Army Snowflakes - The Offense
September 7th, 2019 at 3:47 PM ^
Holy fucking hell from the fuck of fuck....
What in gods name was that pile of shit???????????
Who the fuck called four straight runs up the middle into the teeth of the defense!?!?
Who the fuck decided to not run any options all damn game and never have the QB pull the ball and run off into the sunset with all the wide open space that was constantly there!?!?
Who the fuck is in charge of coaching god damn fundamentals and holding onto the football!?!?
Holy.....hell.......
If you still think we’re beating Ohio St then I’ve got some high definition footage of Big Foot I can sell you.
September 7th, 2019 at 4:10 PM ^
They called A LOT of options. Shea just continually optioned to hand it to the back who had nowhere to go other than into the pile of defenders in front of him.
Felt like Shea could’ve pretty easily had 100+ on the ground if he keeps it.
September 7th, 2019 at 4:26 PM ^
Which begs the question, were they REALLY options
September 7th, 2019 at 3:47 PM ^
Most of the playcalling made no sense. It was actually bad.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:47 PM ^
Harbaugh just won't take his hand out of the cookie jar. You have all these receivers and you just don't use them and I don't know why. I'm sorry but for this program to get itself back in the upper echelon everything regarding Bo Schembechler has to be disregarded the shit doesn't work anymore. You can't bludgeon somebody with nothing but runs in 2019 because everybody has athletes
September 7th, 2019 at 3:48 PM ^
We still expected to whistle past the graveyard because we won? Is it fair to point out how mediocre Shea is because now we dont have a stat line to disguise his many shortcomings as a player?
Put one of the kids in and see how it works. Sadly spending more time in Harbaugh's system doesnt improve a quarterback's play anyway. Luck being the one exception so congrats on not messing up a generational talent Jim.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:48 PM ^
Sloppy, but I can see how the system could work when it gets rolling.
But for the love of Mike, could we go back under center in short yardage? Thanks.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:48 PM ^
Is it just me, or does it seem like Shea doesn't want to run the ball? I'm far from an expert but a bunch of those handoffs looked like huge gains if he just pulls it and takes off. I'm not trying to down him in any way, it's just an observation.
September 7th, 2019 at 4:01 PM ^
He must have an injury or he would have ran options
September 7th, 2019 at 5:20 PM ^
I agree desertwolvie1. Sure seemed like they were protecting Shea out there. If he's not healthy, he shouldn't be in there. So much of our offense seems dependent on the threat and reality of the QB running.
He also overthrew 2 sure TD's to wide open receivers; sore midsection could be a factor there too.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:48 PM ^
No disguising the truth - Shea is bad. McCaffery must be worse to get one random play.
That was an utter shit show on offense rivaling the lost years.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:50 PM ^
Keep in mind Harbs kept playing JOK over Peters until he absolutely could not. Peters may not have been great for us, but he was clear 4x better.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:48 PM ^
After today, I would not be disappointed if Shea didn't start anymore
September 7th, 2019 at 3:48 PM ^
Looked to me like Jim took over. Running every first down and several times in OT to exactly nobody’s surprise was not #speedinspace
September 7th, 2019 at 3:57 PM ^
I'm astounded by the dumbness of playcalling. They look like they have no plan or strategy. Also the O line can not get a push anymore. I have no idea what is happening. They are wasting NFL WR's yet again.
It looked like a Harbaugh offense run from shotgun.
September 7th, 2019 at 7:39 PM ^
Not just on first downs... our final drive of regulation, game on the line, 6:30 on the clock
- Turner carry
- Charbonnet carry
- Charbonnet carry
- Charbonnet carry
- Charbonnet carry
- Patterson keeper
- Charbonnet carry
- Charbonnet carry, turnover on downs
With the game on the line! WTF
Serious props to Charbonnet though (or Charbonneau or whatever the announcers wanted to call him)
September 7th, 2019 at 3:49 PM ^
Can we stop the snowflakes? So stupid
September 7th, 2019 at 3:49 PM ^
Either The $9 Million dollar man hijacked The O already or Gattis is trash. One or the other. Either way - its the same ole' crud.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:50 PM ^
The offense fucking sucks. Speed in Space is bullshit as we run another play up the middle for 2 yards. QB is either injured (in which case, DON’T PLAY HIM) or he has no idea how to read on read option plays. He also can’t pass despite having some future NFL guys to throw to. How often did we even try to go vertical in this game? Maybe he was injured and couldn’t throw it far. In that case, play McCaffrey!!!
September 7th, 2019 at 3:50 PM ^
The offense as a whole was just an abomination today. So many things went wrong. Fumbles, playcalling, run blocking. I don’t even know what to say when it’s this bad.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:51 PM ^
Gattis deserves some blame, but my god, Shea cannot hit ANYONE deep. Like anyone.
September 7th, 2019 at 4:28 PM ^
Shea had a bad game but, in actuality, he has the best deep ball of any QB in the B10 per PFF and UFR, etc. His problems today were happy feet and touch, then accuracy only really in the second OT.
September 8th, 2019 at 7:06 PM ^
you mean the TD he dropped into the hands on ronnie ball ? What about the TD he dropped in Bell's hands last week too? The first 2 weeks of the year our WR have dropped 3-5 TD passes that SHOULD have been caught.
Shea threw them well enough to be caught each time and our guys just have stone hands period sometimes.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:52 PM ^
I wanted to give Harbaugh and Gattis the benefit of the doubt after MTSU. I thought maybe they were holding out for the first big game vs Army to start using the "Speed in Space" but clearly what we seen today IS our offense and it sucks
Shea needs to be benched. I don't care. Give Dylan McCaffery legitimate reps and he would've made that throw in OT to Nico Collins in the endzone. Shea is just not accurate. He can hardly throw to an Open WR let alone throw a WR open. Start Dcaf from here on out. It wont happen but it should.
Our offensive line is not good. Charbonnet is running into walls and only getting yards due to his size. When Shea isn't missing a WR he is being heavily pressured by the opponent every other play
September 7th, 2019 at 3:53 PM ^
Patterson is an average QB. Really. Poor decision making. Terrible ball safety. Inaccurate passer.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:53 PM ^
It was offensive. I miss Pep?
September 7th, 2019 at 3:54 PM ^
We need a short-yardage power game. No need to be cute. Line up under center and pound a FB or a RB.
September 7th, 2019 at 4:01 PM ^
And what do you know? We have that exact player on our team as we speak. His name is Ben Mason who should certainly be available since he is not a D lineman.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:54 PM ^
I sincerely hope Charbonnet can walk tomorrow. That poor kid had no chance on most of the runs in the second half. But they kept running the same plays. I have to believe Shea was hurt. But if so, you have a quality backup. Use him. If that is, in fact, the new offense, I am sad.
September 8th, 2019 at 12:06 AM ^
Are you sure we have a quality backup? Or is that hype too? How much have we seen him throw - although, it can't be much worse than Patterson. Which begs the question - why didn't the $9 million dollar man play him?
September 7th, 2019 at 3:54 PM ^
What did you think of the offense’s execution? I’m in favor of it.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:55 PM ^
Ok guys, I just finished watching an old game of ours from the 70s on espn classic. Man that offense was bad. When is kickoff for today's game?
September 7th, 2019 at 3:56 PM ^
All I will say is that I am glad the bye week is here, because quite frankly, I really don't want to be watching the Wisconsin game with the goggles that do nothing (shoutout to a better era of The Simpsons there, of course).
September 7th, 2019 at 3:56 PM ^
Ever heard of a QB run, a screen, or a pass to WRs given a ten yard cushion?
September 7th, 2019 at 3:57 PM ^
We are still easy to defend. Just blitz the hell out of us.
Same as it ever was.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:59 PM ^
Actually, I think the o-line did a damn good job of giving Shea time today. He just is not that good.
September 7th, 2019 at 4:22 PM ^
Agreed. I think the OL pass protected quite well. Patterson just pisses his pants back there. Even the sacks were all on Shea. He played horrible.
September 7th, 2019 at 4:00 PM ^
It's all Shea. He's easy to stop. Just blitz and play zone behind it and he panics. IDK how many times I saw him bug out of a decent pocket right before WR's broke open in this game. It was nuts. He's clearly shook/spooked. Not sure if that can be fixed. I was in the roll with Shea camp, but man, I think DCaff needs a shot.
September 7th, 2019 at 4:19 PM ^
Agree. He bust out too quick. His presnap read is non exist. Even defense overload one side he doesn’t know how to adjust. This game they don’t seem to check sideline presnap as often as last game. I think JH use his normal shitty tactics to hide some plays for the next big game. I am in favor with OSU style. Run up the score, train players on the real game. Provide more films to opponents team. Overload their film section.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:57 PM ^
I missed the all-horseshit offense. Glad to see it’s back.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:57 PM ^
Offense today reminded me of the 2012 MSU offense. Beat the RB down until he cannot walk and pray the defense can make a play.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:57 PM ^
Shea doesn’t have his touch and makes mistakes but I don’t believe Dylan is a good passer. Charbonett was worn out in the second half. Way over used
September 7th, 2019 at 3:58 PM ^
I assume they're still sitting on a good chunk of the playbook - particularly QB runs - but I don't think they can afford do much more sitting. I'm optimistic that they can get the fumble and penalty issues cleaned up. I'm more concerned with the OL and with Patterson (who may be hurt).
September 7th, 2019 at 4:01 PM ^
If he’s hurt, there’s actually a solution to that. He’s sitting on the bench.
September 7th, 2019 at 8:38 PM ^
He has to be hurt. As noted above, he was the best deep ball passer in the B10 last year. He didn't suddenly forget how to throw accurately.
September 7th, 2019 at 4:41 PM ^
I don't have any data to back this up, so I'm not going to claim I'm right, but having watched football seriously for about 40 years now, I am firmly of the opinion that teams very rarely improve in penalties as the season goes on.
I agree that ball security (1) has a random component to it that should even out over time, and (2) can be improved with emphasis in practice.
September 7th, 2019 at 4:41 PM ^
Are you serious!? Dude, this IS the offense man.
September 8th, 2019 at 1:17 AM ^
Oh god...oh god no... not the “sitting on plays” guy. Listen my friend we just cant take it right now. Watch replays of the Pepcat and imagine fun variations of that we are saving for OSU. Spend some time on ESPN Classic but we just cant do this right now. Not like this.
September 7th, 2019 at 3:58 PM ^
What’s there to say? Awful.