourth quarter. [opens envelope] yuuuup

Honorable mention: KJ Hamler things. Patterson throws an INT on a screen. DPJ has about 3 drops. The other two PSU snaps that got yards. Michigan calls timeout before the first play. Michigan tries a 58 yard field goal.

OFFENSE

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It made sense and fit together. Michigan got approximately one MAKE PLAYS item that didn't get wiped out by the officials. That was the Ronnie Bell bubble screen on which he dusted a guy and turned a would-be loss into first and goal. Charbonnet broke a couple tackles; 85% of everything else was earned by the play design and the blocking.

Michigan threw a bunch of bubble screens which were largely successful and would have been much more if Nico Collins hadn't run a route instead of block on one bubble that caught a blitz and super soft coverage; that was a 20-30 yard mistake.

Later the run game opened up a bit because Penn State was spending guys on the perimeter. It is not a coincidence that Charbonnet got an easy 12-yard TD on belly when the DE widened out—he was thinking about pursuing the bubble. That kind of conflict for profit has been exceedingly rare this year.

There were a couple of things that were frustrating but on a cursory initial rewatch this was probably the best gameplan of the year, and it didn't seem like Harbaugh hijacking the offense, it seemed like the mix of old and new that was what we wanted this offseason.

Okay but… the shots? While this gameplan was an improvement there was exactly one downfield shot taken, that the Collins completion overturned by a ludicrously bad OPI call. Every time you do this you get a ton of yards. In the game preview I noted that PSU was going to get it to their playmakers more often, and while that wasn't quite right on a per-snap basis, it was on an impact basis. PSU took four deep shots in this game and got completions on three; Michigan took just the one. I'll never understand this.

One of college football's greatest traditions. Ex-quarterbacks on color commentary exclaiming "there's nobody open!" while the skycam calls them a liar. We had a Joel Klatt item earlier this year. The Kirk Herbstreit edition from this game is an all-timer:

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yes this is a beat after the moment a rhythm throw should get out

This turned into the first DPJ drop-type substance where he caught the ball and then the safety punched the ball out the instant he secured it. So, yes, Patterson did a thing that could have been a completion. He had an opportunity to come off Black and throw to the wide open guy, which would not have given the PSU safety an opportunity to do anything but tackle after the catch. Patterson did a good job of rescuing a play that he messed up, and that throw had a lower EV than the programmed one.

In the aftermath of this game there are a lot of folks being rather zealous about defending Patterson; I get the impulse. I don't think it's quite right. He exceeded expectations set by the previous half-season. It should have been enough to get the game to overtime. It's still pretty frustrating to see the above and the FFS KEEP THE BALL read, which happened again in this game, and he's probably going to come in with 5-7 balls marked inaccurate in UFR.

He was better; he was still just okay.

Protection for days. Patterson was sacked once in this game, that by safety Garrett Taylor. On plays like the above screenshot he had forever to make a decision. That was a theme for the day against the team with the most sacks in the country. I thought going in that the tackles would have problems; they did not. Superb performance in pass pro.

On the ground… it was much iffier, oddly. My initial impression is that the tight ends had a terrible day. This will leak into initial OL assessments, naturally. It was pretty rough watching Patterson pull on the first drive and get to the edge only for Micah Parsons to run him down for two yards, and then skip back to see what was going on: Luke Schoonmaker had Parsons sealed and gone, and then he left for a hypothetical downfield block.

After beating up on the junior varsity last week Nick Eubanks had a number of plays where he was blown through by Shaka Toney, who is very much a WDE. (The junior varsity then held Jonathan Taylor to his worst output of the season and won 24-23. Sports!) Sean McKeon was a big miss in this game.

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Charbonnet. Good to see him break some tackles and have another couple of those subtle shifts in tight quarters that are tough for backs his size to do. I wonder if we'll ever find out what the injury issue was early in the season; I wonder if that affected him through this dolorous section of the season.

DEFENSE

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Yardage to points conversion. 283 yards. 28 points. Just like last week against Illinois, Penn State sandwiched a whole bunch of nothin' around four scoring drives. This is truly incredible:

  • Four TD drives: 254 yards.
  • 9 other drives: 62 yards*.

No Penn State drive was longer than six plays. PSU got three first downs on the other nine drives.

*[These include penalty yards and thus don't match the total yard stat cited just above.]

Cost of crossers. I haven't done the deep dive yet but I wonder if Michigan's first stop was related to the Hamler TD later. First stop: drag route from Hamler, Lavert Hill takes a couple steps inside as if he's in man, trailing it, and then he stops and drops on a zone; Hawkins then picks up the crosser and makes an instant tackle on the catch.

Later Hamler blazes by Hawkins on a slot fade for a touchdown. Harbaugh made it sound like that was not necessarily the plan

“They got us on a long one in the first half,” Harbaugh said. “Inside fade route, they had a good call on there. They got KJ (Hamler) on a safety, that was a good play."

…so I wonder if this is a cost of being more of a zone team. Harder to follow Hamler around with a guy like Lavert Hill if you're in a zone.

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The other big plays. The Dotson fade was obviously Thomas getting beat but mostly just a perfect throw; the Slade run was on the DTs and probably Khaleke Hudson for burying himself in the line; and given the Harbaugh quote above the second Hamler TD was Hawkins not playing in the deep middle.

So two of those are on Hawkins, except the first one was just Hawkins getting a horrible matchup he's probably not going to win.

Should have had more Dax. I don't believe that Dax Hill would be barely in the frame on the above photo. He did end up getting beat by Hamler once or twice, but then he tackled, because he was within tackling range. It seems like if there was a game to try the freshman who runs a 4.3 flat it was against the slot guy who also does that.

The other… game parts. Michigan didn't get a ton of pressure but Clifford bailed on a lot of plays that he didn't like, and aside from the Slade run Penn State's ground game went virtually nowhere. This has been PSU's pattern all season: they do nothing for large sections of the game and then hit a series of explosive plays to score. Iowa was the exception, because Iowa.

I do think Michigan's interior OL got a clear win, with the exception of the one play, and that would be a bonafide trend for Carlo Kemp if it bore out in the grading.

SPECIAL TEAMS

Don't try 58 yard field goals when you have a makeable fourth down. That is all.

MISCELLANEOUS

Facial hair of the week. I have no idea who this is but he is 100% PSU's strength coach.

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I hope he has them lifting spherical barbells and calls every beverage a "tonic".

Obligatory ref bitching. Good thing I'm in the acceptance stage, because if I was in anger, hoo boy. Michigan got boned on three massively important plays:

  • Pat Freiermuth pushes off to make Khaleke Hudson's very good coverage bad coverage, scoring a 17 yard TD instead of setting PSU up with 1st and 25 on the 32.
  • John Reid decides to turn into Tarik Black's backpack on a fourth down attempt, well before the ball arrives. No call, and instead of Michigan having a first down at the PSU ~30 they turn the ball over on downs.
  • Whatever the crap that was on the bomb to Collins.

That is easily eight points worth of WTF. Maybe you can expect to only get one of the Freiermuth/Collins calls, but for both of those to go to Penn State is a rogering.

Obligatory fourth down bitching. Michigan did special teams things in the following situations:

  • They punted on 4th and 1 from the PSU 47.
  • They tried a 58-yard field goal on 4th and 6 from the PSU 41.
  • The punted on 4th and 3 from the 50, down 14 with 5 minutes left in the third quarter.

All of those are wrong. You can maybe make a case for the field goal since there were 50 seconds left in the half… maybe. If Nordin is around, which he's not. The 4th and 1 on the opening drive is crazy, especially since you have a punter that puts a lot of punts in the endzone. He duly did, so Penn State got one first down and then Michigan started the next drive on their 15.

Even more absurd: punting on fourth and three down two touchdowns when you're about to have three more possessions the rest of the game.

I don't expect better than Harbaugh at this point. I do have to mention these things.

Frames! One mote of brightness in the darkness of the first half was James Franklin calling timeout with 21 seconds left so he had to punt the ball to DPJ. Could have run it down to three seconds and have a Hail Mary instead of punting to a guy with TDs the past two seasons.

HERE

There are some scenarios where Michigan can get to Indianapolis but they all require winning out in conference and unlikely results elsewhere.

Best and Worst:

Worst: Secret Yards

This diary is going to be focused less on nitty-gritty details of the game and more holistically on Michigan football in 2019. Feel free to skip it. There will be a ton of analysis this week on the X's and O's, and you aren't likely reading this because you expect some fantastic insights on that front. But I do want to focus on two numbers for a minute: 12 and 6.

In the first half of the game, Penn State's average starting field position was their 33; for Michigan it was their own 21. So over the 15 total drives during that first half, Michigan started over a first down deeper in their own end as Penn State. Perhaps not coincidentally, Michigan was down 21-7 at the half. In the second half, Michigan's average starting spot was their own 26, while PSU's was all the way back at their own 20 yard line. And if you're playing at home, Michigan wound up outscoring PSU by 7 (14-7) and were 3 yards and a dropped TD from a tie.

You hear all the time about hidden yards in games, how turnovers, special teams, and the vagaries of the game can obfuscate or accentuate differences in performance. Michigan nearly doubled PSU in first downs (26 to 14), had over 130 yards more in total offense (417 to 283), and dominated time of possession (37:45 to 22:15). But they lost because PSU had a 44-yard run by Ricky Slade, two KJ Hamler mismatches where he torched various safeties for TDs, and a half dozen questionable officiating calls that almost uniformly went to PSU's advantage. And that's basically how you lose a road game against a good team; you give them too many breaks and you let their limited punches land hard.

Where the program's at.

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Maize and Blue Nation:

I don't know how often it happened last night, but it was more than twice. The DJ at Beaver Stadium blasted "Circle of Life" from the Lion King over the PA system. Aside from this being an odd choice, at least IMO...I've never heard another stadium do this and probably for good reason. I know they're the "Nittany Lions", but that kind of lion isn't the same kind of lion as the lion from the Lion King.
It's also a strange song to blast to a football crowd, right? Especially when you can just hit play on Zombie Nation for like the 150th time or whatever and whip the natives into a drunken white-clad frenzy.
Also, Michigan Stadium has Mufasa and Darth Vader doing their intro video...so...yeah!
Anyway, that's how I feel about that.

Hoover Street Rag:

There is a strain of Michigan fan I have seen, most frequently on Twitter, who is having a terrible time fathoming why Michigan isn't Michigan again in Year Five of Harbaugh.  Essentially, a "this is not what I signed up for" sort of breakdown that looks at all of the ways in which Michigan is failing to live up to its historical grandiosity.  I understand that feeling on a primal level, that this is just another false messiah after a decade and a half of wandering in the desert.  Though some may accuse me of setting up a straw man, if you've been on Michigan Twitter, you more than likely have seen someone like this or you have the best curated follow list I've ever seen.
I'm not going to call this a moral victory, because it's not and because Michigan shouldn't do the moral victory thing.  It's a loss.  It's another brick in the narrative about Harbaugh's teams.  It's plenty of evidence to those who want it that Michigan cannot beat teams of equal or superior talent, especially on the road.  Acknowledged.

Comments

MGoBlue96

October 21st, 2019 at 3:02 PM ^

The line of thinking is that PSU defense was gassed and was having difficulty slowing down UM's offense at that point. They felt confident they were going to get, and I agree they should have been confident at that point. I don't think people should be second guessing their last drive, they got the play to tie the game and unfortunately dropped it. I think people are reading too much into it game theory in this case.

jmblue

October 21st, 2019 at 3:12 PM ^

It's an interesting question. I feel like 5 minutes is definitely a gray area.  With a few more minutes I think you kick (if you have a reliable kicker), fewer and you definitely go for it. 

But our placekicking has been very shaky over the past few weeks, to the point that I don't think it was a question.

ak47

October 21st, 2019 at 2:57 PM ^

For the record to implausibly win the big ten we only need OSU to lose once since we can beat them for their second loss. A world in which PSU losses at MSU and OSU and OSU loses at home to Wisconsin and at Michigan isn't actually that far fetched (other than Michigan beating OSU).

MGoBlue96

October 21st, 2019 at 3:05 PM ^

This is correct, next weekend will tell us if there is any reason for hope of Michigan getting back into it. If PSU and OSU both lose somehow that changes the outlook dramatically. I actually see Wisky beating OSU as more unlikely than MSU's defense rising up to give PSU a game. But you know at the end of the day, Big Ten title or not, if they build on what they did well against PSU and win out until OSU and then beat or at least give them a game, I think that would be a good season. 

los barcos

October 21st, 2019 at 4:09 PM ^

I mean.  Illinois just beat Wisconsin.  This is college football - anything is possible. 

OSU has been known to derp away a game, and I am 100% confident PSU has one more loss on their schedule.  Can they get to two losses, who knows?  But to say the season is over when we all have 5 more games to play seems a bit...premature.  

MGoBlue96

October 21st, 2019 at 4:20 PM ^

Agreed if I was betting man I would probally wager PSU finishes with two losses, one to OSU and then one upset among MSU, Minnesota or Indiana. It needs be either to MSU or Indiana though because Minnesota is not a divisional opponent. I think them losing 3 is just too far fetched. All UM can do is just try and build and win out though, and then let the chips fall where they may and hope the college football gods smile on them for once. 

Ron Burgundy

October 21st, 2019 at 3:09 PM ^

Brian, I remember years ago, when Frank Clark was kicked off the team for domestic violence, you wrote a post saying you didn't condone what he did, but you could kind of understand it, and how you, as a grown man, punched someone in an indoor soccer league in the face because he annoyed you. Here is the link: https://mgoblog.com/content/sympathy-devil . That kid's email was obviously incredibly inappropriate, but right now it is going around like fire and people are basically trying to ruin his life over it. I definitely don't "condone" what he said, and I'm not saying people are necessarily overreacting, but it seems like a crazy step to me that someone who basically said he could sympathize with a domestic abuser would dox a 22 year old kid who got drunk and sent a bad email on the front page of his blog (who, admittedly, doxxed himself with his identifying info). I guess people really hate frat bros.

 

EDIT: As was pointed out in the reply comment, Brian made no mention of this kid being a frat bro or entitled or anything like that. I took comments from others on the blog and that I’ve seen online, and clearly combined them to put them in Brian’s mouth - sorry! That is a more general comment to the world of internet commenters. I still find the comparison before the last sentence of my original comment food for thought.

bronxblue

October 21st, 2019 at 3:36 PM ^

Well, as you noted he didn't really "dox" the kid; he did it himself.  Also, this story has been plastered around the internet well before this block was posted; Bell's dad tweeted it some time ago, for one thing.  Your concern about picking on frat people, when no reference was made to his involvement in said society, says a bit more about you than Brian.  But that's for another time.

We have no idea about this kid's mental state when he sent it, and I'm on the side of online vigilante justice being a dangerous method for exacting "revenge" on people.  But we live in a world where if you try to act like a tough guy online and you're stupid about it, you'll likely get hammered for it.  It sucks and a tiny piece of me feels sympathy for him, but that's reality.

Ron Burgundy

October 21st, 2019 at 3:48 PM ^

I generally agree with you, I suppose, but I have 2 small things to say in response. 
 

1) Yes, it was already out there on this board and the internet? However, what did my comment have to do with that? I was talking about Brian’s response, which he posted on the front page. And, also, id like to be clear I don’t think Brian is wrong for doing it, or that I have better morals, or is a huge poo poo face, or that I am some amazing person. It was merely an observation about two things Brian has published. Like I said, I don’t condone or condemn him. 
 

2) I see you were piqued by the frat bro thing. Obviously, Brian did not say anything to that effect, and it was my mistake if I implied that Brian was picking on this kid because he did not like “frat bro’s.” Brian did not say that and I see that is what my comment implied, so I apologize to Brian for that, that is my fault. However, as you can see in the post on the MGoBoard, which you had posted in before coming to this thread and replying to me, it was brought up there and clearly a (partial) source of (some) people’s reaction to this kid. That was fresh in my mind as I wrote a quick reply here at work, and I clearly put words in Brian’s mouth when I was really commenting on all the people calling him a whiny, entitled, frat boy (which may or may not be true - I don’t know the kid). Once again, that is my fault. I do think (some) people’s preconceived notions may be affecting their thoughts and actions on the situation, such as those online trying to get him fired and some of the fervor you can see in the other thread. There is no reason to think Brian did that, so for last time, I apologize to him for saying that there, mea culpa. 
 

Pimple Zoo

October 22nd, 2019 at 3:00 PM ^

Oh gawd, I must have checked out back in 2014 or something thus missing that lamentable Frank Clark piece.  Not exactly Brian's finest hour to say the least although at least there were some (unfortunately minority) voices lashing back against the apologia in the comments. 

 

It's good to see how far we've come on issues like this in even a half decade, but there's still much room for improvement, probably obviously (re: probably any comments section to do with the Osuna/Astros asst GM comments). 

You Only Live Twice

October 21st, 2019 at 3:10 PM ^

So Bad OPI call plus No Defensive PI calls equals... maybe that's why we run the ball instead of throwing it more.

jackw8542

October 21st, 2019 at 3:19 PM ^

Looking forward to your assessment of the defensive holding call on Hill that led to the last PSU TD. The replay on TV made it look like the guy fell into Hill who then grabbed on as both were falling to the ground.

TonyUM52

October 21st, 2019 at 3:26 PM ^

Maybe I was seeing things but on the last play (in regards to penalties) DPJ cut back inside and was held??? I realize he wasn't thrown to, but he was making his way toward the middle of endzone and it looked like the PSU defender was holding his jersey, maybe that's wishful penalty thinking...

CoverZero

October 21st, 2019 at 3:28 PM ^

Lets cut with the BS and call it for what it is:

Harbaugh is a Bad In-Game coach.  This goes back to his days with the 49ers.

Harbaugh's teams at Michigan play sloppy and undisciplined.

This has been going on for almost 5 years.  Poor coaching and lack of attention to details.

RAH

October 21st, 2019 at 9:22 PM ^

Harbaugh has a 10 year coaching history prior to Michigan and his teams were not sloppy and undisciplined. Contrary to your statement, there was no evidence that he was a bad on field coach with 49ers. He took a team that was bad for many years and they immediately started winning. Sloppy, undisciplined teams coached by bad in game coaches don't turn their record around and get to the Super Bowl.

pescadero

October 22nd, 2019 at 4:06 PM ^

 

 

" Contrary to your statement, there was no evidence that he was a bad on field coach with 49ers. "

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1858140-why-greg-romans-play-callin…

" People need to realize this is not a new development either. Situational football has never been his forte. "

" Sporadically burning timeouts—as soon as the first series at times—is no way to conduct an offense. "

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2085859-evaluating-jim-harbaughs-te…

"Biggest Weaknesses - Wasting Timeouts/Play Clock Issues"

 

 

Durham Blue

October 21st, 2019 at 3:35 PM ^

Who else thought for sure Clifford was concussed on the Danna tackle?  He certainly looked like it in the face and his walk off the field didn't look right.  Did he go through any sort of concussion testing?

93Grad

October 21st, 2019 at 3:42 PM ^

Michigan football's transformation into the Detroit Lions is complete.  Poor play calling, bad penalties, stupid mistakes, failure to win big games, failure to win on the road and bitching about the refs.  Rinse and repeat.  

MGoBlue96

October 21st, 2019 at 3:53 PM ^

Have we seen this before though? One of the criticisms wasn't just they couldn't win on the road, but that they flat out laid eggs and got their doors blown off. I am not one for moral victories, but it is a least progress where they played well enough to make it a game that could have gone either way. OSU 2016 is the really the only road game against a top 10 that was like that, the rest have been blowouts. 

username03

October 21st, 2019 at 4:19 PM ^

ND last year was almost an exact carbon copy. They get their doors blown off for the same reason they were down 21 in this one. The moral victory aspect is not very compelling to me. I do appreciate the heart the players showed despite their coaches continually putting them behind the 8 ball though

MGoBlue96

October 21st, 2019 at 4:26 PM ^

I mean the differential is the same, but I don't think the actual games were the same. The offense never got going in the ND game, it did not feel like an even game, it felt like a game that UM was just fortunate to be within 14 points in the fourth. This game was legit evenly played for the most part even when it was 21-0. This is the first time since 2016 where it really looked  they actually belonged on the field in this type of game. At no point did UM outplay ND in that game for any length of time, I would argue they outplayed PSU from the second quarter on in this game. So I don't believe in moral victories, but I do believe they clearly have tangible things to build on. 

RAH

October 21st, 2019 at 10:11 PM ^

Please give us examples of schools that were winning at a 70% rate then fired the coach and hired a new one who took them to the playoffs. 

What coaches do you think we can bring onboard and count on to get the team to the playoffs?

Another problem: Even if you could name one (and you can't) "hot" coaches are not going want to step into a lsituation likely to be a carreer killer. Rich Rod was a very hot coach when he was hired. (Actually, the hottest then.) Harbaugh was probably the hottest coach ever (wanted by every College and Pro team interested in a new coach) when he came to Michigan.  

Odds are extremely high that firing Harbaugh will lead to a very lengthy period of worse and maybe even terrible records.

Biggip

October 22nd, 2019 at 9:52 AM ^

What coaches do you think we can bring onboard and count on to get the team to the playoffs?

The preponderance of the evidence points to the fact that Jim hasn't gotten it done here can most likely can't or won't.

So Jim's ceiling is 10-3 and his floor is 7-5.

I would argue that there are 4-5 coaches that could have a floor that is Jim's ceiling.

Matt Rhule

Brent Venables 

Bob Stoops

Urban Meyer

The schedule Michigan is going to play every year has a minimum of 9 garbage teams and teams with far less talent than Michigan and 3 games with teams that have similar or more talent.

A competent head-coach can go 9-3 in those games every single year.

The 4 I named would have floors of 9-3, which is essentially Jim's ceiling.
 

Another problem: Even if you could name one (and you can't) "hot" coaches are not going want to step into a lsituation likely to be a carreer killer

Well, I just named 4 of them.

As far as them "not wanting to" - that is like, your opinion man.  You (and I for that matter) have no idea what an individual man wants for his career.  But I would bet that 1 of the 4 would take the job if offered the right amount of money.    
 

Odds are extremely high that firing Harbaugh will lead to a very lengthy period of worse and maybe even terrible records.

I wouldn't agree with that at all.  Just look at Georgia, they fired their version of Jim Harbaugh and got better.    The odds are just as likely that firing Jim will lead to a very lengthy period of same or maybe even amazing records.

MGoBlue96

October 21st, 2019 at 4:02 PM ^

I would say because Wisky still has the same problem they always have. That their pass game is not explosive enough so they are liable to have some games where inferior teams stay in it if those teams hold down their running game some like Illiniois did.Time of possession is usually the thing they kill opponents with, but it can also work against you by shortening the game against weaker teams. That and they also committed two turnovers late.

GBBlue

October 21st, 2019 at 3:57 PM ^

Questions: how useful are still photos in showing guys open? Also, are these photos typical of Shea, or are they cherry-picked? If they are typical of Shea, are they typical or atypical of other quarterbacks? Do we need to know what number read the open guys are? If the #1 read is open enough, do quarterbacks ever get to the #2 or #3 reads that might be even more open?

BGrun08

October 21st, 2019 at 4:12 PM ^

I totally disagree that punting on 4th and 1 on the opening drive was a bad idea. The crowd was nuts you and didn't want to give away an early lead. If they don't get that 4th down they are giving Penn State momentum and a short filed. Instead Harbaugh made them earn it. I was pleading at the TV for us to punt and was relieved when we did. If we were at home I would feel differently. 

andrewgr

October 21st, 2019 at 4:37 PM ^

It is unacceptable to field a P5 football team that has such a fragile psyche that giving the other team the ball a the 50-ish yard line is going to materially impact how they play the rest of the game.  And for the record, I don't think Michigan is that fragile.

As for the crowd: at night in a White Out, you have already passed the point of diminishing returns.  It's simply not possible for that crowd to get any lowder or hostile than they already are 5 minutes into the 1st quarter.

Going for it in that situation has a positive expected value in point differential, and it's not a close decision.  Sacrificing points because it might discourage your team if you get the more unlikely outcome is indefensible.

Ecky Pting

October 21st, 2019 at 4:17 PM ^

I heard the PSU band playing "Neck" as well. It's a feeble attempt to co-opt the frenzied chant, "Suck that <insert two-syllable large cat name here> D**k, B***h!" that eventually led LSU to forbid its band from inciting...

Except PSU just chants an uninspired, "A - Oh, Let's Go State. P. S. U."

Sad.

Alumnus93

October 21st, 2019 at 4:49 PM ^

Regarding our special teams punting..... On punting instead of a long field goal, why kick in middle why not angle to outside?   Kicking thru the endzone is the biggest dumbfuk thing ever.  Instead of punting for a net 25yds why not throw a long pass that falls btw the 10 and 5. Two good things can happen vs one bad thing. A catch, a PI..or a int.  But at least they are pinned down deep.   

unWavering

October 21st, 2019 at 4:59 PM ^

I've reached the acceptance phase for most of this except for the people who wander into my mentions like so many ducks waiting to get sprayed, complaining that MGoBlog is too negative these days, like I should shoot heroin into my eyeballs and report that everything is sparkly. Well, it ain't.

Except, no one thinks you should report that 'everything is sparkly.'  It's your unending talk of BPONE bullshit, and your refusal to do your job when things don't go UM's way that are childish and grating.  Especially when you consider that this space was much more positive and unquestioning of the coaching under Rich Rod, which is hilarious in retrospect.

UofM Die Hard …

October 21st, 2019 at 5:08 PM ^

Accept the reality of what this program is and you will live so much better lives....on the weekends at least. 

Don't think we will ever be Bama/Clemson and win everything in-front of us, if you do, well... stop?  We will have those special seasons and they will be very fun, and the floor will be 8 wins on the down years.  

I think we get it done this Saturday, handle business at Maryland...7-2 going against sparty.  

Protect the house

 

Hail! 

 

Swayze Howell Sheen

October 21st, 2019 at 6:08 PM ^

Eh, I don't agree with the general angle of the column.

What I saw: we lost a game, but gained a team. Dollars to donuts this team starts smashing everyone in its path, and heads into the OSU game 10-2 against an undefeated Buckeyes team.

And how appropriate would that be, 50 years after 1969?

 

B-Nut-GoBlue

October 22nd, 2019 at 1:40 AM ^

Not one person had claimed them a great team.  But they are a good team.  As are we...and we truly proved that (finally) Saturday night.  We knew we weren't great (I did anyway, we lack the QB and Dtackles to be great/elite) but it's been questionable this year what the hell we were about.  We showed Saturday night that we may have rediscovered our "good/good enough" quarterback and the Oline and, I know it's hard for some to see, our defense showed it can play pretty damn well (it would just be great for them to eliminate the 2-3 HUGE mistakes they seem to do on every game).

Trip McNeely

October 21st, 2019 at 6:16 PM ^

I listened to the podcast and you missed it but thought you’d remember it in the write up. You forgot about the Patterson slide where he got blasted, possibly even targeted, for ref bitching. Don’t really recall the part of the game it happened but that was bad.

CLord

October 21st, 2019 at 6:41 PM ^

I expected a 38-10 hamblasting from deep in the BPONE but got this instead, and suddenly I am emerging from the BPONE.

MY NEW OPTIMISTIC TAKE:

Michigan may finally be a year or two away from the promised land provided we can continue to recruit at a high level.  

Harbaugh arrived with a pro style approach that was far too much card castle for the college game unless you have a genius QB like Luck under center.  Too much complexity for college kids, and always one missed assigned folding it onto itself. 

After last year's OSU game Harbaugh finally chose to join them if he couldn't beat them, thus ushering in the first modern Michigan offense this year headed by coaches who are not glorified offensive coordinators who ignore defense like RichRod.

This year has been growing pains, but very important growing pains on this front, and also on Don Brown's front of adding zone versatility to his schemes.

This is a transition year, but a transition into the fist truly modern scheme set on offense and defense that can challenge rivals of equal or greater talent, once we get the right players.

Now if JH, Gattis and DB can force focus hard on these schemes, lock in the right recruits and players for them, especially QB, we might be onto something in a couple of years where we can finally challenge Ohio State.