Steve Wiltfong criticizes Michigan FB recruiting

Submitted by Wolverine Devotee on January 8th, 2020 at 6:40 PM

From Allen Trieu's podcast Notorious B1G also transcribed on the 247 board.

“They haven’t filled (Patridge's) role, and we’ll see who they fill it with because Michigan is one of those schools where assistant coach recruiters are incredibly important because they don’t recruit in the same traditional way that almost every other program that we cover does,” Wiltfong said. “There’s not recruiting meetings. There’s just a lot on the assistant coaches’ plates to go out in their territories or in their position rooms and find guys they think are good enough to help Michigan win championships.

“Chris Partridge was a guy that wasn’t afraid to go into SEC country with his winged helmet logo on his golf shirt and go toe-to-toe for big-time guys and try to get them to come to Michigan. He had some big wins. He also had some close losses. I mean, Willie Gay was a guy who had Michigan in his top two. Otis Reese is a guy who had Michigan in his top two. He really got after it and worked.”

In general, Wiltfong didn’t feel like the Wolverines were recruiting at a championship level with Partridge. He felt Ohio State and Penn State made it more of a priority, so losing Partridge could only widen that gap.

“I just don’t think, collectively, this staff is recruiting at a level to win a national championship across the board,” Wiltfong said. “It’s a blow losing a guy in Partridge, who I feel like is one of your best recruiters when the emphasis on recruiting at Michigan isn’t the same as it is at Ohio State and Penn State right now. We’re starting to see it on the field.”

NJWolverine

January 8th, 2020 at 11:35 PM ^

https://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/paper-trail/2008/12/30/athletes-show-huge-gaps-in-sat-scores

The article is a little dated (from 2008).  But note that since then, UM has DENIED information to other outlets that have tried to study the issue (including a comprehensive study done by CNN in 2014; https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2014/01/us/college-scores/index.html)

Let's get off of this academic high horse.  We're no different in terms of ADMISSIONS.  We may be different in terms of making the players play school. 

Don

January 9th, 2020 at 12:34 AM ^

Former Wisconsin coach Gary Anderson admitted after he quit the Badgers that a main reason was that Wisconsin's admissions standards were too strict, preventing him from recruiting players that he wanted.

If you think that Michigan's admissions don't impose constraints on Harbaugh that are at least as restrictive as Wisconsin's are, you're fooling yourself.

cobra14

January 9th, 2020 at 7:59 AM ^

This is just so wrong on so many levels. If a kid "Isn't getting in" its because Jim is deciding not to purse them because he thinks they can't handle the academic side. The program wants the kid and he mets the NCAA standards he is getting in. 

 

Michigan arrogance alive and well with this academic BS. 

Pelini's Cat

January 9th, 2020 at 12:34 AM ^

I think a general critique of the Harbaugh era can be categorized as "disorganized". Now, mind you that even with this disorganization he's probably a top 20 college coach in the country (low bar). A couple of points to back this up:

Offseason preparation. This is the third straight year that M to varying degrees changed their offense midseason. 17 - move to power run after the MSU game, 18 - move to qb run game after the non-con schedule, 19 - finally start running speed in space at penn state. Now, at least Harbaugh HAS the ability to adapt, which is more than you can say for a lot of coaches who will stick with a dogshit offense because "thats just our system" *cough* Dantonio *cough*. It would be great if M came into 2020 with a cohesive plan but one thing you can say for Harbaugh is he will not sit back and accept mediocrity. 

Clock management. Harbaugh teams consistently feel like they do not know what they want to do in late game/end of half situations. This sometimes works out and sometimes doesn't but when I compare how they operate to my favorite NFL team the Eagles, who have a very forward thinking and aggressive head coach in Doug Pederson, it is night and day. 

Roster management/recruiting. OT, DT, CB, etc. It always feels like Michigan is just missing an entire position group because they forgot to recruit it. This is Michigan. There is at least serviceable hs player at every position in every class that would kill to play here. The idea that you would just skip recruiting that position for a year and risk huge roster gaps is unthinkable. If they're not good enough, then the guy you recruit next year will pass them and you don't have to worry about it. But you need SOMEBODY to put out there that can at least look the part and do the basics. Nolan Ulizio cannot be your answer. I also think it is fair to say that M is not recruiting to its full potential. I don't think we've seen their hat in the ring for as many top 100 type guys as we should. i mean a lot of these guys are going to schools that shouldn't hold a stick to Michigan, you can't tell me they're all unatainalbe. Now the upside is that Harbaugh has made pretty good use of the transfer portal when he's had the opportunity. 

Sorry for the long post. 

b618

January 9th, 2020 at 12:55 AM ^

2016-2019, there are only 4 schools that recruited substantially better than Michigan:  Alabama, anOSU, Georgia, and LSU.

Michigan has recruited about the same as Clemson and Oklahoma.

Thus, obviously, very good.  To say otherwise is a product of ignorance or an agenda.

Avg recruiting ranking 2016-2019 (using 247's own recruiting rankings):

Alabama 2
Georgia 3
Ohio State 5.5
LSU 7.25
USC 9.5
Texas 9.5
Florida State 9.75
Auburn 10.25
Oklahoma 10.5
Michigan 10.75
Clemson 11.0

Building_7_Free_Fall

January 9th, 2020 at 2:13 AM ^

I think Michigan is recruiting just fine given the present-day realities on the field and in the context of the 4-team playoff system.

2016 was a very good recruiting class for us, followed by an even-better 2017.  Unfortunately, the two classes before that, with 30 recruits total, doomed us to playing too many freshmen and sophomores in 2017.  The 8-5 record that year set us back and the 2018 class suffered as a result.

The 2019 class was a nice rebound following another 10-3 season.  We were even about to yank Zach Harrison out of Columbus fucking Ohio until the fiasco in Columbus that year.

The 2020 class is not so star-studded, but a very good class.  About the best I'd expect given 9-4 and the never-ending humiliation on national television.

The bottom line is that we won't start recruiting like OSU, Clemson, and the like until we start beating OSU, Clemson, and the like (at least occasionally).  It appears that the advent of the playoff system has upped the premium on the half-dozen or so teams that hover around that top-4.  We need to get ourselves in that mix.

Given all that, I think we are recruiting just fine right now.

So, okay, how do we enter the virtuous cycle where wins on the recruiting trail lead to wins on the football field lead to more wins on the recruiting trail, and so on? 

I think we are just about there right now.  We could have beaten Alabama last week.  We had the players to do so.  Our recruiting has been good enough to give us a shot.  The problem is not mainly about recruiting I don't think, but continuing poor execution on the football field in big games.  The fact that some of our 4- and 5-star players don't take over in these games is an issue.  Maybe it would help to have Charles Woodson and other '97 players around more.  It's impossible to know what's wrong with our team, but it seems at least partly psychological to me.  If it is, I'm confident that Harbaugh and staff will figure it out.

Recall that Clemson was in our very shoes just a few years back.  Their recruiting was not better than our recruiting is today.  What got them on the path to being elite was what they did on the field.  Clemson should be our role model (and Ole Miss should NOT be our role model).  Our breakthrough will happen on the field, not on the recruiting trail.

BlueinLansing

January 9th, 2020 at 2:30 AM ^

The difference is partly the smaller number of elite Detroit PSL recruits, throw in downturns in places like Flint and Saginaw.  Michigan used to clean up there and they used to be some of the top ranked players in the Midwest.  Mix in their near being shutout of Ohio for 20 years and the recruiting game is vastly different from Bo, Mo's and Lloyd's days.

JFW

January 9th, 2020 at 6:44 AM ^

How does he know they don’t have recruiting meetings?

The last four classes have been ranked at eight, five, 22, and back to eight. So three years of top 10 recruiting. And already we have the fire brands coming out saying Harbaugh is trash and back in the old days we were world beaters despite seldom hitting double digit win seasons.

Yes, let’s burn it all down for another Chance at a lightning boy like Rich Rod.

I am so tired of the bill of goods being sold that we are just one coaching search away from national dominance and that national champion guaranteed coaches (Who surely would do better than what we have ) are tripping over themselves to come here.

We have a good thing, we can build on this, burning it down just invites disaster.

thelomasbrowns

January 9th, 2020 at 8:38 AM ^

I'm not going to lie, it's concerning, but everything else I've seen tells a different story.  Dudek's approach makes sense to me, and we're getting highly ranked classes that seem like good fits.  Are we competing with OSU? No, but as others here have noted, I think we have different objectives.

Mongo

January 9th, 2020 at 9:27 AM ^

Sign of the times.  The NFL is big money.  If you were a kid destined for the NFL and you went on two official visits, here is what you would see:

  • Ann Arbor - classic central campus, tour of classrooms and libraries, great football practice facility and highly rated academic degree
  • Columbus - limited tour of campus and no classrooms or libraries, 100% football focused as athletes take on-line classes with tutor "help", football trophies everywhere, mediocre academic degree

If you are a top 100 recruit wanting a "football degree" for the NFL, which college would you attend for the required 3 years ?   Degree for a sure-thing high draft pick is rarely relevant and working hard at school takes too much effort and time away from the goal.   

energyblue1

January 9th, 2020 at 9:08 AM ^

Is the criticism warranted and accurate?  Saying they aren't recruiting to win a national title, eh maybe or not well enough across the board with that strong focus.  Jmo, All talent evaluation should go through the coordinators and head coach from the position coach.  A specific list of in state, regional and national for each position group and a Big Board Roster / Recruiting to see what the roster will be with recruiting, transfers, early nfl departures, 5th year.. Just sounds like a mess but might be way over stated too.

Saban has a list of physical attributes at each position group he wants the staff to recruit.  Height, Physique, Strength, Athleticism, Speed, Explosion et cetera for what he believes will be the top performance at every position fitting what he wants to do.  I am surprised that Harbaugh has not been very similar and it does show.  Dline recruiting is odd at best still.  We are counting on every position coach to go get their position players.  But as you change coaches that doesn't work imo.  Some are better recruiters than others and some are better talent evaluators. 

 

Jimmyisgod

January 9th, 2020 at 9:32 AM ^

IMO there are somewhere between 75 and 100 truly elite recruits each season.  Doesn't mean the 250th ranked player can't out perform the 50th player from time to time, just that all 4 stars are not equal IMO.

I think most Michigan fans(95% of all fan bases too) are conditioned to get excited about 4 stars, that 4th star becomes like a badge of acceptability unfortunately.  And that's all well and good, but I think it skews our view somewhat.  The interior of our O Line this year was simply dominant, they pushed both OSU and Alabama players around the field.  Those 3 players left to right ranked 39th, 47th, and 87th overall in the composite as recruits and they were all 3rd or 4th year players.  That was an elite trio as recruits and an elite trio as upperclassmen starting together.  Say Rumler ends up a center and we start Filliaga, Rumler, and Steuber inside this season, we'll be starting the 112th, 174th, and 365th ranked recruits in 2020.  We started 3 four stars inside in 2019, we'll be starting 3 four stars inside in 2020.  2020 could be a solid unit yes, but it's never likely to be close to as dominant as the trio of Bredenson, Ruiz, and Onwenu were.

Again, there are exceptions, but in general the 39th ranked player has a higher floor and a higher ceiling than the 174th ranked player almost every season.  So that's how we differ from Ohio State in recruiting, maybe both teams are starting 10 4 stars or better on offense, but maybe our 10 4 stars go like this on the composite; 180th, 265th, 106th, 50th, 300th, 312th, 185th  etc etc Where as Ohio State's go 25th, 45th, 69th, 8th, 15th, 75th, 125th, 33rd, 60th, 80th etc etc.  Sure, we both have a lot of 4 stars, but we're lining up maybe a couple of the truly elite recruits where as they're lining up 8 or 9 every play. 

And it goes the same way on both sides of the ball. Ohio State will start 3 5 stars in 2020 on the defensive line and possibly 3 Five stars on the offensive line alone.  We will have 2 Five stars on the whole roster.  Those peak elite recruits are the difference and it goes for all the 4 stars too, Ohio State's 4 stars are more likely to be top 75 guys.

GET OFF YOUR H…

January 9th, 2020 at 9:42 AM ^

Let me sum up half of your comments (notice I said half, not all as there are plenty of you that think logically):

UM fans:  "We can't recruit at the OSU level because of bagmen, cheating, and our academic standards."

Everyone else:  "Well then please explain Juwan Howard bringing in top basketball recruits.  Explain more than 50% of your players being signed up as a "general studies" major.  Explain how you are offering the same kids that OSU and ever other top end program is yet you have these insane academic standards"

UM fans:  "Juwan is just special, it's definitely not bagmen, cheating, or lowering our academic standards.  General Studies is a tough major at UM because UM is just so much better.  We offer the recruits everyone else does but that doesn't mean we would accept them if they picked us."

You know what?  You are right though.  After typing this I just realized that college football players go to UM to get an education, not to play football.  Carry on.

pdgoblue25

January 9th, 2020 at 10:39 AM ^

I just wonder if Harbaugh has the energy for recruiting anymore.  I think one overlooked fact is the guy has young kids.  I have a 3 month old, I'm 22 years younger than Harbaugh and I'm exhausted.

LarryDarrell

January 9th, 2020 at 1:57 PM ^

I have..  many things to say.

#1) I have ZERO interest in Ever rooting for, being, or “accepting” being a 2nd-tier program.  I want us to be in the playoffs most yrs.  I want us to win the Big Ten most yrs.  I want us to beat Ohio St. most yrs.  I want us to be a better program than Ohio St.  I want us to be the best program there is in the North.  And I want to see us win some national championships before I die.  This is not Michigan State.  We do not accept 2nd best at anything.  We are not happy with 2nd best at anything.  We are not happy with blowout losses, to anyone, Ever.  We are not happy with 9-4 Fking seasons, when 8 of our wins are against garbage teams.

If you disagree with anything I said there ^..  you’re a fking loser.  Bo would be embarrassed to have you as a fan.  And you should go to East Lansing.

#2) Michigan is the 3rd richest football program in the country (behind Texas and Texas A&M).  Michigan has the 2nd biggest fanbase in the entire country (behind Ohio St.).  Michigan has the biggest alumni base in the country.  Michigan has the biggest stadium in the country.  Michigan has tv/media exposure, facilities, history and tradition that is absolutely 2nd to none.  Michigan offers a degree that is virtually 2nd to none amongst major football powers.  Michigan has the Exact same academic entrance standards as Clemson/Ohio St./Bama/LSU/UGA/whoever.  There is absolutely Zero reason that we shouldn’t be able to field an elite program here.

#3) 95% of the scholarship players on the football team would have absolutely zero chance of getting into this school on their academic merits alone.  So just shut up.  If a guy wants to be a normal student, he’s got 3/4 semesters a yr to bust his ass and be one.  If a guy just wants to take online general studies courses for 3 yrs before going pro — while helping to make millions for the university — give him that option, too.  These guys are here because of football, for football.  No ifs ands or buts about it.  1 or 2 semesters a yr they can stand to treat it like a business, like professionals; like Ohio St. does.

#4) Harbaugh’s done.  His 1st yr, he recruited like a mad man.  Rashan Gary.  Climbing David Long’s tree.  Sleeping over with Quinn Nordin.  Satellite camps. Innovative recruiting hires — Partridge, Bush Sr, the guy from Alabama.  The next yr he was very involved in Najee Harris’ recruitment, and in Chuck Filiaga’s late.  Ever since...   crickets.  When’s the last time you read a story about Harbaugh even so much as calling a recruit personally?  Let alone visit?  The guy’s enthusiasm for this sport is gone.  He’s become the outworked (the grossly outworked).  He wants to stay home and enjoy time with his young family.  He doesn’t run the offense.  He doesn’t run the defense.  He doesn’t recruit, or even organize/get involved with recruiting..  apparently.  He doesn’t coach special teams.  He just walks around like 2000’s Joe Paterno doing nothing and cashing checks.  He treats this like an emeritus position.  He’s half retired.

#5) Recruiting (on field talent) is 95% of success in college football.  I want our head coach to be The absolute best recruiter in the nation.  We’ve got money for days..  you can hire great coordinators (every yr if they leave).  You can hire 8 stud recruiters as assistant coaches (and just replace them as they leave).

Jeff Scott (newly named HC at USF, current Co-OC at Clemson) has recruited better than anyone in the country the past 5 yrs.  I wouldn’t mind seeing someone like him, or hell—Fleck, in the head chair.  LSU Co-OC Joe Brady would be the first assistant I threw $2+ mil a yr at from there.