[Patrick Barron]

Signing Day: The LOIs Are In, Mostly Comment Count

Brian December 18th, 2019 at 2:02 PM

Note that we'll have our signing day podcast starting at 5, although without yours truly because the only thing I'm good for right now, audio-wise, is rapid-fire coughing. Traditional Signing Day-ish TWO should run tomorrow.

Let's get it out of the way

This isn't the Catch Ohio State class, if such a thing exists. A version of the 2021 class that's spearheaded by 5* QB JJ McCarthy in which he plays pied piper to various other high-end prospects would be more along those lines. The Columbus Death Star will have a top 5 class anyway, and things will likely proceed as they have. Ah well.

Moving on from the omnipresent "but" of Michigan football…

Housekeeping notes

Folks Michigan is waiting on:

  • 4* CB CB Darion Green-Warren, who will announce at his all-star game. Bunch of Michigan crystal balls came in for him but there is USC talk, because who wouldn't want to sign up for the #76 class in the country?
  • 3* NY QB Dan Villari, who appears to be Michigan's CJ Stroud fallback. He's announcing later today.
  • 3* VA OL James Pogorelc. Pogorelc's crystal ball is 100% Stanford but maybe the Cardinal having 12 guys in the portal after a 4-8 season, including four starters, could push him away from what's hopefully David Shaw cratering. He intends to sign late. 

More names may pop up in the late period but if the last couple years are any indication that'll be a whole bunch of nothing. UT DE Van Fillinger is probably ticketed for Utah--not sure Michigan really needs a WDE type in this class anyway.

LOIs still un-faxed:

  • 3* OL Micah Mazzccua. We've heard that Mazzccua won't be signing anywhere today.
  • 3* TE Nick Patterson. Decommit rumors have swirled around Patterson for months and he did take fall visits to GT and Memphis.
  • 3* RB Gaige Garcia. Garcia's school has a ceremony scheduled for 6 PM.

Mazzccua probably won't be in the class, especially given how Michigan was searching around for another OL for the past month or two. Patterson remains a mystery.

[After THE JUMP: I give this class 3.5 stars.]

The 3.5 star class

paige

Makari Paige is just above our 3.5 star cutoff [David Nasternak]

Around these parts we frequently refer to players as "3.5 star" prospects despite no recruiting site offering rankings of that variety. We've done that because there are qualitative differences between recruits with a recruiting site or two going to bat for them and a fair selection of high end (but not elite) offers and guys towards the tail end of the top 1000, or even deeper down.

Grade inflation has made a three-star designation a catch-all for damn near everyone with a D-1 offer. There are 130 D-1 schools; the composite lists 103 QBs as three stars. Their own rankings are barely better, with 91 QBs getting three stars or better. Three stars meant little and now means nothing.

Thus 3.5 stars, which we've generally applied to guys from the 250-500 range. And that is this class, to a remarkable extent. If we set aside Mazzccua and Garcia (who has a different cost/benefit equation since he doesn't count against football unless he plays) and the only guy significantly outside the top 500 is Patterson. MA WR Eamonn Dennis and MD DT Kris Jenkins are 508 and 510. Villari will also be in from the wilderness; the guy he is replacing, JD Johnson, is 458th.

So except for one tight end and one QB flier imposed on Michigan by JD Johnson's heart condition there are zero flier recruits in this class.

The unfortunate half of the 3.5 star class: Michigan has one top-100 recruit, IL WR AJ Henning, and he checks in at #92. Only six guys are more than a dozen or so slots from 3.5 star status. There are no slam-dunk guys, and Michigan really could have used some slam-dunk guys at spots like CB and DT.

This all adds up to the #11 class in the country and the #2 class in the Big Ten, as Michigan is currently pipping Penn State by 0.16 points. It's good, it's fine, as the roster meat between the 2019 Dax Hill/Chris Hinton/Zach Charbonnet class and the JJ McCarthy/Please Recruit Some Five Stars 2021 class it should give Michigan a very high floor. But it's not a high ceiling class, and… I mean… Michigan needs some ceiling right now.

Roster trends

henning

Henning is one of a few fast guys [Nasternak]

The most obvious one: Speed in Space™. Between Henning (4.46 40, 4.08 shuttle Opening Regional), Dennis (4.52 40, 40 vert), and Wilson (4.37 40, 3.96 shuttle, 39 vert) Michigan has a strong claim to the fastest WR recruiting class in the country. The other teams in the running generally have higher-ranked WRs because their guys are able to put up similar numbers while also being 6'2" or taller. Michigan's guys are 5'10", 5'11", and 6'0". The priority: speed.

You can throw MD RB Blake Corum in this bucket too. He's 5'8" and runs a 4.4 40, pretty much the polar opposite of the Haskins/Charbonnet thunder and thunder combination Michigan went with this year. The skill position recruits this year are exactly what Oregon would do.

On defense: Hybrid Space Everything. NJ S Jordan Morant, NJ S RJ Moten, MI S Makari Page, MA LB Kalel Mullings, and NY LB William Mohan are all at least plausible vipers. Mohan is the cleanest fit and the only guy likely to be placed into the Barrett/Velazquez/Solomon + freshman melee to replace Khaleke Hudson. The others will be flung across the back seven as Michigan seeks to maintain the flexibility they had this year, when Hudson could be dropped to free safety without trouble and Josh Metellus or Brad Hawkins could pop up into the box with little dropoff.

Defensive tackle scramble

Michigan took zero guys listed at defensive tackle immediately after a football season in which their defensive tackles got obliterated in their two worst losses of the year. DT should be spot like QB where not taking one guy for each starting spot is not an option.

Michigan was unfortunate that the biggest DT prospect in the Midwest was Justin Rogers, who signed with Kentucky. As a general rule highly-rated prospects who sign with Kentucky cannot sign with Michigan even if they want to. This extended into an incredible DT dearth across the Big Ten footprint. Rogers was one of only three only four-star DTs in the Midwest and even if you expand the boundaries of the footprint to include NJ/MD/DC and the entirety of New England you only pick up three more prospects.

One, Brian Bresee, was one of the top guys in the country and ticketed for Clemson from the start. A second, Tre Williams, also went to Clemson. The third, though: Dominic Bailey of St. Frances Academy, who signed with Tennessee. Michigan didn't even kick the tires. Nor did they poke around Tonka Hemingway, the younger brother of Junior Hemingway.

Instead Michigan appears set to embark on multi-year beefening projects with Kris Jenkins and Aaron Lewis. Jenkins is actually a pretty good bet for a guy who's still listed at 239 on his 24/7 profile. His dad, also named Kris, was a four-time Pro Bowl DT, and at 6'4" leverage shouldn't be a big issue. Lewis is more of a question.

Corner issues

seldon

Seldon is a wee bit wee [Nasternak]

Michigan does have a highly ranked CB in in-state prospect Andre Seldon, but at 5'8" he seems to have a hard cap. There are no other corners in the class, and that's a nervous situation when the 2017 class seems to be petering out into Vincent Gray and nope. Adding Green-Warren would help a lot, but you have to wonder why Michigan's had a such a struggle to get touted corners in after this Jourdan Lewis/David Long/Lavert Hill/Ambry Thomas run.

CB is the spot at which recruiting rankings seem to live up to their billing most often. Falling back to the pack here will have consequences.

State of the state

Michigan picked up the #2, 5, 6, and 13 prospects in Michigan. Guys they didn't get:

  • #1 Justin Rogers, DT. As mentioned, I assume that any legit top-100 prospect who signs with Kentucky is not an option for Michigan.
  • #3 Enzo Jennings, S. Jennings signed with Penn State. Michigan offered in April but there never seemed to be any mutual interest. Michigan ended up with about 4 Enzos in this class.
  • #4 Maliq Carr, WR. Signed with Purdue. Michigan had an on-again, off-again recruitment with Carr. The "on" part was about three weeks long, but I liked those three weeks. Michigan apparently wanted him as a TE and he wanted to play WR. A jump ball guy would have been nice to add to the fast mighty-mites.
  • #7 Cameron Martinez, ATH. Committed to but did not sign with OSU. Michigan has various Martinez-alikes on the roster and in this class.
  • #8 Rashawn Williams, WR. Set to be Indiana's next ponderous but effective jump-ball guy; seemed like most big schools backed off midway through his recruitment and Indiana swooped in.

They didn't pursue #9 or #10. Michigan did offer #15 Grant Toutant (OSU) and #18 Bryce Mostella (PSU) and maybe #14 Dallas Fincher (MSU).

Notably, Fincher was MSU's top recruit in-state; more alarmingly for AXE enthusiasts with no sense of decency they only got two other guys, #20 Ian Stewart, a WR, and #23 Tommy Guarjardo, a TE. MSU damn near got shut out in-state.

Tim Drevno, star recruiter

We've given Tim Drevno a ton of crap here over the years, but let's recognize his heroic effort to get a four-star recruit to the University of South Dakota-Codington. It can't be easy to get a guy from California to relocate to a county whose largest city is 20k Watertown

[is handed note]

*THAT* USC?

[whispering]

Well even if we are talking about the University of Southern California, he still brought in their only four-star recruit

image

…and five other OL. USC could field a football team with what Tim Drevno's bringing in. The rest of the coaches not so much. The other five guys in USC's 11-man class(!!!) are 3 DTs, a kicker, and a wide receiver.

I was going to say this is the nation's #76 class, but Bowling Green must have picked someone up because Scot Loeffler's Lloyd Carr tribute band just moved in front of USC. That USC.

Comments

Monkey House

December 18th, 2019 at 3:05 PM ^

That's been my point when other Michigan fans band on me for my take on this program.  Do you feel like this team is any closer to beating osu than it was 6-8 years ago. No. Any other answer is a lie. 

No one can honestly say they aren't disappointed where this program is in year 5 under Harbaugh.  I'm I saying to fire him? No. But it's still a disappointment and change will need to happen either on the field or off of it soon. 

JFW

December 18th, 2019 at 3:27 PM ^

Brought a program that was cratered back to life. Gave us a team that is competitive against everyone not named OSU, at least in the regular season; from a team that not only lost to Toledo, had a shoot out with Akron, and not only lost to, but got brutalized by MSU. All that is pretty good. Arguably better than the teams I watched in the 90's other than '97. 

The wins against ND and MSU were fun this year. Last year all the wins on the revenge tour were fun. 

The bowl games suck but this year we are over matched and the other years honestly I just don't think the team cared. Losing bowl games isn't a historical aberration for Michigan. In 21 years Bo went to 17 bowl games and won 5. 

Admittedly, he had 13 B1G titles. But 8 of those were ties; which don't happen anymore. 

We're back, roughly, to where we were prior to RR. Which is a huge accomplisment given how low we'd gotten. We have a shot to keep building. 

 

JFW

December 19th, 2019 at 2:36 PM ^

Did I expect more? I don't know if expect is the word but I sure hoped for more. I fully admit that. But it didn't happen. And.... that's okay. Not great, but okay. And we still have success, just not as much as I wanted. 

OSU is at nearly historic highs. We're back to what we were. That sucks, but it is what it is; and I don't know that we can bridge that gap and maintain the integrity that many fans (myself included) like. We aren't going to get bagmen and we aren't going to get kids and just let them do online courses. Schlissel wouldn't allow that, I believe; and for good reason. 

Still and all, if we win in '16 maybe this is different. We were really close. 

And even without winning then, we still are playing oceans better, and it's alot more fun. You say you don't care about beating Illinois and Western. Do you just skip football season till the end of November? Would you care about them if we went 3-9 but one of those wins was a crazy upset of OSU? I'm guessing not. 

The objective reality is that we have a good football program by almost any measure. We just don't have one that can beat OSU and get into the CFP. My argument is that we have a chance to luck our way in every now and then, and maybe build up to that over time. The other alternative is to cheat (unlikely) or blow it up and hope we strike complete coaching lightning in a guy who can win crazy big within the constraints Michigan puts upon itself. Given our luck with that, I'm not on board.

AlbanyBlue

December 18th, 2019 at 4:09 PM ^

Just one point -- we don't have that great of "success" in bowl games in our whole history. Oftentimes we are pitted against a west coast or Florida school in a de facto road game, and often we get a better bowl than our record "deserves" because we are a big name and we draw well. This often puts us up against a better team than we "should" be playing....just like this year.

The historical win percentage, over a reasonable timeframe, is about 0.750 or 9-3 in the current landscape. That's Michigan.

But yes, you are right that our record against OSU is a giant fail. Reverse even just the 2016 Spot game result and JH's tenure looks different. Have someone other than JOK playing in 2017 and we might be 2-3, certainly acceptable. But that's not how it is. 0-5 is 0-5. And that needs to be part of how the JH tenure is viewed. Unfortunately, OSU is in the stratosphere now, and we're Michigan.

At least JH has gotten us back to "normal", aside from OSU.

CompleteLunacy

December 18th, 2019 at 4:29 PM ^

And yet Hoke only beat them once in 5 tries, when Luke Fickell was the coach, so I'm not sure why that even matters. The goal isn't to keep the game close...it's to BEAT them. Harbaugh got as close as Hoke did when they lost the game on one play (Hoke when they lost on a 2-pt conversion; Harbaugh when the 4th down in OT the stop that should have ended the game). Harbaugh hasn't had a chance to play against an OSU with more than 1 (non-playoff) loss yet. Think about how crazy that is!

The Baughz

December 18th, 2019 at 4:05 PM ^

I think we are all disappointed that Harbaugh hasn’t beaten OSU/won a B1G champ, but this team is light years better than they were from 2007-2014. 

Hoke was losing to Rutgers and Maryland. Has Harbaugh underperformed based on expectations and salary? Sure. But A LOT of teams wish they would have won 10 games 4/5 years.

Gulogulo37

December 18th, 2019 at 6:05 PM ^

"Do you feel like this team is any closer to beating osu than it was 6-8 years ago. "

I hate the way people keep framing the problem like this. Upsets happen. Is OSU a better program over the last 5 years? Of course. Is Michigan unlucky (yes, unlucky) to not have won at least once? Absolutely. Michigan isn't closer but they're not farther either. And they're really not that far behind.

Champeen

December 18th, 2019 at 3:13 PM ^

This is a solid class.  I think the article does a great job of explaining that the worst recruits are solid middle 3 star recruits.  In normal years we have a 2 star and a few low 3 stars that offset the one 5 star and 2 borderline 5 stars.  This year the floor is higher but ceiling is lower.  Its a nice, solid filler year.

The bigger question, as the article also explains well, is why the fuck did they not go all out for a stud DT (or 2) or a stud CB (or 2)???  Buy them each a corvette if you have to!

 

lawlright

December 18th, 2019 at 3:38 PM ^

At this point, it's literally bodies, they simply need bodies to fill in some uniforms. Are they planning to switch to a 3/5-man front? That is what the last two recruiting classes show. Maybe they are, but there will be absolutely 0 sustained interior threat which negates anything less than elite DEs, which they haven't exactly recruited the last two years.

Additionally, not a fan of the OL class, 3 is minimum every class imo, so it's OK.

Michigan has recruited a billion safeties in Harbaugh era, the ones not named Peppers, have been good, none of them great. They have developed incredible CBs to make up for the safety deficiency, but now the lack of retention and recruitment, is going to push this. The amount of good-elite CBs UofM has put into the NFL, CB recruitment should handle itself, not so the last two classes. Maybe Zordich can develop them, but he doesn't seem to be able to recruit them.

Michigan D has been good-elite because they had corners that could cover, DEs that could rush, and DTs that could impact the interior - allowing things like the viper, DE, and LBs to shine. This year we saw the interior impact lack, and the DEs/Viper/LB slump (relative to past years) because of that. This trend will continue to worsen if you have no interior DTs that can rush, and CBs that cannot defend, and a bunch of unknown safeties that haven't played a lick and haven't shown signs of elite level play in 5 years (aside from the vipers). You already know that Brown style D cannot beat OSU, so what does this level of recruitment mean for years to come? More of the same from OSU, with other losses sprinkled in to teams like W/PSU/Minn??

We pulled Rich Rod levels of WRs though and small RBs though, so we got that going for us.

This class is ranked high, because it's a high number of recruits. I disagree that this class is a good filler class, because it's really not when you place it into the roster. Idc about stars as 4 of ever 5 of every 5* UofM gets busts anyway, I care about positional recruiting to the roster at hand, and this just doesn't cut it. Maybe the transfer portal will help fix this, but that's too soon to predict.

True Blue Grit

December 18th, 2019 at 3:39 PM ^

Yes, it's frustrating with this staff that they seem to recruit certain positions really well, and others not very well.  Maybe it has something to do with the individuals recruiting these positions?  IDK.  But, not getting a true DT in this class and only getting a couple long term developmental projects is a big fail.  Especially with the known depth problem at the position.  At CB, we may still get one more good player.  But 5-8 CB's have low ceilings.  We haven't had one in recent years that did well. And I hope we don't have to take a flyer on a QB this year, but that's what it looks like.  I'd rather they just save the scholarship at this point.

Although there are some good players in this class, we did nothing to close the gap between us and the elite programs in college football.  That's a fact.  

schreibee

December 18th, 2019 at 3:21 PM ^

But they AREN'T recruiting "like those schools", and most associated with the University of Michigan (as opposed to just fans of their sports teams) don't WANT them to!

And until that model changes, if it ever does, they ain't a gonna! 

It's pretty dramatic how the crootin model has changed in the CFP era. I call it a result of the ncaa being exposed as powerless by the last Miami scandal. Compliance is optional

JFW

December 18th, 2019 at 3:29 PM ^

Pretty much. Michigan has two huge disadvantages; one is it sounds like we are sticklers about the regs. The other is that we are sticklers about having to actually go to school. Now, I'm not saying that the admission standards for football players is the same as a regular student. I know they are willing to work with kids. But they do expect them to go to class. 

Satansnutsack

December 18th, 2019 at 3:03 PM ^

Whatever happened to the segment of the crooked blue line thing with Jamie Mac? I have no idea who any of these guys are now.  Oh well, better to be surprised than disappointed.  

JFW

December 18th, 2019 at 3:09 PM ^

"Michigan didn't even kick the tires."

I've always wondered what the back story is when this happens. The kid isn't interested at all, so Michigan doesn't waste the time? Kid can't make the grade? Coaches mistake? 

schreibee

December 18th, 2019 at 3:28 PM ^

Wasn't "Top 100 player signed with Kentucky" repeated enough times? 

When Michigan doesn't "kick the tires" on a player who appears to have the football talent to help the team, we are meant to discern an implication that said player was not an academic (or perhaps cultural) fit.

What more is there to wonder? Well, "why" I guess, but hypothesizing that could impugn a young person simply to satisfy our curiosity. Not cool...

craig_james

December 18th, 2019 at 3:34 PM ^

I think with the landscape of college football how it is, we are stuck as a tier 2/3 level team, a team that will be in the top 15 more often than not, but not playoff contenders. But in the horizon I see changes that can only help. 

1. Playoff expansion. When the playoff started, we were not good. Since the playoff started elite kids have been signing with the elite teams that are a serious contenders to make it every season, Bama, Clemson, OSU. Nobody cares about going a non playoff bowl game, even the Rose Bowl. This has made the gap between these teams and others very wide and it is a hard hurdle to jump. Especially when one of those teams is your last game of the year every season. 

Playoff expansion will make it so elite talent can see hope in a Michigan level team at least making the playoff and will spread talent out a bit. 

 

2. Player compensation will benefit Michigan more than any other team. The money cannon here cannot be understated.

 

This is the kind of class that will keep us from becoming a dumpster fire, win us 9-10 games, and we will have to hold on until these changes occur and we can start making progress. 

Mongo

December 18th, 2019 at 4:20 PM ^

Unfortunately, the legal money cannon won't be enough to land those top 50 recruits.  Because cheaters are always going to cheat. So you need to add something to your list:

  • the FBI needs to investigate college football like they did college basketball and hand out a few indictments to the assistant coaches that acting as the "bagman coordinator"

If the risk of getting caught is real and going to jail is a possible outcome, then the cheating will be hugely reduced.

And I recommend the FBI starts with Zach Smith while at Florida and OSU ... there is recruiting $hit in that dirt bag of a guy.

 

Mgoeffoff

December 18th, 2019 at 3:55 PM ^

I feel like our new defensive recruiting strategy is all SDEs and Vipers. Then find them a home. Let's see how that pans out :/

Kevin14

December 18th, 2019 at 4:00 PM ^

Anybody have an explanation for the Michigan video dude talking smack on twitter today?  It seems like he no longer works at Michigan and is bitter about something.  

maize-blue

December 18th, 2019 at 4:12 PM ^

Mazi Smith and Chris Hinton will have to be very good next season or else UM will get paved again by teams with any semblance of a decent O line/run game.

They will probably have to be good for a couple of seasons as other guys beef up.

Alumnus93

December 18th, 2019 at 5:14 PM ^

Kemp is back and will be stronger as an old upperclassman. Not ideal, as a converted OLB but he did well, and paired with Hinton I think we will be much better there along with an older Dwumfour too.  This was Dantinis MO vs Hoke, playing all fifth year seniors with man strength vs Hokes freshmen and sophs. Big difference in strength.   Kemp and Dwumfour will be better.  

nMkaczor

December 18th, 2019 at 4:28 PM ^

Seems like a good class, but what really catches my eye is Clemson's 6 five-stars, more than the next two schools combined(!). It's just so laughably obvious that Clemson is paying their recruits from that stat alone. 

It's like when Harry Markopolos took one look at Bernie Madoff's numbers and knew he was a fraud. Outliers like that just don't exist without cheating, and I know we've all become incredibly jaded about the NCAA but come on already. I know pretty much every school that's in the top 3 recruiting rankings is probably cheating but sometimes it's just so obvious it makes you laugh.

Anyways, go blue and best of luck to the incoming class, they chose the right place.

The Homie J

December 18th, 2019 at 4:51 PM ^

what really catches my eye is Clemson's 6 five-stars, more than the next two schools combined

Or, stay with me, the best recruits want to play for teams that have great chances to win national titles.  You know, like how Alabama lands a billion 5 stars because you're almost guaranteed to play in a title game at some point.  This board needs to stop the "cheating" and "academics" takes.  Everybody cheats, some teams more than others.  But the biggest factor is kids wanting to play for winners.  We've managed to stay near the top 5 in talent composite despite never winning a conference title since 2004.  Does that mean we're cheating?  Why would kids come here to play when we're not likely to play for a title?  Surely we must be paying them to overcome our disadvantage there. /s

Just stop with the terrible takes.  This staff can and should recruit better no matter the circumstances.  If you want to make life easier out on the recruitment trail, win the big games that sway recruits.  Beat Ohio once in a while.  Win a B1G title once in a while.  This bowl game vs Alabama is a great chance to put our team on the map with the upcoming classes.

 

GOMBLOG

December 18th, 2019 at 7:20 PM ^

Amen, Homie.  Michigan recruits the same players as OSU, Clemson, and Alabama.  These kids aren’t coming to Michigan because they aren’t getting paid or the academies are too thought, they are going to Clemson because they don’t want to play for third place.  

outsidethebox

December 18th, 2019 at 7:38 PM ^

I agree-mostly. There is, however a problem-a systemic one where, in the interest of benefitting the players, something must be done. Here, taking a field of over 100 teams and reducing it to a playoff of 4 teams is at the top of the "problem" list.

The NCAA has constructed many off-the-field rules to regulate competition and promote fairness. Sadly, many of the regulations have been, either, poorly thought out or impossible to enforce. I do not care about the fans but the recruits/players is another matter. There are several measures that could easily be implemented to make a significant dent in the very uneven field of talent distribution that presently exists. The CFP needs to be expanded to at least 8-preferably 16 teams. There needs to be a talent limit in place to distribute the new talent across a broader field. These two measures would be very simple to implement and would contribute significantly to the betterment of the competition... and this increase in true competition is of great benefit to the players.