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Matt EM February 2nd, 2022 at 3:07 PM

After three strong performances, particularly on the defensive end, the Wolverines came crashing down after a strong first half in East Lansing. A lackluster win over Nebraska actually resulted in Michigan dropping 10 spots on Kenpom while the NET rankings now place Michigan at 53.

 

THREE UP

Hunter Dickinson, good at the basketball. Single game +/- may be the most fraudulent metric in basketball, but Dickinson's +18 in 23 minutes of action certainly came with a heavy dose of truth syrup. I don't think it's exaggeration to say that Michigan may have lost by 20 points but for his efforts.

To put his recent play in context, during conference play Hunter is averaging 20.6 points, 7.6 rebounds. 2.8 assists and 1.9 blocks per game while shooting a tad under 60% from the floor and 31.3% from distance.

We're talking about a legit 7-footer with an assist rate of 20.2% and that's underselling his playmaking chops. The consistent skip passes he deals out that create the advantages that lead to assists aren't even captured by the metrics. He's not perfect, but he has been dominant and we've needed every bit of it. 

 

A win is still a win. The win over Nebraska wasn't pretty by any means, but it keeps tournament hopes alive when the alternative was functionally a lost season. Teams win ugly games all the time during conference play (see MSU vs Maryland yesterday), so never apologize for a conference victory.

That said, the team's play this year hasn't provided much hope for improvement exclusive of the aforementioned three-game stretch. But, that win does keep us alive to fight for another day. While sustained improvement (namely defense) may not seem likely, it buys the coaching staff time to get this thing right. A win in either of the upcoming contests against Purdue in tandem with a home win over OSU likely puts the Wolverines on the right side of the bubble. This win gives Juwan Howard and staff that opportunity. 

 

DeVante Jones, slowly coming along. Michigan's starting floor general isn't a star, but he's become an adequate offensive player after a rough start. 10.2 points and 4 assists per game with a 2.5/1 assist/turnover ratio during B10 play is solid play for an up-transfer.

Jones is the best ballscreen creator on the roster by a wide margin, as the Wolverines put up .99ppp on pick-and-roll possessions (including passes), which is good for 80th percentile nationally per Synergy. He's not a guy that can get a bucket in late-clock scenarios and has no pull-up game absent a ton of space, but he can get Michigan clean looks as both a scorer/playmaker when he has a ballscreen.

[AFTER THE JUMP, let's talk about the defense]

THREE DOWN

 

Blitzing the ballscreens. The Wolverine defense was torched by MSU exploiting that particular coverage. During 13 non-garbage time possessions, the Spartans scored 1.333ppp against the blitz. The more staggering number? MSU scored every possession in which Michigan blitzed against AJ Hoggard, conceding a whopping 2.33ppp. 

Against MSU, the more effective approach was undoubtedly utilizing drop coverage and that was rather obvious. For context, the Spartan offense was held to .5ppp during 8 non-garbage time possessions against drop coverage.

The choice to continue with the blitz was baffling and one that certainly limited any chance Michigan had at stealing one on the road in a game that appeared very winnable from a personnel/matchup perspective. 

 

The alternative, not so good. For the season, Michigan is giving up .946ppp on pull-up jumpers (includes both midrange + threes)............on 223 shot attempts, good for 4th percentile nationally. These possessions against Nebraska provide some visual analysis that contextualizes the data. We're far beyond the idea of this being random/regression forthcoming. 

Michigan is forcing "bad shots" in theory, but the results don't match. What the bad shot theory doesn't convey is that it's difficult to cede 3-7 inches from your starting backcourt while adequately contesting pull-ups. As I've always said, "bad shots" are more about who rather than what. 

Taking that into account, the blitz/drop coverage choice becomes a real dilemma for Juwan Howard. Going to a drop coverage scheme opens Michigan up to pull-up jumpers and isolation plays that have given the defense problems. The blitz approach tends to concede catch + shoot jumpers on skip passes and roll-man layups because our low-man rotation is not a big. 

Personally, I prefer the drop coverage approach as that scheme is less likely to put Dickinson in foul trouble. However, I do think the best philosophy is deeper than that.

College coaches are generally married to a system/singular approach and don't budge from that. Whereas NBA coaches typically have a different approach to every game depending on matchup. I think the NBA approach is probably optimal for this Michigan team. Against MSU for example, drop coverage was clearly the answer as Hoggard/Walker are basically non-shooters. Against a team with guys that convert pull-ups at an adequate clip, the blitz approach may be more ideal. 

 

The bench, in general. Terrance Williams, Brandon Johns, Kobe Bufkin and Frankie Collins are putting up 16 points a night on roughly 42 minutes per game as a unit in conference games. To be candid, that 16 point mark is a mirage. That average is weighed heavily by Williams' 22 point outburst against Nebraska in December and Johns going for 20 in the same game in the starting unit. 

Exclusive of the aforementioned December game, the bench is around 10ppg as a unit. That simply won't cut it if Michigan is going to make a serious run for the tournament. We need one of the bench guys to be around 7-11 points for any given game and a total closer to 20 points. We're simply asking too much of the starters. We just need one reliable bench option. 

 

 

 

 

Comments

Gulogulo37

February 2nd, 2022 at 7:23 PM ^

The Pin Down podcast made that observation. Diabate isn't Dickinson sure, but he hasn't really shown a lot of insane leaping ability. He's not tall Frankie. It's more his lateral game. I'm not sure if that's just his playing style or what. I really hope he stays for 1 more year. Dickinson will almost surely be gone. Moussa is pretty good now, but he still has so much more potential, and he could be a real terror next year.

Matt EM

February 2nd, 2022 at 4:04 PM ^

Do you mean the guys like Trey Burke that I projected as a college Chris Paul? Or perhaps Caris Levert that I comped to a college Jordan Clarkson? Or maybe that was Jon Teske that I projected as a college Marc Gasol? 

The narrative doesn't always match reality. One thing about myself, I'm going to be realistic regardless of whether it's taken well or not. It'd be a disservice to the Michigan community to do otherwise in my humble opinion. It's not my job to be a cheerleader, it is my job to evaluate basketball. 

Matt EM

February 2nd, 2022 at 4:38 PM ^

I can't even entertain this..........I literally suggested Michigan should recruit Livers prior to any interest from the staff and was all over his recruitment (I literally broke his commitment news). Projected him as a college Tobias Harris and poor man's Kyle Kuzma at his best if he made it to the league.

Jordan Poole - always liked him as a prospect

So let's get right to it.............what you're really saying is "I loved Eli Brooks as a HS prospect and Matt didn't". Guilty as charged. Eli is very effective as try-hard 4th/5th option on a good team. Make him a primary option that is not surrounded by NBA players and he becomes rather ineffective. He has outstanding basketball acumen/basketball IQ, but it simply cannot overcome the fact that he's an undersized, below-average athlete that doesn't handle the ball all that well. Those are the precise reasons I wasn't in love with him as a HS prospect and they all turned out to be true. 

So if you want to limit the discussion to "well yeah but you didn't love our 5th year senior guard when he was a HS prospect, but were probably mostly correct about your projections" tantrum, have at it. 

Narrative does not equal reality. 

Basketballschoolnow

February 2nd, 2022 at 6:48 PM ^

We need shooters on this roster--period.  Of course, it is better if they are also great athletes.  That is what is generally supposed to happen when you recruit 5 star wings, but ours seem to not be able to shoot, or not great athletes, or both.

If you have to recruit a 3 star or a 4 star who is adequate on defense, and can just stand in the corner, and provide spacing by basically being automatic on open 3s, then recruit the 3 star.  

It seems that the recruiting playbook has shifted markedly from specific basketball skills, to athleticism.  If we can't get both, maybe we need more of a mix.

dragonchild

February 2nd, 2022 at 3:58 PM ^

Autobenching is the “punt on 4th and 1” of basketball. You turn a chance of something happening (fewer minutes from a player) into the result itself, like punching yourself in the face. This game was punting on 4th and 1 when you have Hammering Panda. And the opposing D-line averages 200 pounds. And you’re down 4 with a minute left in the game. And you’re on the opponent’s 1-yard line. And it’s actually 2nd down.

Hunter was autobenched for effectively 15 minutes of game clock. What was the likelihood he fouled out five fucking minutes into the second half had he just stayed in.

maquih

February 2nd, 2022 at 10:34 PM ^

The difference is that turnover on downs the opponent can still be in a tough spot.  They're still on their own 30, for example.  There isn't any enduring disadvantage.

If Hunter stays in the opponent just attacks Hunter, it gives them a huge advantage until the half ends.  He has to play passive on rebounds, has to think twice running at the basket on offense. So you have an emaciated version of the awesome player you need at his best.

Second half he came in and dominated, can't ignore that all the rest he got and ability to play without fear of incorrect foul calls that he leveraged

 

 

bronxblue

February 2nd, 2022 at 4:05 PM ^

Good stuff.  I do think the difference between drop and blitz defense in that MSU game was more a result of sample size than structural differences.  In those clips you see MSU getting open looks against both styles and just missing a couple more against drop.  It didn't feel like either defense had much of a long-term chance in that game once UM's offense went cold.

 

NJblue2

February 2nd, 2022 at 4:31 PM ^

The backcourt is taller this year, so don't think it's suddenly that people realize Eli is short. Jones is taller than Smith and Eli is still a good defender. I really don't think the issues on defense are mostly about Eli's height, it seems to be switching away exclusively drop coverage and a big drop off in defense from the 3/4 spot. 

 

Matt EM

February 2nd, 2022 at 4:43 PM ^

I tend to disagree here. Not all years are created equally. Remember when Teske was considered a great defender as a junior then was exploited as a senior? The reasons were  A) a talent of infusion of bigs in the B10 during his senior year and B) opposing coaches going right at him as senior

This year the backcourt is not surrounded by Franz/Livers/Chaundee to ease the burden of defending the best perimeter player for the opposition for chunks of the game. Opposing coaches are also going right at Jones/Brooks in isolation on volume rather than running actions.

Short of it is, every year is different, circumstances change. And this year, the guards have been undeniably bad at the defense. 

blueboy

February 2nd, 2022 at 4:48 PM ^

I think another main reason Teske fell off is he started playing a much bigger role on offense and got gassed. 
 

same thing that happened to hunter against MSU. One of the downsides of your offense revolving around your big man. It takes a big toll from a fatigue perspective.

NJblue2

February 2nd, 2022 at 4:55 PM ^

Eli has always guarded some of the better perimeter players. He's not all the sudden bad on defense and all the sudden people realize he's short like I said. I know you're not much of fan of Eli and you think his defense is overrated. I think the wings and forwards have been undeniably bad at defense. Moussa is constantly lost and he has really bad timing when helping. Houstan has been honestly terrible on defense whether defending on the ball or just getting loss on rotations and in transition. The front court in general is really bad at guarding ball screens too.

Matt EM

February 2nd, 2022 at 5:01 PM ^

I agree with the majority of what you say, the team is bad in general defensively. But if you don't think Brooks is a major part of the problem, I guess I just don't know what to say. I mean the guy is literally giving up 1.5ppp on pull-ups........against 57 jumpers per Synergy. We're not talking randomness at this point, the sample is legit. He's simply undersized and opposing coaches are taking advantage of it without NBA players there to help him out. 

Naked Bootlegger

February 3rd, 2022 at 9:47 AM ^

Agree.   I wasn't expecting Bufkin, as a true freshman, to step in a become a defensive stopper.   Defense is more than just pure athleticism and length.  But I really hoped that Zeb would embrace being THE wing defender in this lineup as a more veteran player that would understand the nuances of team defense at the collegiate level better than Bufkin.

NJblue2

February 2nd, 2022 at 5:54 PM ^

I'm not sure how Synergy grades a defensive play, but do they separate pull up jumper out of a ball screen from a one on one pull up jumper? It seems like that's a lot of the problem and I can't put that all on a guard when the big plays a huge role in defending a ball screen? I just don't by Eli being the biggest problem and not the assortment of 3/4s. 

The fact that we don't seem to have wings to cover up his supposed terrible defense, that would fall on Juwan and his roster construction.

Matt EM

February 2nd, 2022 at 6:24 PM ^

My apologies if my sentiment is coming off as "Eli is the biggest problem". I'm certainly not trying to convey that. If anything, I'm agreeing with you that that lack of a legit defender/athlete with size in the current rotation is perhaps the biggest problem.

The fact that Eli is often tasked with guarding the best perimeter player for the opposition is a testament to the lack of athleticism at the SF spot and exacerbates his vulnerabilities without a real solution otherwise. 

Point is, Brooks shouldn't be given that assignment in the first place because he's ill-equipped to do it from a physical perspective. He should be a guarding secondary options, etc.

NJblue2

February 2nd, 2022 at 7:27 PM ^

I agree that Eli is being put in a position that it's hard to successful at. I just think he's a very good perimeter defender, but yes asking him to guard a wing probably isn't best, just like Chris Paul guarding a wing will turn out bad regardless of how good a defender he is. 

I guess I'm operating out of the stand point of, I've seen Eli be good on defense, and I haven't really seen that from the wings + Diabate, that to me it's more the pieces around him being worse and that hurting him as opposed to the reverse. 

 

TrueBlue2003

February 3rd, 2022 at 8:06 PM ^

I know you sort of clarified this last but to say Brooks "is a major part of the problem" is wrong.  He is Michigan's best defender.  And yes, that is a huge problem because it's not because he's a great defender, he's a solid college defender but the problem is everyone else is worse than him.

Hunter can't protect the rim and gets crushed by PnRs.  Moussa gets lost way too frequently. Caleb gets lost and is a limited athlete so all we can do is try to hide him and Jones is crafty but is too limited athletically and is too undisciplined.

Everyone else is a major part of the problem.  Eli is a minor part of the problem but his impact gets leveraged because the coaches are trying to hide everyone else and put way too much on him (i.e. ask him to guard guys he has no business guarding while offering no help and no rim protection).

TrueBlue2003

February 2nd, 2022 at 7:00 PM ^

He guarded the best guards when Smith was on the court last year but he didn't guard the best wings also (like he has to sometimes this year).  That fell to Franz.  And sometimes they'd even put Franz on taller guards that were giving us problems if there was an opportunity to put Eli on a lower usage wing.

Matt is 100 percent correct that Eli is getting much tougher assignments this year, like last night on McGowans.  That wouldn't have been his matchup last year.  Even though Eli was there on McGowans, he was getting shot over.

Bob_Timberlake

February 2nd, 2022 at 4:42 PM ^

The defense should be bolstered next season since we have a 5-9 guard coming. And 3 of the 4 signees for next season are not known for shooting so that should help the treys. Hope there’s some gold that Juwan can mine in that transfer portal.

blueboy

February 2nd, 2022 at 4:45 PM ^

I said this in the recap comments but repeating here.

 

Here’s my list of best individual seasons by a Michigan basketball player since I became a conscious fan (2011 or so)

 

1) 2013 Trey Burke

2) 2014 Nik Stauskas

3) 2022 Hunter Dickinson

4) 2018 Mo Wagner

Lotta strong candidates for the 5 slot but I feel good about those 4 if things don’t drastically change by the end of the year.  
 

Shame that the talent just isn’t there around him. 

Megumin

February 2nd, 2022 at 4:47 PM ^

I usually like to be positive but gonna be totally honest here. While it's clear the guards being too short and unathletic this year is a huge part of the defensive problem, we got away with it last year thanks to to our standout wings.

What we have is our two best guys, Diabate and Hunter are at their best 5s, which you can make do with. The real issue IMO is that you have to pair them with our "wings" who all should ideally be 4s. Johns, Williams and Houstan are all simply pigeonholed into being 3s and they aren't helping Eli and Devante the way Franz and Chaundee were.

The alarming thing is I'm worried about next season as well. Dug is even shorter than our current guards. Glenn is another taller/slower guy who probably fits best at the 4. Hopefully Jett has some perimeter defense ability as a 2/3 but a single freshman isn't going to save the D. Minus Hunter and Diabate, I'm not sure what Michigan's gameplan is next year.

Hoping I'm wrong here, but I feel like Juwan should be looking at the portal here for 2/3 wings with defensive chops. Some growth from our young wing options (Bufkin/Barnes/Jace?) is greatly needed as well.

ak47

February 2nd, 2022 at 5:41 PM ^

I do think there was an overselling by some about what should be expected of year one players just because they are highly ranked. Bufkin and Isiah Barnes are to top 100 guys who could take a year 2 jump and fill some of that.

But yes, I do worry that absent that jump, there isn't a fix next year.

Matt EM

February 2nd, 2022 at 5:53 PM ^

On a macro level, not every recruiting cycle is created the same. For the last 5 years, HS talent has significantly dropped and so has the corresponding quality of CBB in general.

A top 40 guy for 2022 is really a top 60-70 guy from a wholistic perspective in terms of impact. This is basically Jett Howard.

So when you guys ask me "what's the deal with Houstan, I thought he was a top 10 type?"......the answer is top 10 for 21' is more like top 25-30 from a wholistic perspective. I tried to be subtle in my Hello report that he was overrated, the same way I said Diabate was underrated as a 20-25ish guy from mainstreams.

TrueBlue2003

February 2nd, 2022 at 7:16 PM ^

People got stars in their eyes after Kentucky and Duke won titles with one and done's in the early 10s but those were anomalies led by some unique players (Anthony Davis for UK) that often don't play college ball anymore.

There is a reason why Jay Wright dabbled with five stars but then went back to recruiting the kind of four stars that fit his system and culture.

I'd rather have third year four stars than first year five stars all day long (except the super elite five stars like Holmgren or Jabari Smith).

That said, this current Michigan team wouldn't be better off with four star freshmen.  They'd just have less talented guys that don't know what to do.  We lost too many players last year to simply replace with freshmen.  Needed to get at least one more wing transfer and preferably another guard transfer (like Brown).

However, they would be better off next year with some returning four stars rather than needing to replace these five stars with...the four stars we could have had this year.

PortlandiUM

February 2nd, 2022 at 5:08 PM ^

Matt,

I just want to say thank you for all of the great coverage and analysis.  I learn a lot from all of your input on the site.  Even more, I (we) appreciate that you respond in the comments for more elaboration.  I'm sorry that this opens you up to some ridicule and trolling but please know that there is a lot more appreciative lurkers in the comments.

Keep up the good work and Go Blue!

Matt EM

February 2nd, 2022 at 5:23 PM ^

As always, thank you for the kind words. I don't exist in this sphere without the greatest sports community on this here planet.

And the criticism, fair or not, comes with the territory. I get things wrong just like everyone else. But it won't be for lack of evaluations/effort. The only thing I ask is that people be honest with their criticisms.

ak47

February 2nd, 2022 at 5:22 PM ^

I think a down has to be Howard's recruiting strategy. He clearly has tried to build a team around a shot creator and guys hitting those shots created for them. But what an elite team needs is a perimeter player that can create his own jump shot off the dribble. Nobody recruited matches that profile.

AGuy

February 2nd, 2022 at 5:32 PM ^

I think age and experience doesn't get talked about enough. Baylor won it all last year, and their top 7 scorers were: Jr, Sr, Jr, So, Jr, So, Sr, Jr. And that doesn't account for redshirts. Similarly, Michigan was relatively old last year. Top 7 Scorers: Fr, So, Sr, Sr, Sr, Sr, Jr. 

Super young teams rarely win big, with some Duke exceptions, and wow I did not remember how young Michigan was in 2012-2013 when we went to the finals.

Back in 2019, Matt Painter noted for Brad Underwood to be successful at Illinois he said: "You've got to be able to get old and stay old. That experience really, really helps guys."

He further elaborated: 

"If you have a step back or you're just starting (your program) or whatever, it's because you get a good class, and then maybe you don't get quite the class that you want, and then you get another good class, so there's a gap in there. And so I never look at how good a class is in terms of how it gets ranked. I think it's one of the dumbest things ever. And you guys always pay attention to Illinois and beat that drum and 'gotta get a kid from this area, gotta be ranked here' - that stuff doesn't lead to wins. That stuff doesn't lead to production. That doesn't lead to championships. Getting your guys, two or three classes in a row, and them sticking together, caring for each other and playing hard, that's what wins."

Embed wasn't working. Link is here: https://illiniboard.com/story/2019/2/28/get-old-stay-old 

Another one. Virginia national champs 2019 top 7 scorers: Jr, So, Jr, Jr, Jr, Jr, Fr.

Experience matters.

JBG

February 2nd, 2022 at 6:28 PM ^

Maybe there is a silver lining here:  our 1 and done's aren't so and we get them back for another year or 2.  And maybe Hunter also stays for another year to cement himself as a sure fire draft pick, similar to what Hutchinson and Haskins did with and for the football team.   

jdraman

February 2nd, 2022 at 9:06 PM ^

Matt, what is your opinion on Michigan transitioning to a "switch everything" coverage scheme. Some of the best defenses in CBB today (TTU, Baylor, Texas, Villanova) all play with a "switch everything" scheme on defense. These teams rank highly in forcing the most isolation plays per game, which in the college game are the least efficient possessions on offense.

Do you think Michigan can successfully implement that strategy? Or does the roster lack the requisite athleticism and BBIQ to execute the scheme?

 

jdraman

February 3rd, 2022 at 12:05 AM ^

That was my general thought process as well... 

I think you could make it work with Hunter at the 5; the college game has fewer true NBA-level athletes. But the poor play, lacking athleticism, and seemingly lacking BBIQ of the wings is the true detrimental factor for playing a switching scheme.

Matt EM

February 3rd, 2022 at 11:05 AM ^

A switch everything approach has 2 key components for which Michigan lacks:

A) An agile center that can stick with guards for 1-2 dribbles (Dickinson cannot)

B) Guards with size (usually over 6'3) that can wall-up when switched against a big until a stunt/help comes (Jones/Brooks cannot)

 

Long story short Michigan does not have the size/length/athleticism to do that for this year's team

jdraman

February 3rd, 2022 at 12:58 PM ^

I sort of figured this would be the response, but just wanted to see what your opinion would be. 

How about a hypothetical:

(1) IF Moussa sticks around for another year

(2) and IF Kobe Bufkin (or some other "big" guard/wing) takes a leap

then would you think Michigan could successfully implement that strategy?