Realus

April 24th, 2019 at 8:51 AM ^

To even compare the the morality of the U of M and even OSU football programs means that you are either a troll or f'king idiot.

So far there isn't even any evidence the UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN football program or one of its representatives directly or indirectly paid or had knowledge of payments.  Now, I would not be surprised if that was the case.  But there is literally no evidence.  Implications, maybe.  But no evidence.

 

CMHCFB

April 24th, 2019 at 10:19 PM ^

Dude you need to chill out and take a breathe. A cursory glance at my post history would make it clear that I am not a troll.  It would also clue you in, since apparently the username was not clear enough, that I’m an OSU fan.  Finally, if you don’t think that the payment sand other scandal(s) that are going on in college sports make a player getting free tattoos by trading in their own personal memorabilia are quaint by today’s standards, your perspective needs widened.  No need to be a dick, if you can help it.  The comment is related to the recent discussions of players being able to profit from their likeness, or in that case autographs and trinkets, it wasn’t a shot at UM.  Get a grip 

BoCanHam15

April 23rd, 2019 at 3:29 PM ^

Whew!  What a stretch.  For the immediate record the consensus around here was that our Basketball team was,”squeaky clean!”  I’ve never heard that our football program was whatever you stated.  It’s hilarious at this point in American history that the players NOT benefit for their own likeness!

Mgoeffoff

April 23rd, 2019 at 3:34 PM ^

 

What it means: The idea that Michigan's program is squeaky-clean is no longer tenable.

I may be in the minority, but eff being squeaky clean.  I want to win and if other's are paying players UM should too.  I take no pride in being the only one following the rules and getting anywhere from below average to moderately successful results.

Blue Middle

April 23rd, 2019 at 3:43 PM ^

There is not a single squeaky-clean college student, let alone FBS football player, anywhere.

This is a non-story.  He was not recruiting to these schools, he was just trying to bribe players to become clients.  That a few players accepted bribes says nothing about Michigan and everything about 17-23 yo kids.

bronxblue

April 23rd, 2019 at 4:43 PM ^

Are there still people who think Michigan doesn't have a cadre of people who float in it's orbit who do the $100 handshakes and all of the low-level "corruption" that has been baked into NCAA revenue sports for decades?  

AFAIK, this guy wanted to direct kids from certain schools to hire him as a financial advisor when they went pro.  It's not quite boosters handing car keys to kids, but I'm sure Michigan doesn't dig too deep into that world so they can maintain some plausible deniability.  The only thing I'd like to learn more about is how many guys and how much he provided at each school in his list.  

Realus

April 24th, 2019 at 9:04 AM ^

stephenrjking:  I think I know you.  I am fairly confident you are a good guy.  But you go too far in this "good guy" business.  I know because I used to do that a lot (and still do it a little).  You keep wanting to say, we are flawed, so we really aren't any better than anyone else.  In the human world that is utter bullshit. 

From all of the evidence that I have ever seen, UM football is morally way better than OSU (and MSU, and the SEC, and an overwhelming percentage of top football programs in the country).  Now, is UM football perfect?  Hardly.  I am sure there is SOME shadiness, somewhere, in the football program.  It is a human institution, with hundreds of people, after all.

But moral superiority, there is no question about that. Now, moral superiority is just that.  It won't help (much) to win against blatant and relentless cheaters (which most, if not all, of the perennial top 10 college football programs are).  But we are morally superior.  Superior, not perfect.  Of that, I am completely confident.

Awesome strawman:  "The idea that Michigan's program is squeaky-clean is no longer tenable. "

The classic, we are not perfect so we suck (what is the source of your guilt, I wonder).

Next, do you honestly believe that most testimony, given under oath, in exchange for immunity is actually truthful?  If you do, then you are either willfully naive, a blundering idiot, a complete fool, or man with a serious guilt complex.  I am betting on the latter.

The Michigan football program is NOT squeaky clean.  Never has been.  But morally superior, even morally dominant.  Yeah, that it is.

 

MichiganTeacher

April 23rd, 2019 at 3:16 PM ^

People have no idea how much money is in sports. I've seen kids get compensation into the four figures just for playing basketball at the right high school, and some of those weren't even D1 kids. Northwestern is a P5 school. It would be a shock if their players weren't being paid.

Vote_Crisler_1937

April 23rd, 2019 at 8:19 PM ^

he was paying the kids going to the NFL. NU consistently puts kids in the NFL. Trevor Simian, Nick Roach, Corey Wooten, Zach Strief, Napoleon Harris, Louis Castillo, Sherrick Mcmanis all come to mind and that’s just off the top of my head. How many of those guys were 1st round picks? 2? 3? That’s great money for a financial advisor. 

MEZman

April 23rd, 2019 at 3:01 PM ^

Ok, can't say that I'm surprised. Who knows if anyone in the program knew but who cares anyway? How about we just pay the players or let them make money on their likeness and no one will have to clutch their pearls about this stuff anymore?

sleeper

April 23rd, 2019 at 3:03 PM ^

Also, said in 2009 he had an NFL player whose father was an assistant at Penn State, and that he was asked and paid the father of a player $10,000 so the kid would not enter the NFL draft. Any chance the Asst. Coach was Larry Johnson?