Carlos Hyde suspended first 3 games of season.
Seriously dude? This is an example of a player not even commiting a crime and still being suspended for a significant part of the season, because he slapped someone who tried to hit him first. If Hoke had done this we would all be applauding him.
If you're cool with a guy, let alone a football player, taking a swing at a woman, then there's really no need for further discussion since we'll never agree
The video was inconclusive on whether Hyde actually physically harmed the "victim." The bouncer said Hyde pretty much just "smushed" her face to push her away rather than a full-forced slap.
I don't remember reading that from any bouncer. Can you provide a source? It sure didn't look like that to me.
http://www.nbc4i.com/story/22929377/surveillance-video-shows-encounter-…
he took a swing at a "girl". Look at the video!
BTW, why does gender matter, if you are in such a punnishing mood? Would it be cool if Hyde "took a swing at a guy"? Does that deserve a lesser suspension? If so, why?
Also, she's not a "girl", she's a woman. Get it right 1960's chauvinist.
Why are you trying to change the argument and bring chauvinism into the conversation? Have you run out of legitimate ways to defend your point of view? Also, the term girl is equivalent to the term guy in the world in which I live.
He's bringing "chauvinism" into the conversation because if you look at this whole thread, look how many times its mentioned that he hit a WOMAN.
The attitude that a man can never ever ever hit a woman even if she hits first is tied up in a lot of sexist assumptions: women can't control themselves and can't be responsible for starting a fight, women can never physically harm a man, only men are capable of violence. It's "respect" for women, but respect based on the assumption that they are the weaker sex.
The reality is that this would be a non-incident if two women or two men were involved. (Though I do think a short suspension for getting into a fight would be appropriate if Hyde had done the same thing to another man - he's a representative of his University and should be held to a high standard) Each party hit once (Hyde didn't swing first) and walked away with no apparent serious injuries. So I think I discussion of our gender-based assumptions is warranted here.
I'll probably get negged for this but I don't think I'd agree with kicking him off the team for hitting a woman who struck him first (I know, he should have walked away but people make misakes). I think suspension is enough for an attack such as this: he was provoked, he didn't keep hitting her, and it wasn't planned. No need to practically ruin someone's career (they don't always transfer and become stars) over a heat of the moment offense like this, just makes sure he learns that he should never strike a woman.
I'll happily neg you.
""he didn't keep hitting her"
You don't learn never to strike a woman.
Just don't.
Certainly neither of us are condoning hitting women, but there's a difference between beating the hell out of a woman (Chris Brown) and losing your cool for a split second (Hyde). Hyde lost his cool and walked away, I think a suspension is good enough here
which Meyer may, could alter one's perception of the appropriate punishment quite a bit. We don't know the circumstances.
Unfortunately, some people aren't raised the way we were raised, and DO have to be taught that (not Hyde specifically, I don't know him or his parents). I wasn't arguing for whether or not he should be punished, I actually mentioned that he should be suspended. I was just responding to someone who was suggesting that he be kicked off the team and voicing my opinion that it is too harsh a punishment. Sorry I was blunt with my wording and I hate violence against women (any violence really) but that's just my opinion. You are free to have your own.
The lesson here really is never hit anybody period. It doesn't matter if it's a man or a woman, hitting anybody is cosidered an assault.
winner winner chicken dinner!
Especially when you are a 200+ lb football player and your "opponent" is a teenage girl.
Those guys were watching and pointing at the girls but didnot have the balls to talk to them. So they had their boy who they think can't hear no because his status on the team go up for them. Sure he said something really appropriate to her for her to act that way. So I wouldn't say she started it. They weren't messing with the group of guys, the guys were hounding them.
asked her to dance, and when she said no, he probably covered his tracks in front of his friends in the loud club and replied "NO, I said...you look fat in those pants!"
I don't care if she hit him first, you don't ever raise your hand to a woman unless you're fearing for your life.
It doesn't matter if he actually connected or not. He took a swing that's what matters.
Are you serious go16? He hit a girl in the face. It's a complete embarassment, and he should have been suspended longer.
That said, I expected even less than this from Meyer.
He was a person of interest because witnesses said he punched the victim. We have an "anonymous source close to the investigation" who says Hyde got punched (self edit 1: I should say "hit") and did not punch the victim, and another source, a reporter, who went on the record saying she saw the video and Hyde clearly punched (self edit 2: Again, I should really say "hit") the victim.
Just because the victim decided not to press charges doesn't mean he didn't hit her. He should still be punished for even being around this scenario and it sounds like he is.
And the only significant part of Ohio's schedule is The Game. The rest would be a cakewalk even if they weren't title contenders.
If one of our players swung at a woman regardless, he'd be off the team, and hopefully out of Ann Arbor
This is an example of a player not even commiting a crime
If you watched the video, he clocked her good. She was staggered and then her girlfriend came over to comfort her and check out her injury. She was obviously distraught. This was more than just a shove-off.
She got coerced hard into not pressing charges . . . by the ever OSU-compliant Columbus police. A lot of domestic violence does not get reported as a crime, but that does not mean a crime was not comitted.
But he didn't initiate the violence (she swung first), so it's probably not a crime (or both parties committed a crime).
Do you really want a justice system where women can commit physical violence on a man and if he hits back, he (and only he) goes to jail? Yeah, that's really going to be good for domestic violence.
Women are people too. That means they can be guilty. They can be violent and they can be abusers. If you don't think so, you may think you're "respecting" women, but you're actually being really condescending.
In this particular incident, Hyde had the opportunity to leave after her swing, and we don't know what he said that provoked her to swing at him (probably nothing good). So morally I think he's culpable, but legally I don't think he should be. In that light, a short suspension seems entirely appropriate.
bad behavior is bad behavior ...the ONLY reason it wasnt a crime was the victim didnt want to press charges...something that happens ALOT in college towns...Im sure she received ALOT of pressure from locals to NOT press charges to PROTECT their precious buckeyes....
I like how the person out of frame feels it necessary to point out the interesting part of the action here.
Love this picture. It's breath-takingly awesome in it's devestating power. It is to be saved for the nuclear threshold. It's always the instant end to any Michigan-Ohio State argument.
That's a pretty reasonable penalty in today's moral equations. Johnny Manziel was in the middle of an actual bar brawl and got zero games suspension. We could list various Michigan indiscretions over the years that garnered similar or lighter penalties compared to the offense.
People can talk about treatment of women and Carlos Hyde being generally a dirtbag and I don't discount it, but if you're gonna get on that soapbox that he should be suspended for half the year or a year for hitting a woman, then every player who ever drove drunk should also face a similar suspension, for something that's just as despicable and more dangerous.
You're kidding yourself if you ever actually expected more of a penalty, and I think most would have expected less.
"then every player who ever drove drunk should also face a similar suspension, for something that's just as despicable and more dangerous."
When you say "ever drove drunk" do you mean over the legal limt of perhaps drinking 2.5 beers in one hour and driving down the street to a friends is as dispicable as intentionally and publicly slapping a woman across the face?
Or do you mean "stinking drunk" and then driving? Or both equally?
I see where you're going with this and trying to justify that it's ok if someone "just drove to a friend's place" after having 2.5 beers in an hour, so I'll just say the act by everyone who ever drove drunk enough that their driving skills were significantly impaired is as despicable (IMO) as intentionally and publicly slapping a woman, and there is no argument whatsoever that it's not significantly more dangerous. The despicableness is subjective based on societal norms and we could disagree, but the dangerousness is objective fact.
Despite the fact our society is more non-chalant about drunk driving (simply due to the frequency), drunk driving kills a fuckload of people, and slapping women, while despicable and evidence of terrible moral character, does not.
I merely meant to show there is a big difference between something being "despicable" and being "dangerous".
Credit where it's due. Kid wasn't charged with anything after the video got out, and I wouldn't have expected him to get suspended at all.
If Meyer didn't suspend him, none of the OSU players would listen to the other 4 things on his wall of "things everyone( except OSU players) knows you shouldn't do".
Why do people keep saying he wasn't charged as if it means something? His actions are the same whether he's charged or not.
That's the thing, we don't know what his actions were besides a bit of grainy surveillance footage with no context. Once he wasn't charged, Meyer could have done what a lot of coaches would do and reinstated him immediately. Instead, he suspended him for three games, which seems like a reasonable punishment. I'm not saying Hyde is a saint, I'm saying Meyer handled it well.
Hyde swings his arm at her face. Afterwards, she holds her face. Then she says she was hit in the face. Her friends said she was hit in the face. The girl to the right of her immediately puts both hands over her mouth, as if to say "holy shit, that girl just got hit in the face."
I think she was hit in the face.
And Meyer could have done whatever he wanted regardless of whether Hyde was charged or not. There is zero connection between the legal result and his punishment as part of a football team.
I'm not disagreeing with you on Hyde. I'm not here to judge whether he's a good person or a bad person, should or shouldn't be going to jail, or anything like that. All I'm saying that Meyer had a "legitimate" out as far as reinstating Hyde immediately, one that many coaches have used, and is instead taking steps to discipline him.
You are correct: She was hit in the face. And hard enough to shake up her and everyone else around her. There is no speculation here. There is no "out" for Meyer
mmmmmmmwwwaaahhhaaaaaaa !!!! I couldn't even keep a straight face on that one...
In order to keep the OSU threads to a minimum, interesting news regarding interacting with recruits. Demetrius Knox was interacting with members of the 11 warriors board and it's a secondary violation for OSU.
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2013/07/24155/important-notice-regarding-…
More support of this sites constant reminder: DON'T TWEET RECRUITS
I figured it was a violation anyway when I saw that he posted there, but knew it wouldn't be anything major. Amazing how so many there are so surprised by the fact that it's a violation, just like they don't see how selling gold pants for cash is a competitive advantage.