FBI Witness in Hoops Scandal Says He Paid M Football Players
Does this mean people on this board will STFU about losing to OSU but winning the moral Olympics? Probably not unfortunately
Speeding is against the law. Murder is against the law.
UM is breaking NCAA rules. Ohio State is breaking NCAA rules.
I'll let you figure it out.
Everybody murders, my dude
April 23rd, 2019 at 11:02 PM ^
...steals from you, steals from me, whatever.
There is no evidence, so far, anyway, that the UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN (or one of its representatives) is paying players directly or even INDIRECTLY. That may well be the case but until there is actual evidence, you are just wrong.
Ohio’s players were already bought by the time Marty Blazer made his rounds through Columbus.
P.S. Larry Johnson has been named as a coach tied to those “paid” players at Penn State... Got any ideas where he's been coaching recently?
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At least they didn’t trade their own personal belongings gifted to them by the university for tattoos, you know, the big crimes....rolling eyes
To even compare the the morality of the U of M and even OSU football programs means that you are either a troll or f'king idiot.
So far there isn't even any evidence the UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN football program or one of its representatives directly or indirectly paid or had knowledge of payments. Now, I would not be surprised if that was the case. But there is literally no evidence. Implications, maybe. But no evidence.
April 24th, 2019 at 10:19 PM ^
Dude you need to chill out and take a breathe. A cursory glance at my post history would make it clear that I am not a troll. It would also clue you in, since apparently the username was not clear enough, that I’m an OSU fan. Finally, if you don’t think that the payment sand other scandal(s) that are going on in college sports make a player getting free tattoos by trading in their own personal memorabilia are quaint by today’s standards, your perspective needs widened. No need to be a dick, if you can help it. The comment is related to the recent discussions of players being able to profit from their likeness, or in that case autographs and trinkets, it wasn’t a shot at UM. Get a grip
That idea should never have been tenable to anyone who lived in South/West Quad in the 90s. This is not Camelot. Our bagmen just aren't as blatant as our friends down south.
Effective* as the south.
I'm really not surprised, but dang our bagmen didn't do their research.
I think this guy was paying players already playing college ball. So while it would mean player ineligibility, it doesn't look like a recruiting thing (yet).
It's 100% a recruiting thing too.
This specific testimony is? The only reference I saw for that is that a Penn State staffer tried to recruit a current player into staying instead of going to the NFL. If you're talking about recruits being paid in general, that's not what I mean.
I wasn't talking about this specific testimony, I feel like were on two different pages here haha.
Okay yeah. I'm not saying there aren't recruiting shenanigans going on. I'm saying this federal testimony doesn't create evidence that we have recruiting shenanigans going on.
What it also means: if we stonewall, the NCAA will do nothing.
April 24th, 2019 at 11:35 AM ^
Yeah, except what if we won't, will self report an self sanction, and thus become the only school to be punished by the NCAA. (Maybe Northwestern will join us for self flagellation.)
Whew! What a stretch. For the immediate record the consensus around here was that our Basketball team was,”squeaky clean!” I’ve never heard that our football program was whatever you stated. It’s hilarious at this point in American history that the players NOT benefit for their own likeness!
What it means: The idea that Michigan's program is squeaky-clean is no longer tenable.
I may be in the minority, but eff being squeaky clean. I want to win and if other's are paying players UM should too. I take no pride in being the only one following the rules and getting anywhere from below average to moderately successful results.
There is not a single squeaky-clean college student, let alone FBS football player, anywhere.
This is a non-story. He was not recruiting to these schools, he was just trying to bribe players to become clients. That a few players accepted bribes says nothing about Michigan and everything about 17-23 yo kids.
Are there still people who think Michigan doesn't have a cadre of people who float in it's orbit who do the $100 handshakes and all of the low-level "corruption" that has been baked into NCAA revenue sports for decades?
AFAIK, this guy wanted to direct kids from certain schools to hire him as a financial advisor when they went pro. It's not quite boosters handing car keys to kids, but I'm sure Michigan doesn't dig too deep into that world so they can maintain some plausible deniability. The only thing I'd like to learn more about is how many guys and how much he provided at each school in his list.
It was never tenable and of course the coaches knew
I have a buddy with a brother-in-law who's been on several P5 staffs over the years explain it to me like this...
Every Top 250-ish recruit who doesn't come from a loaded family is getting something during the process. Every. Single. One.
On the one hand, this is an anecdote I am reading from a basically anonymous message board account who is relating a tale of his buddy's brother-in-law.
On the other hand I absolutely believe it.
What it means: The idea that Michigan's program is squeaky-clean is no longer tenable.
Something we've known for years when the "Bagman" article came out and all but named Michigan as one of those programs infected by bagmen.
April 23rd, 2019 at 10:22 PM ^
How did it do that? Genuine Question, I know Michigan cheats, but what part of the article in your opinion insinuates Michigan?
stephenrjking: I think I know you. I am fairly confident you are a good guy. But you go too far in this "good guy" business. I know because I used to do that a lot (and still do it a little). You keep wanting to say, we are flawed, so we really aren't any better than anyone else. In the human world that is utter bullshit.
From all of the evidence that I have ever seen, UM football is morally way better than OSU (and MSU, and the SEC, and an overwhelming percentage of top football programs in the country). Now, is UM football perfect? Hardly. I am sure there is SOME shadiness, somewhere, in the football program. It is a human institution, with hundreds of people, after all.
But moral superiority, there is no question about that. Now, moral superiority is just that. It won't help (much) to win against blatant and relentless cheaters (which most, if not all, of the perennial top 10 college football programs are). But we are morally superior. Superior, not perfect. Of that, I am completely confident.
Awesome strawman: "The idea that Michigan's program is squeaky-clean is no longer tenable. "
The classic, we are not perfect so we suck (what is the source of your guilt, I wonder).
Next, do you honestly believe that most testimony, given under oath, in exchange for immunity is actually truthful? If you do, then you are either willfully naive, a blundering idiot, a complete fool, or man with a serious guilt complex. I am betting on the latter.
The Michigan football program is NOT squeaky clean. Never has been. But morally superior, even morally dominant. Yeah, that it is.
Lol imagine paying for Northwestern players
Ha! Well, at least that would be consistent with the Northwestern Players' move to unionize in 2016.
People have no idea how much money is in sports. I've seen kids get compensation into the four figures just for playing basketball at the right high school, and some of those weren't even D1 kids. Northwestern is a P5 school. It would be a shock if their players weren't being paid.
Private schools in Minnesota recruit and arrange things like tuition payment for hockey here in Minnesota. Even the schools that don't contend for state titles every year.
A former student where I teach (D III) was a low level D1 basketball recruit (recruited by Fairfield, etc). He told me he’d seen 5 figure bets paid off in NYC pickup games he’d played in during high school.
he was paying the kids going to the NFL. NU consistently puts kids in the NFL. Trevor Simian, Nick Roach, Corey Wooten, Zach Strief, Napoleon Harris, Louis Castillo, Sherrick Mcmanis all come to mind and that’s just off the top of my head. How many of those guys were 1st round picks? 2? 3? That’s great money for a financial advisor.
Would anybody honestly be surprised if this were true?
He's under oath. So no
Because no one lies under oath? I have practiced law for a long time, and believe me people lie under oath and in court every day.
Literally nobody asked him about these specific things though. Seems pretty weird thing to lie about
What would he have to gain by saying these specific things under oath?
Yes, lawyers lie in court every single day. Everyone knows that.
Yeah like totally, dewd
Are you actually that naive or are you so wrapped up in your argument?
Northwestern? Lol
Meh. Hope they made a little extra money off their talents.
M ND NW,,, pretty good list.
Ok, can't say that I'm surprised. Who knows if anyone in the program knew but who cares anyway? How about we just pay the players or let them make money on their likeness and no one will have to clutch their pearls about this stuff anymore?
Happy to vacate those seasons! (Except 2011, I suppose.)
Also, said in 2009 he had an NFL player whose father was an assistant at Penn State, and that he was asked and paid the father of a player $10,000 so the kid would not enter the NFL draft. Any chance the Asst. Coach was Larry Johnson?
That player is identifiable as Aaron Maybin due to his stated draft position.