[Bryan Fuller]

Slow-Motion Whiplash Comment Count

Brian October 7th, 2019 at 1:15 PM

10/6/2019 – Michigan 10, Iowa 3 – 4-1, 2-1 Big Ten

The story of the last 20 years of the Michigan-Ohio State rivalry is Jim Tressel gradually transitioning Ohio State from what was then accurately termed "pro style offense" to a spread option system that's been at or near the bleeding edge for 15 years. He inherited Steve Bellisari and Craig Krenzel, neither of whom will be confused with a gazelle any time soon, and transitioned to Troy Smith in a bumpy 2004 season that saw the Buckeyes reach The Game with a 3-4 Big Ten record.

One-loss, #7 Michigan entered a heavy favorite. Four hours later a nuclear bomb had gone off. Smith threw for 241 yards on 23 attempts. He ran for 145 on 18. Ohio State got 52 yards on 14 carries from fullback Brandon Joe; everything else was Smith gaining 9.4 yards per whatever he did.

OSU did not look back. Since November 20th, 2004, Ohio State has had zero sharp turns with their approach. They've pushed things around based on whether their QB was Braxton Miller or Cardale Jones; they've constantly iterated to keep up with the Joneses. At almost no point have they tried to do something completely different.

When they found themselves forced into something pretty different a year ago when it turned out Dwayne Haskins would rather eat a turtle than run a zone read, things were rickety to the tune of a 49-20 blowout at Purdue where the Buckeyes tried a WR screen on fourth and goal from the two.

Doing different things is hard. Especially all at once.

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By contrast, Michigan has had no set offensive identity for longer than a few years. The tail end of the Carr era was almost nothing but outside zone from under center because the Broncos made it cool. Michigan imported Rich Rodriguez, then fired him after two years of Denard Robinson. Brady Hoke put Robinson under center a lot, because he is a neanderthal, and then recruited nothing but battleship pocket passers (and air). Michigan imported an Alabama OC who was no better than the guy putting Robinson under center; Hoke got fired.

In comes Jim Harbaugh, who had a fascinating period manballing it up from every formation that had ever been invented, lost Jedd Fisch, hired Pep Hamilton, threw Tim Drevno overboard two years too late, hired Ed Warinner, turned to Warinner after the Notre Dame debacle, developed a nice arc read package, ditched Hamilton, and hired Josh Gattis.

In the opener Gattis showed an arc read with an option attached that looked like the natural evolution of what Michigan had been running last year, and then for whatever reason all of that got stuffed in a garbage disposal. Michigan cited an oblique injury to the quarterback. Since then they've done various things, with nothing that you can actually call a base offense. Giving total control to Josh Gattis appears to have resulted in Michigan tossing some adequate babies out with the bathwater, and now the babies are not very adequate.

The number of whiplash moments here is approaching double digits, all while Ohio State calmly whittles a stick into a cruise missile. Michigan has repeatedly thrown over their offensive approach midseason.

Michigan doesn't need to go to Columbus for a counter-example, either: after getting ripped by Ohio State last year Don Brown has moved to a bunch of zone coverages. This is a pretty radical makeover itself, but since it's run by the same guy the terminology hasn't changed; the playbook is still the playbook, but different things are coming out of it. You can see where the defense is heading as it adapts to its personnel. Since that personnel has a decided lack of NFL defensive tackles it's been bumpy.

There's no comparison between the two units. Even after getting imploded by Wisconsin, Michigan sits 2nd in SP+ defense. In reality they're probably a few notches down from that—SP+ is still including a healthy preseason component. The offense is 66th, down over 40 spots from last year after returning nine starters. And there, too, optimistic preseason projections are propping that number up.

It's time to start moving certain pieces around, if only to experiment. Piece number one is quarterback, where it's time to see if any of the offseason Dylan McCaffrey hype was warranted.

Maybe that'll be enough for Michigan to dig in at some spot that—while vastly disappointing relative to preseason expectations—allows Michigan to entrench and see a way forward. Maybe not. Either way Michigan has another hard choice to make: continue on with an unproven coordinator off to a confusing, awful start, or throw it all away and try to build another sand castle before Ohio State can stomp it flat.

[After THE JUMP: defense though!]

AWARDS

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Clark Kent mode: still dormant [Fuller]

Known Friends And Trusted Agents Of The Week

you're the man now, dog

-2535ac8789d1b4991f1c37dee-a502-44d9#1 Kwity Paye/Aidan Hutchinson. 2.5 TFLs each; Paye's were all sacks; Hutchinson had one sack. Hutchison also added a forced fumble on the first play from scrimmage—nice when that happens to the other guys—and a PBU when he deflected a pass at the LOS. The relative proficiency of both guys on the interior allowed Michigan to put their rush package on the field on anything resembling a passing down and survive.

#2 Khaleke Hudson. 11 tackles, a QB hurry, a TFL, and suffered a hold so blindingly obvious that it drew a flag. Missed one tackle on a crossing route; otherwise excellent.  

#3 Cam McGrone/Jordan Glasgow. McGrone had some off moments but was also instrumental in Michigan's constant Stanley-shattering pressure; he's getting a +3 in UFR for a sack on which he took off from the linebacker level on the snap, dusted the RB, and finished. Glasgow converted a run blitz to a similar sack.

Honorable mention: Nico Collins was most of Michigan's touchdown drive, and he also got targeted two more times. Dax Hill had an impressive fourth-down PBU. Josh Metellus got over the top for an INT; so did Lavert Hill.

KFaTAotW Standings

NOTE: New scoring! HM: 1 point. #3: 3 points. #2: 5 points. #1: 8 points. Split winners awarded points at the sole discretion of a pygmy marmoset named Luke.

13: Aidan Hutchinson(#1 Army, HM Rutgers, T1 Iowa)
10: Zach Charbonnet (#2 MTSU, #2 Army)
9: Shea Patterson(HM MTSU, #1 Rutgers), Josh Uche (#3 MTSU, #3 Army, T2 Rutgers), Ambry Thomas (#1 MTSU, HM Rutgers)
7: Kwity Paye (T2 Rutgers, T1 Iowa).
5: Khaleke Hudson (#2 Iowa).
3: Ronnie Bell (HM Army, T3 Rutgers), Cam McGrone(HM Rutgers, T3 Iowa), Jordan Glasgow (HM MTSU, T3 Iowa)
2: DPJ (T3 Rutgers), Nico Collins (HM Rutgers, HM Iowa), Dax Hill(HM Rutgers, HM Iowa), Josh Metellus (HM Army, HM Iowa), Lavert Hill (HM Army, HM Iowa)
1: Will Hart (HM MTSU), Josh Ross (HM, MTSU), Sean McKeon (HM, MTSU),Brad Hawkins (HM Army), Christian Turner (HM Rutgers), Christian Turner (HM Rutgers).

Who's Got It Better Than Us(?) Of The Week

Nate Stanley is buried under an avalanche of persons on fourth and forever.

Honorable mention: The many and various sacks. Nico Collins catches a bomb.

X4OROG3KOKTIFUY4YU4SNSLDIY_thumb_thu[2]MARCUS HALL EPIC DOUBLE BIRD OF THE WEEK.

Moody misses a chip-shot field goal that would have essentially ended the game.

Honorable mention: Nordin gets iced at the end of the first half. Patterson throws a pick trying to get over a dropping defender on hi/low read. Patterson… well, just read the next section.

OFFENSE

McCaffrey time. Shea Patterson had one 51-yard bomb to Nico Collins and 25 other attempts on which Michigan advanced 96 yards, 3.8 yards an attempt. He threw a very bad interception and tried to throw another one. Both of his sacks were on him; he sat in the pocket forever on the first and then ran himself into pressure on the second.

I like Joel Klatt but when going over the game I about passed out when he lamented how no one was open on the first sack.

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Literally everyone is open! This coverage is a giant Iowa bust on which a corner playing outside leverage expects safety help and that safety help is moving up on a crossing route, which is also open. It really seems like this is the whole point of the play, as Bell takes his route vertical for a few steps to draw the safety's attention before breaking to the crossing route.

I should note that after attempting to match this up with the rush, the point at which Patterson needs to decide to throw is this:

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Since both LBs are moving left and the safety has committed these guys are in fact all open but I didn't want to be accused of cherry picking a moment too late. We saw McCaffrey make a nice anticipation throw to McKeon against Wisconsin, it's not unreasonable to expect Patterson to decide any of these guys are open. Also the wide open post needs no anticipation.

Various other incidents where Patterson sat in the pocket and couldn't find anyone didn't get the downfield cam treatment but I imagine many of them were like this, because this has been a consistent issue any time Patterson goes up against a zone defense.

There is no reason to expect this to improve, so I'm on Team McCaffrey as soon as he returns from injury.

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rarely does it come easy [Fuller]

A brief bit of sun. Michigan's other drive—the one that ended in the missed field goal—was frustrating even when things were working: it interspersed one two-yard run with completions to Collins, DPJ, and Black on two hitches that wobbled their way out there but were still easily completed and an out on which Tru Wilson picked up a CB blitz and Patterson threw it where that came from.

It's impossible to see that bit and not think about why it couldn't be this easy all the time. After the deep shot to Collins Iowa cornerbacks were playing in the parking lot or showing more aggressive coverage and bailing just before the snap. Michigan threw one hitch at that until the fourth quarter, that the Sainristil third down conversion.

To be fair to Gattis, Michigan did try to high-low Iowa on a couple of different instances only for Patterson to throw an interception on one. And the wobble on those hitches may have been oblique-induced. They were not confidence inspiring.

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no sale [Fuller]

Legitimate complaint. One complaint about the WR corps that I do think was legitimate was a distinct lack of Grant Perry route artisanship on red-zone corner routes, which were continually well-covered because Michigan's double moves on them were weak or nonexistent. Perry liked the weak first move followed by a more convincing second one inside, and then he'd break out. Iowa's a lot better than Hawaii and Geno Stone in particular was amazing in this game; still would like to see some guys bite on your moves.

Wildcat. I'm of two minds about the wildcat snap: yes, it was sort of a six-v-six situation on which the OL didn't win. (I say sort of because the overhang linebacker flew into the box on the snap.) On the other, Michigan took a passing down and waved a giant flag that they were going to run. Pass protection gets worse once the opposition doesn't have to worry about the run—Michigan had 15 pass protection positives before their first negative against Wisconsin, and from there things went to hell—and no doubt that dynamic exists for obvious runs.

Meanwhile, Michigan's other trick play was supposed to be an end-around pass from DPJ to Erick All. All fell over, Iowa didn't bite anyway, and DPJ seemingly had not been coached to get rid of the ball if his passing option was not there.

Ground woes continue. More whiplash: after a week where Michigan ran power, outside zone, and inside zone with meh success and seemingly quite a bit of confusion Michigan flipped to approximately one run play: inside zone. There was some split zone in there and a couple of arc plays, but after some early success Iowa got locked in on the one thing Michigan was doing and turned it into a struggle.

It is depressing that Michigan's gone from a team that can throw a lot of stuff at your face and run it all pretty well to one that does literally nothing well enough to be a base play. That goes double given the returning starters Michigan has. A lot of this has to do with the suddenly non-functional QB run game—that one arc read outside of four-minute-drill time was so open it was painful—but I don't know what to do with a team-wide regression so comprehensive. Players are supposed to get better as they get older.

I don't even know man. Michigan threw one bubble in this game, when they put Eubanks outside of DPJ. Iowa rolled their CB up to the LOS and slid their LB corps heavily to the field, with an OLB, who is a real OLB since it's Iowa, head up on Eubanks. The presnap look was a giant blinking DO NOT THROW A BUBBLE.

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Bubble. I'm going to walk into the ocean now.

Michigan can't throw a screen of any variety. No TE screens, no WR screens, no RB screens. No tunnels, no bubbles, no flash screens. Speed in space is nonexistent.

DEFENSE

Dax Hill: a man. Hill got another chunk of playing time and flashed eye-popping ability. His fourth and two PBU was a drag route on which he lined up with outside leverage, got a step behind, and then made up the distance in a flash. Almost casually. I look forward to fully actualized Dax Hill.

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at least there's someone missing a tackle [Fuller]

Mesh: a plan. Michigan got hit with a few different crossing routes in this game, but in almost all cases this was because someone messed up. McGrone had one; Hudson missed a tackle; I think Thomas was late recognizing his responsibility on the one to Iowa's little scatback. Like last week's not-quite switch-em-up that seemed like Dax Hill busting a trap coverage. Michigan is still getting used to a much more diverse defensive approach but it's working pretty well; see the column section above.

Drop-out blitzes: a canal. Michigan's TFL issues were always a product of who they played. Army is Army. MTSU and Rutgers have offenses designed around the fact they can't block anyone. Wisconsin is Wisconsin, and they only had to throw 15 passes. It wasn't likely that a Don Brown defense was going to be bad at getting to the QB.

But even the most optimistic view wouldn't have projected eight sacks and an intentional grounding that was functionally a ninth. Michigan obliterated Iowa's pass protection. They were extremely eager to throw their rush package on the field—second and seven+ was good enough—and in the second half they threw in a ton of threatened rushes and late drops that sent a ton of guys through untouched. McGrone zipped through the interior of the line when Uche dropped out multiple times; Hudson got a free run off the edge; etc.

Panama. I like Panama because on a continent where way too many countries have national anthems titled "The National Anthem," the Panamanian national anthem is "The Hymn Of The Isthmus."

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how Stanley didn't fumble in this game is unknown [Fuller]

McGrone, up and down. As mentioned above, Cam McGrone had some negative blips here. He was set to jam a crossing route from Smith-Marsette and airballed on him; there was a chunk iso run where he got thwacked by the fullback and didn't funnel to help.

But the dude has the Devin Bush thing where he can come from the linebacker level with no warning and get in on the quarterback in a flash. Iowa was constantly turning him free on blitzes up the middle in part because of that—there are guys who seem dangerous and guys who don't based on their positioning. McGrone was also excellent at not tipping when he was coming.

Handsy. A pretty frustrating game for both offenses in the PI department. Michigan had an open-drive TD that didn't quite come off because a DB who was beaten clean by Black yanked him from behind without a call. For Michigan's part it seemed like they dodged a couple of penalties: an official made the uncatchable signal after Ambry Thomas mugged Oliver Martin on a fade, and a Lavert Hill PBU saw some serious jersey tugging both ways.

On the latter play an official had tossed his hat to indicate the WR had stepped out of bounds. If you step out of bounds and are ineligible to touch the ball first, can you be interfered with? It seems like the answer should be no. But I don't know.

Michigan did get hit with an inevitable flag on a badly underthrown go route.

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[Fuller]

All right-thinking persons believe these flags are an affront to momentum and should not be called. Michigan was the beneficiary of one against Army, which felt dirty but was badly needed at the time. It is unfair to penalize someone when they are running in a straight line and the WR decides he needs to go through your body.

SPECIAL TEAMS

What are you doi—ok. DPJ fielded a punt at the four, which was bad. Then he DPJed his way out to the 40, which was good, and then he fumbled, which was bad, and then Michigan jumped on it, so that was okay again. Michigan got some fluck in this game to offset earlier bad luck.

Golden godhood: nah. Aussie drifter Michael Sleep-Dalton only averaged 38 yards a kick and didn't pin Michigan inside the 10. (Punting stats should record inside the 10, not inside the 20.) He did have a very frustrating line drive he hammered to the left after rolling right; DPJ had no shot at fielding it and it ended up being 56 yards with no return. Sleep-Dalton put a couple in the sideline as compensation.

By contrast Will Hart was his usual self: boom everything, live with the consequences. Iowa picked up 54 yards on four punt returns with a long of 17—ie, everything that got fielded came back a long way, and six of the eight punts either got returned or went into the endzone. So despite a 46 yard average, Michigan only netted 34 yards a punt once touchbacks and returns are accounted for.

These are the costs of Michigan's punting approach.

What was with the pop-ups? Michigan popped up their first two kickoffs. Smith-Marsette caught the first one on the dead run but had fair-caught it. The second one he took out to the 50. The opening kickoff of the second half went into the endzone, and you have to wonder why Michigan wasn't doing that from the beginning.

Nordin: very large leg. Consecutive 58-yarders were easily long enough; the second one got pushed wide after a bad snap.

MISCELLANEOUS

End of half, again. The end of half bugaboo struck again. Michigan was rightfully turtling until Kirk Ferentz called a somewhat unusual timeout on third and one; Haskins ripped off Michigan's longest run of the day—18 yards—and Michigan decided to try to get something with 20 seconds left and one timeout. Out of the timeout they threw a hitch, and DPJ got tackled in bounds. Michigan let the clock roll, threw another short pass, and then called timeout with one second left.

After the hitch the announcers clucked about how DPJ had to get out of bounds, something that would have been much easier if he'd been running an out. Why was he getting a throw at the numbers, five yards from the sideline?

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homecoming without lots of homecoming [Bryan Fuller]

No halftime show. Homecoming didn't have the alumni band performance. No Temptation, no War Chant. I don't even know what we're doing here if we're not preserving even extremely easy-to-preserve traditions. Let's become the mauve and taupe.

HERE

Best and Worst:

Meh: The Offense

I'm going to be a contrarian here and say the offense legitimately looked like it was making solid strides against what is a very good (if unspectacular) defense. Yes, Jim Harbaugh is probably trolling a bit when he says he thinks the offense is hitting its stride, as 10 points in any game is rarely a sign your team is firing on all cylinders. But I re-watched this game and there were a number of times where a play here, a play there turns what was a nail-biter into a blowout and we aren't having as many existential conversations about the state of the program. I know Iowa players said they didn't make adjustments to the pass defense, and I guess if your philosophy is "zone them hard and grab anyone who tries to get away", then in broad strokes that's probably correct. But Michigan still ground down the field at a decent clip (4.1 ypc after you excise sacks, kneel-downs, and whatever happened during that DPJ play), and perhaps most importantly stayed ahead of the sticks consistently (Iowa only picked up 4 TFLs, and two of those came on sacks and a third was the aforementioned DPJ play). Iowa's one of the worst teams in the country in generating tackles behind the line, but as we've seen past performance does not remotely portend future results. And heck, Patterson actually kept the ball on a couple of plays and picked up a couple of first downs in the process.

Also podcast, Ace's recap:

This was ¡El Assico! 2: This Time in Blue. Neither team cracked 270 yards of total offense. Of the game's 26 real drives, there were:

  • 15 punts
  • four interceptions
  • a lost fumble
  • two made field goals
  • two missed field goals
  • a single, solitary touchdown
  • Iowa's eight-play, 12-yard drive to end the game.

The defense, obviously, emerged as the game's heroes.

ELSEWHERE

Go Iowa Awesome:

THE BAD: ROAD NATE STANLEY

This is Nate Stanley’s worst performance on the road against a ranked conference opponent since…well…the last time Nate Stanley was on the road against a ranked conference opponent. In 2018 it was against Penn State, when he completed a pathetic 37% of his passes for 205 yards, threw for two interceptions and was sacked three times. In 2017 it was at Wisconsin where he completed eight (8!) passes for 41 yards, one interception and was sacked four times. His QBR against Wisconsin was 6.0. Six, point, zero.

Comically, this was statistically his best performance of those three games, as he threw for 260 yards and completed a more impressive 54.8% of his passes. Unfortunately, there were also the three interceptions and, oh yeah, the EIGHT sacks. Some of those weren’t his fault (which we’ll talk about), others, like the one where he had about 5 seconds to throw the ball away as he was running towards the sideline and decided instead to take the sack, were. Stanley turtles on the road in tough conference games and his decision-making is about a full two seconds slower. That was the case when he first started and unfortunately, that’s the case in his final year.

HSR:

A win is a win. Which is something you say when your team wins ugly.  But Michigan really needed this win, which, of course, will be immediately devalued by the national press because of how bad Iowa looked, and Iowa was overrated because who had Iowa played really?  It's going to happen because it's what always happens.  But things need to get fixed this week on the offensive side.  Figure something out, because you can't keep telling the defense it's all on them week in, week out.

Sap's Decals:

DEFENSIVE CHAMPION – I’m just going to come right out and say it, the ENTIRE DEFENSE played lights-out for Michigan. I mean, this was a total TEAM EFFORT. From Don Brown mixing up his schemes and his calls, to the d-line sacking the Iowa QB eight times, to the defensive secondary getting 3 interceptions, to the linebackers limiting the Hawkeyes to just one yard rushing. It wasn’t perfect, but in a one-possession game where the offense was having problems getting into the end zone, you just knew the defense was going to have to make the last stop – and they did.

Comments

mgobleu

October 7th, 2019 at 2:44 PM ^

I usually scoff at the crowd that worships the backup QB and I do think that Shea is probably still the best QB currently, but I'm climbing on board with a change now. Nothing is working. If nothing works with Dylan then at least we tried something and we can put the argument behind us. 

Mongo

October 7th, 2019 at 2:46 PM ^

3.5 yards a carry is such a letdown in the run game.  The OL can't block this new read option offense worth a damn and Shea is not a dual-threat QB, so it is time to make adjustments.  Plus, there doesn't seem to be a well thought out game plan for the actual opponent.  Just a sheet of plays and some funky looking cards. 

There have been some good stretches of execution in the pass game.  Let's string a game plan together centered on those kind of plays.  Inside zone runs, arc read, play action pass, QB roll-outs and flood the zone with 3 levels, bombs to Collins in single coverage, quick hitches and outs to the stud WRs if they go 2 high safeties.  Let's read the defense and adjust the play calling.  Just running this zone read stuff into a stacked box is really frustrating to watch given our OL can't seem to block it ... all that beef standing up reaching from bad pad level is just not their identity.

 

maize-blue

October 7th, 2019 at 2:55 PM ^

The Michigan offensive coaches are boneheads. It's probably not a coincidence that the side of the ball Harbaugh is not involved with has been the most steady and coherent in his tenure.

I believe that turning over the offensive keys was the right decision. But selecting a 1st time OC is now looking like it may have been a mistake. How they dig out from that, I don't know because I don't think JH is a great X's and O's mind. I don't want them to go back to manball.

maize-blue

October 7th, 2019 at 4:17 PM ^

I'm starting to subscribe to a theory that Harbaugh is so conservative that it holds back his offenses and messes with the minds of his QB's. 

The common component over the past 5 seasons is Harbaugh. I have zero doubts that a majority of college football staffs could do wonders with the offensive players Michigan has.

Elise

October 7th, 2019 at 3:10 PM ^

As an alumni band member in a band that plays Temptation and Hawaiian War Chant at literally every other thing we do on homecoming, I've been really happy to play actual half-time music the past couple homecomings. When I was in the band, I used to kind of dread being part of the alumni band because it was always the same songs. I love T & W, but man... I also really like getting to learn new halftime music once a year.

Bando Calrissian

October 7th, 2019 at 6:06 PM ^

Give the people what they want on Homecoming. It's not about you. It's about giving 110,000 people something genuinely Michigan when they're back at their alma mater. Sorry, while Beyonce is great, people want to go nuts hearing the tunes that makes the MMB such a big part of their Michigan experience.

I'd also venture to guess it's going to sound a hell of a lot better when people are playing stuff essentially wired into their skulls than a piece they maybe played through twice.

jnz

October 7th, 2019 at 3:13 PM ^

Yes a change does need to be made but I honestly think it wont make much of a difference with the way plays are called. We dont seem to try to establish anything. I am tired of saying it but other teams make it look easy with either big holes to run through or receivers running all over the field open against decent to good defenses. I will use this example. Florida gets man coverage against Auburn the two wideouts go deep along the sidelines the tight end takes a backer to the sidelines leaving only a linebacker left to try and cover a the slot running a slant. Sixty untouched yards later a TD. They run the same play a couple of series later with the same result from a little over thirty yards out both done with the backup qb. Play design doesnt seem to be a strength of Gattis. He is not putting the receivers in a position to be successful.  I mean that slot from FL didnt have to make any great moves other than use the speed mismatch to his advantage. Ok I will shut up and get off my soap box.

Kermits Blue Key

October 7th, 2019 at 3:14 PM ^

Regardless of OC, Michigan's offenses have mostly been trash under Harbaugh. They have no identity or rhythm, they can't run a two-minute drill to save their lives, they play not to lose, and they almost always completely bog down against any defense with a pulse. I can't believe we are watching  one of the best group of WR's to ever play at Michigan just waste away as Harbaugh, Gattis, and Patterson try to pull their heads out of their asses. It's become so frustrating that it's almost unwatchable anymore.

Tauro

October 7th, 2019 at 3:17 PM ^

I cannot disagree with the 'play McAffrey" view.  If we are running this offense moving forward, best to give next year's QB the chance to learn it.  Might take another loss before that happens, but Shea lacks conviction to throw the ball quickly.

skegemogpoint

October 7th, 2019 at 3:23 PM ^

I think the fix is fairly simple:

1) relegate Shea to quick passes. If the quick pass isn't there, then he runs.  If he needs time for a longer developing route, then step up into pocket rather than bailing out

2) encourage Eubanks and Turner to actually hit someone when attempting to block

3) get Onwenu to pick up a stunt for godsakes

smwilliams

October 7th, 2019 at 3:23 PM ^

Somebody mentioned it already, but I think there’s a few things going on.

Shea is not a multiple reads QB. If his first read is covered, he bugs out. He’s talented, but prone to backyard football. 

I keep seeing “3 NFL receivers”, but are we sure that’s true? I know Shea misses guys, but I’m not seeing a ton of screamingly wide open people down the field. Remember the first drive when Gattis went off on Nico for running his route short of the sticks? They may have NFL measureables, but you have to run good routes as well.

Not sure why the OL is getting dragged. They’ve been fine in pass protection and not much you can do in the run game if you have one base run play. Defenses will figure out a way to stop that.

Lastly, Josh Gattis is in Week 5 of being an OC. If you get a promotion, it can take a little bit to get there. Any job. It’s why the Year 2 thing for coaches is very real. My concern is I don’t see the concepts meshing. How are we using plays to set up other things we want to do? There’s no identity on offense and Gattis is too green to develop one on the fly. Harbaugh isn’t familiar with running a spread offense so him assuming control probably doesn’t go so well. 

If you consider this season lost, you have to hope that Gattis develops next year and you have a Don Brown D with a weaponized spread offense led by Dylan McCaffrey. But, you have to let that play out. If you switch back now, you’re dooming yourself to another transition. 

mitchewr

October 7th, 2019 at 4:37 PM ^

I definitely don't think the offense should switch back. We need to power through with a more modern offensive approach...something we should have done a long time ago.

That being said, these coaches either need to start earning their paycheck or be relieved of their responsibilities. No excuses for the offense to look this pathetic at every turn.

One Armed Bandit

October 7th, 2019 at 3:31 PM ^

I was thinking the same thing about OSU. They've been doing pretty much the same thing for more than a decade. Meanwhile, Michigan has gone from Carr to Rodriguez to Hoke to Harbaugh, and his many iterations. 

I don't think it was a wrong idea to fire Hamilton. He wasn't getting the job done. However, you have to maximize your personnel's potential and Gattis, currently, can't do that. It's like when RR came in and Michigan was vastly ill-equipped to run his offense until Denard showed up and then trying to run a 3-3-5 on defense when we didn't have the people to do it right.

Michigan's been throwing stuff against the wall for years. If Harbaugh wanted to run a modernized offense, even one that looked familiar to him in terms of scheme and personnel, he could have found a more experienced OC that could have done that. Gattis is currently like Greg "Beaver" Robinson, who didn't have the first clue in how to run RRs defense. Gattis tried to implement his offense, but he is too inexperienced and might not have all the right guys to do it. Now, he's running a hybrid offense that doesn't know what it wants to be.

I feel Harbaugh should not give up on Gattis, but what needs to happen over the offseason is Gattis spending the majority learning from experienced coaches on knowing how to maximize your players' potential, game-planning and scheming for opponents' weakness and figuring out how to string consecutive, logical plays together. That's a lot, but it's better than being on an another OC who will change everything around again.

JFW

October 7th, 2019 at 3:39 PM ^

So, what I don't understand;

The first couple of years we had Harbaugh and Fisch. The offense was sweet. Alot of fun. And unique. Other teams were talking about how unpredictable we were. 

Then it was Harbaugh and Pep. Different scheme, not as unique or good, but serviceble. 

All the time you had people like Baumgardner saying this was all Harbaugh's offense, but the swings were marked in those first four years. 

Now Gattis is in, has the reins, and its a complete S*t show. 

Did Harbaugh really control things the first four years, or was he just a manager for Fisch/Pep? 

If he did build those offenses, could he at least provide guidance to gattis now. Not abandon the spread, but help him in playcalling. 

Rafiki

October 7th, 2019 at 4:43 PM ^

This is along my line of thinking. Ppl keep saying the offense has always been bad under Harbaugh but in 15 and 16 everybody thought the offense looked promising and needed talent. 17 Pep joined the team was very young and then had QB injuries. Then in 18 the offense looked good again but wasn’t maximizing its talent. That’s a far cry from “always having bad offenses.” I think Harbaugh has issues that we’ve seen more and more of over the past 5 seasons but I don't think he’s forgotten how to coach or has disengaged. There are definitely things he could be doing to work with Gattis and make improvements and I wish the writers on this site would spend more time talking about/analyzing that. Part of the appeal in coming to UM for a young OC like Gattis had to be getting guidance from Harbaugh Warinner and other experienced guys on staff. 

WesternWolverine96

October 7th, 2019 at 4:03 PM ^

it is curious to me that Harbaugh would bring in Shea as a transfer to begin with.  Seems like a lack of loyalty to those you recruited.  A lot of my Michigan men type of friends didn't like it right from the beginning.

 

But then we've seen Harbaugh be loyal to his QB starter in the past.  Many of us think McCaffery will have a bigger upside. than Shea  But we've seen Harbaugh play the wrong QB before.

At this point I think Harbaugh believes Shea is the better player and this isn't a loyalty thing.  I have no idea what's going on inside the program.  It's QB cluster at this point and it's our main weakness right now.  We can go places with better QB play.

jmblue

October 7th, 2019 at 4:18 PM ^

Aside from DPJ catching that pass at the numbers, I was annoyed that we didn't call timeout after.  Yes, it would have been our last one of the half, but there were something like 21 seconds left when he went down, and we weren't able to snap the ball again until there were 7-8 seconds.  That lost time cost us at least one play and possibly two.  I'd rather call timeout there and spike it later.

Vacuous Truth

October 7th, 2019 at 4:19 PM ^

Re: (non) Homecoming, (generic) Stadium Experience ... 

I was shocked that the band doesn't play The Victors when we win. 

The ending went: 4th down stop with 30 or so seconds to play, M kneels out the clock, crowd cheers a close win and - katie perry or some shit booms into the stadium as the two teams run out to mid field. By the time that song's over the players were already over by the student section and the crowd was filing out. They played the fight song after that but the rush that comes with "we won!" is fleeting and by then had flet.

I know it seems persnickety but jesus h christ i just felt dirty not singing the victors after a win. For goodness' sake what's the point of having the best fight song in sports if you celebrate wins by playing god  damned pit bull? no offense bri 

shoes

October 7th, 2019 at 4:27 PM ^

The 1 yard rushing is a bit misleading because of the way sacks are counted in college stats. I would prefer that sack yardage just be a separate category. Iowa did have few holes to run through, bigger for the most part than what Charbonnet was getting. I think their tailback went about 8 for 40 yds? Still great defense though.

J.

October 7th, 2019 at 4:36 PM ^

One guy had 8 for 40, yes, but the remainder of their team, sacks excluded, had 14 carries for 26 yards, for a total of 22 for 66, or three yards per carry.  That's not good.

Furthermore, it goes further than that.  Excluding Michigan penalties -- which pushes this even further out of ratio, I think -- Iowa (IOWA!) ran 22 rushing plays and 50 (!!) passing plays.  Despite the fact that their quarterback was scattershot at best, their identity is as a rushing offense, and the heavy pass rush Michigan was able to get.  Iowa simply could not pick up yardage regularly on the ground.

Chipper1221

October 7th, 2019 at 4:44 PM ^

This is the first I’m hearing of the Jim going to Ed for help on Arc read stuff. If that’s the case then let Ed run the offense the rest of the season please 

Ecky Pting

October 7th, 2019 at 4:46 PM ^

It is unfair to penalize someone when they are running in a straight line and the WR decides he needs to go through your body.

I agree with this to a point, but not on that particular play, where Vincent Gray was continuing to run in a direction that was not toward the ball. The ball was under-thrown and behind him (as the photo clearly shows) and he never got his head around to see it and adjust his momentum. As long as the players are moving toward catching/intercepting the ball, then yes, each has a right to his space and trajectory. If there's a collision at the ball, that's a football play. If there's contact before the ball arrives, someone miss-timed or took a bad line on the ball and should be penalized.

Dorothy_ Mantooth

October 7th, 2019 at 4:55 PM ^

to all the naysayers & pessimists; UM will win 3 of 4 of the PSU, ND, MSU & OSU games... the offense will finally find its stride against IL and PSU. Enjoy.

HarmonHowardWoodson

October 7th, 2019 at 5:02 PM ^

Only thing about the DPJ trick play...he can't, as a non-QB, chuck the ball out without getting an intentional grounding penalty. My understanding is that only the QB has that protection, so he would have to still throw the ball in the vicinity of a receiver. With that in mind I fully support the "live to die another day" mentality rather than throwing a potential pick.

Swayze Howell Sheen

October 7th, 2019 at 5:42 PM ^

"It is unfair to penalize someone when they are running in a straight line and the WR decides he needs to go through your body."

I wonder about this. If the rule was that you own your momentum, then just run hard at anyone slowing down and plow them over; after all, it's your momentum, right?

I get the point but I'm not sure a fix is easy.

OkemosBlue

October 7th, 2019 at 5:51 PM ^

Yes, it's time to admit that Shea probably won't be an NFL QB, but in his defense, this is the third OC he's had.  Having said that, the old conundrum is that we know how bad the starting QB is based on watching him play but we don't know how bad McCafferty and-or Milton are because we see them play at best  against 2nd or 3rd teamers.  The offense is close to being a B10 offense with Shea as QB.  Do we throw away a season away to take a chance on a QB who's been hurt 2x in the last 12 mos. and, therefore, is likely unprepared or on a QB who can throw a 100 mile and hour fast ball to a receiver 10 yards from the scrimmage? My preference would be start Shea next week but make sure that the 2nd best (injuries considered) sees lot's of playing time no matter what.

Bando Calrissian

October 7th, 2019 at 6:02 PM ^

Homecoming did have the Alumni Band, but they didn't get to do much. And since the NCAA mandated there be no seating on the sidelines for bands, the Athletic Department required a few hundred Alumni Band folk, many of whom are on the other side of 50, to stand on hard concrete without a seat for hour after hour after hour, and that's after a full morning of rehearsals, marching to the stadium, and the limited Alumni Band pregame show. There were exactly 20 chairs for the particularly infirm. Not a great situation.

As for the halftime show, yes, the Alumni Band used to play Temptation and War Chant and a lot of other Michigan classics at halftime. Now that stuff is shunted off to the postgame show so the MMB can do a standard halftime show, then bring on the old folks for a single piece of (usually non-Michigan) music at the end.

Keep those calls and letters coming. Homecoming should be, well, Homecoming. Thanks, Brian.

BBQJeff

October 7th, 2019 at 6:11 PM ^

If we believe the coaches then McCaffrey was supposed to see the field in every game.   It sucks that he got hurt (on a dirty hit) because even though he had a couple of questionable throws he was moving the ball efficiently when he came in against Wisconsin.

If he's ready to go for Illinois he should get at least a series when the game is still at a meaningful stage.  

QB switches do work out.   Think Cook over Maxwell for MSU in '13.  Book over Wimbush last year.   True freshman Tua over well established Hurts in a fricking playoff game.   Cardale Jones over JT (although that was due to injury).  

The running game is definitely improved when McCaffrey is in.   First, he is faster than Shea and second, he reads the D and pulls when that is what the D is giving.   

Alumnus93

October 7th, 2019 at 10:24 PM ^

When Harbaugh was saying McCaffrey would play, to me it felt like he wasn't happy with Shea, and was a veiled threat he better pick it up otherwise...   and I do believe Shea was benched vs Wisconsin, under the guise of injury.

Then again, I also thought he was saying same thing to Owenu, when he was saying Runyan will play in the middle, some.

markusr2007

October 7th, 2019 at 8:03 PM ^

Let's just face it. Michigan is probably going to win next week at Illinois in almost assuredly underwhelming, uncomfortable and un-enjoyable fashion.

Well, so what, dammit!

I'm planning to thoroughly enjoy the return of "Kinnick Iowa"when Frames Janklin and PSU comes to Iowa City Saturday, where he is 0-3 since 2014. Night Game and Blackout no less. Hurray for something! 

Also, there's MSU losing at Wisconsin to look forward to.

There is BPONE. But there is also TWIS. And we need more TWIS. Okay, I need it.

 

 

Watching From Afar

October 7th, 2019 at 9:29 PM ^

What I would do to be able to ask Harbaugh/Gattis a question that they HAD to answer honestly.

Actually, 2 questions.

1) Since your offense is utter garbage, is it the coaching staff or Shea that has decided to be vehemently against throwing 50/50 balls at a 2:1 ratio over all other plays?

2) What in the sam hell is your base offensive running play? Is it just a shotgun dive with some terrible blocking scheme? Or is it a read option without a read and therefore just a basic shotgun hand off with stupid blocking up front?

I know that's technically more than 2 questions, but shit at this point they owe answers to about 45 questions.

thevetdoc1

October 7th, 2019 at 10:23 PM ^

Shea is the 85th ranked QB according to the college QBR ratings. One ahead of the 86th ranked Brandon Peters. I think we now MUST say, Harbaugh is NOT a good QB coach. He does NOT evaluate talent well, he does NOT develop talent, and he is NOT willing to make a change when necessary. 

This is a QB dependent offense. If you QB cannot think quickly and is not a good runner, down the toilet it goes. The evidence is in, Shea is John Okorn 2. 

When we played Rutgers, I did see an NFL arm on the field, it was Milton. Obvious to all but our coach. What has happened to him?