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Could Have, But Did Not Comment Count

Brian November 1st, 2021 at 11:59 AM

10/30/21 – Michigan 33, Michigan State 37 – 7-1, 4-1 Big Ten

Any close game is going to have its share of coulda-shoulda-woulda moments. There's always missed free throws or shots that hit the post, etc. Saturday's game will stand out in my memory for sheer quantity in this department. It felt like every third play was a Fateful Moment, from Andrel Anthony ripping through the MSU secondary for 93 yards to Blake Corum dropping a swing pass with almost nothing but grass in front of him to David Ojabo's sack-strip touchdown to having that taken off the board by the replay official.

The previous sentence didn't get out of the first half. Also it could have included several other items. You see what I mean. This game was jam-packed with stuff. Bombs! Exciting runs! Special teams disasters! Aztecs invading Europe! Four straight field goals from the same guy at the same spot on the field! Boggling attempts to substitute while the other team was going up-tempo!

Unfortunately for Michigan, the most fateful thing was the backup quarterback coming in and having a mutual misunderstanding with Corum about who was supposed to have the ball. Michigan was up three and at their 45 with seven minutes left. They had almost 500 yards of offense at that point. JJ McCarthy had already fumbled, and so there is nonstop rabbling in the Michigan fanbase this day. Ah well.

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Here, as always, the particular Michigan mania sets in to ruin everything. This is a team with a more-or-less first year starting quarterback that could bring back literally everyone on the roster except for Andrew Vastardis and Brad Hawkins. Even when you account for likely NFL departures like Aidan Hutchinson and Dax Hill, this team looks more like a team building towards a peak roster year than something for the here and now. Anthony is breaking out on offense; Ojabo is breaking out on defense.

To many programs that would feel pretty good. There are scattered outposts of Michigan fandom attempting this zen even now.

To me it's difficult to get there because this is year seven of Jim Harbaugh and it seems like the error rate is baked in at this point. Michigan took three illegal substitution penalties and failed to get lined up on several other plays because of basic college crappe like "sometimes we use tempo." When Michigan tried it themselves they ended up asking AJ Henning to block a linebacker. Then they false-started on a fourth and one attempt and the punter did not get a punt off.

You could ascribe some of that to a near-complete staff reboot. I'm not particularly inclined since this is a program that has made shooting itself in the foot in miserable fashion a trademark. Sometimes they're pretty talented and it doesn't matter until they get to the games where the opposition is capable of matching them. When they are, though, it's always Michigan turning around to hand the ball off and failing to, you know, do that.

This does not have to be fate. LSU just won a national championship with a coach they'd fire less than two years later because he is excessively horny. Whatever Ed Orgeron's assets are, they do not include "is organized" or "suitable for indoor use." But man am I inclined to jump off the moving car that is football season as soon as this stuff rears its head again. It doesn't feel like Michigan is building to anything except another Michigan Football Season where they win enough games to make you think they're going to win the important ones and then don't.

So when McCarthy's in the game because Cade McNamara is briefly in the injury tent it doesn't feel like a weird one-off that you can shrug about and leave in the past. It feels like something that's going to happen against Penn State, and Ohio State, and so forth and so on. Maybe that's irrational. At this point, expecting Michigan to do something other than one-up themselves in late game failures seems more irrational to me.      

AWARDS

Known Friends and Trusted Agents Of The Week

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#1 Cade McNamara. My pregame take was that I thought Michigan would probably win if they got equal QB play but I was very nervous about that. McNamara blew expectations out of the water with a 383 yard, 8.7 YPA day where he was lasering in pinpoint passes while under some duress.

#2 Andrel Anthony. Hello Mr. Anthony. Randy Sklar lands the second-best Hot Take of all time by predicting Anthony would break out as Michigan's #1 receiver by next year; that took about a game to seem true. Anthony outran the entire secondary on his 93-yarder, had a Braylon/Terrell leaping TD later, had the wherewithal to get out of bounds on a late first half catch, and nearly made another spectacular leaping grab late on. It's not just the catches, it's the way he made them. Looks like a future star. Maybe a current one.

#3 Aidan Hutchinson/David Ojabo. Three sacks and one erroneously deleted touchdown between them. Generally unblockable. Three points each.

Honorable mention: Erick All had ten(!) catches, building on last week, and looks like he's emerging into the kind of dual-threat weapon Michigan fans had envisioned from him for years. Dax Hill forced an INT with a PBU, had another one, and tracked down a would-be TD, for all the good that did. Jake Moody was 7/7 on field goals, four of which counted.

KFaTAotW Standings.

(points: #1: 8, #2: 5, #3: 3, HMs one each. Ties result in somewhat arbitrary assignments.)

31: Aidan Hutchinson (HM WMU, #2 Wash, #1 Rutgers, #1 Wisc, HM Neb, #2 NW, T3 MSU)
18: The OL (#1 Wash, #1 NIU, HM Neb, HM NW)
17: Hassan Haskins (HM WMU, T3 Wash, T2 NIU, #2 Neb, T1 NW), Blake Corum (#2 WMU, T3 Wash, T2 NIU, HM Neb, T1 NW)
8: Ronnie Bell (#1 WMU), Brad Hawkins (#1 Neb), Cade McNamara (#1 MSU), Dax Hill (#3 WMU, HM NIU, HM Rutgers, HM Wisc, HM Neb, HM MSU)
6: Nikhai Hill-Green(HM NIU, #2 Rutgers), Jake Moody (HM Wash, HM Wisc, #3 Neb, HM MSU)
5: David Ojabo (#2 Wisc), Brad Robbins (HM Wash, #3 Rutgers, HM Wisc), Josh Ross (HM Wash, HM NIU, HM Rutgers, HM Neb, HM NW), Andrel Anthony (#2 MSU)
4: AJ Henning (HM WMU, #3 NIU)
3: Donovan Edwards(T2 NIU), Roman Wilson (#3 Wisc), DJ Turner (#3 NW)
2: Cornelius Johnson(HM NIU, HM Wisc), Erick All (HM NW, HM MSU)
1: Andrew Vastardis (HM WMU),Mike Sainristil (HM WMU),  Mazi Smith (HM Wash), Gemon Green(HM NIU), Chris Hinton (HM Rutgers)

Who's Got It Better Than Us(?) Of The Week

Anthony takes a crossing route 93 yards to paydirt.

Honorable mention: Sack-strip by Ojabo; the other sack-strip by Ojabo; McNamara threads a needle to convert on a crossing route to All.

image​MARCUS HALL EPIC DOUBLE BIRD OF THE WEEK.

The fateful fumble.

Honorable mention: Corum drops that swing pass; various tempo follies; TD taken off the board wrongly by replay official; Johnson drops a back shoulder bomb; no PI on fourth down; more tempo follies; false start on fourth and one; subsequent punt dorf; I could keep going but will not.

[After THE JUMP: ack]

OFFENSE

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Star? Looks like a star. To reinforce the comments above, here's the not-quite catch:

The body control, range, and ability to go high-point a ball outside of his frame are all very enticing, especially when he is also capable of putting distance on an entire secondary like he did on the 93-yarder. This seems more likely to be announcing a new talent than a flash in the pan.

Aaargh. McNamara obviously had a great day but man this would haunt me if such things were capable of haunting me any more:

For one, that is an MSU defensive back bashing Johnson off his route with the ball in the air. That is a penalty. It is a very obvious penalty that very obviously should be thrown. I do not like that it was not thrown.

But also for two, why are we running a pick route against man coverage and then not throwing to the wide open guy created by the pick? Is this not supposed to be a pick route? If not, why not? I have so many questions.

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The Erick All we were promised. 10 catches, 98 yards, no drops, mismatch against linebackers, dogged blocker who may be a little light but gets after it. All was plagued with drops for the first couple years of his career, albeit on limited opportunities. The last two weeks he's been a critical, reliable option on third down. I think that will continue as well; the guy pops out as different whenever you see him run drills.

Pass protection accomplished. Michigan didn't take a sack. McNamara did have to stand in the pocket and deliver in a few uncomfortable situations; given the number of throws and the number of obvious passing downs that seems like a best-case scenario. MSU DE Drew Beesley did return for this game, as well, so that was some version of full strength. Should still be noted that MSU's gaudy sack numbers are largely a function of facing a billion passing attempts, so shutting down Georgia this was not.

DEFENSE

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Rotation gets got. The above is the long MSU rushing TD, and Kris Jenkins has just finished going upfield of his guy on a zone stretch. Jenkins was a guy to check back in on this year with a view towards being a starter-level guy next year and beyond; here he made a devastating mistake. You have to wonder whether this is another NFL transition thing; in the NFL your backups are all, you know, NFL players. So they don't do stuff like the above. Michigan's frequent DL rotation was a huge problem even when they weren't failing to get set on easy touchdowns. Michigan does not need to substitute on nearly every snap.

I mentioned the substitution penalties above. I cannot think of any other game I've seen involving Michigan or not where one team regularly attempted to substitute when the opposition wasn't doing so. In the NFL their leisurely approach to spotting the ball makes this feasible. It's hard not to draw a line straight from "new defensive coordinator who has little college experience" to the loss.

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Arriving. That is two consecutive games in which David Ojabo looked pretty analogous to Aidan Hutchinson. Ojabo's still not on his level as a run defender—he did give up one of those Walker runs which bounced outside, IIRC—but dude was still supposed to be pupating after picking up football in 2017. He even got stuck in Scotland for much of last year because of COVID. His improvement trajectory is one that points towards an all-conference DE next year.

DTs make no impact. Michigan did an okay job bottling up the ground game outside of tempo instances and missed tackles, but this was vastly different than MSU's game against Nebraska where their LOS was getting reset constantly. Michigan DTs did little of note here, getting stalemates against single blocking and not shedding. The starting DTs combined for one tackle. Tackles aren't everything at that spot, but they are an indicator.

Weird stuff. Michigan's first snap was a 6-1 with Ojabo and Hutchinson as "OLBs" on the line of scrimmage and four DE/DT types between them. Michigan frequently went to more guys on the LOS in this game—probably more DE/DT snaps here than any other game by a wide margin and relied on those guys to make it work; therefore there was often little or no second level when that did not work, because Ross was the only linebacker in the game. That proved costly, IMO: as mentioned the DTs weren't making good use of their single blocking and there were multiple instances where breaking through the first line of defense meant nobody else was available.

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Revenge of the slot fades. Another Fateful Moment occurred above, when Thorne nailed Reed on a fourth-down slot fade. Hill got caught in man coverage again and you can see how close he was to making a play, but he's a step out of phase and therefore his arm is not in a spot he can contest the ball. Michigan's attempt at a slot fade on third and three was well overthrown.

SPECIAL TEAMS

Missing Peppers. AJ Henning did not field MSU's punt after the overturned sack/strip, that turned into a 66-yarder, and Michigan ended up kicking a field goal from the 21. Their previous two plays were fade attempts because that was the thing that made sense to do given the situation. Slash 15-20 yards off that punt and Michigan has an excellent chance of getting those four points back.

Henning did make up for that a bit by ripping off another 50 yards in returns.

Moody, the mood. After the timeout sequence:

I enjoyed that. I did not enjoy Moody going 4/4 on field goals with a long of 38, because that is how you put up 550 yards and pick up two turnovers and lose a game.

MISCELLANEOUS

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Gone. The goal of replay is to correct obviously wrong calls on the field. It is not to see that a ball is definitely moving as soon as Ojabo hits the QB and to go over it frame by frame until you can convince yourself that there is a whisper of control while a shin may or may not be on the ground. The overturned fumble was the very definition of a situation where you shrug and say "call stands."

But also. Many, many complaints about every video review in this game going MSU's way, but other than the above and maybe the Reed catch he may or may not have taken off the turf I don't think there was much to complain about there.

I guess this isn't a problem since people don't turn it off. FOX was scrambling to insert every possible commercial they could. Action would stop suddenly, key moments would not be replayed, and there were multiple instances of commercial-kickoff-commercial. It took ten or fifteen minutes to be informed that the replay official did look at DJ Turner nearly ripping the ball out on an MSU two-point conversion.

Lord knows how long Jalen Nailor had been out, sporting a neon-green cast on his hand, before anyone at FOX noticed.

So at the same time all the whiz-bang was going on it was still frustrating and boring. I'd like to imagine there's some sort of breaking point at which people put their collective feet down and say no more insurance commercials, but it doesn't seem like that's coming.

Joel Klatt can be on our podcast. Because he's not very good at pronouncing names. Very good at other color commentator things, but not so good with the names.

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Best And Worst:

Worst:  Making Plays

I’ve always been annoyed with the idea of “making plays” as an idiom surrounding sports, especially those so reliant on teamwork and synchronicity like football.  It always feels like post-hoc analysis, divining merit and morality from accomplishment when oftentimes it’s simply the binary result of any football play – a team picks up more or less yards than they needed, someone did or did not catch the ball, etc.  It’s a zero-sum game, and while it’s human nature to find narrative structure in the ebb and flow of a game sometimes there really isn’t one.  Cade McNamara “made plays” all day against the same MSU secondary that decidedly did not “make plays” until Charles Brantley “made a play” by picking off a pass.  Kenneth Walker and Andrel Anthony “made plays” more consistently (but even there you have Anthony only snagging 28 yards after halftime and Walker picking up 32 yards on 10 carries in the 1st and 3rd quarters combined), while Payton Thorne and Cornelius Johnson struggled  “making plays” but then still had moments (Thorne on his dime to Reed in the 3rd, Johnson with his 4th-down reception in traffic).  R.J. Moten “made a play” on his first-quarter interception and then didn’t “make a play” on a dropped pick in the second half, while Quavaris Crouch “made a play” on Robbins’s fake punt but was also picked on all day by Erick All.  This doesn’t mean players didn’t stand out or have atypical performances that had outsized impact on the game, only that the idiosyncrasies of the game don’t lend themselves to a tight narrative of “players” and “scrubs”.

The State of Our Open Threads:

There were 476 fucks given in yesterday's open thread, which is far and away the most this year, with the next highest total being 299 fucks given during the Nebraska game. In a diary that you'll see in December, we will discuss "The Fuck Differentials", which will highlight differences in usage frequency across wins and losses, even down to margin of victory / loss (there is a "Fuck Curve", and you will see it). For now, we'll talk about yesterday - 476 fucks is not the highest we've managed in a game against MSU, but it does signal the most engagement we've had with a game in general in a long time actually.

It's companion word - "shit" - returned to a level of usage seen at Nebraska, and then exceeded that ever so slightly. There were 124 shits given, which is actually lower than I thought we would see, but compared to only 42 for the Northwestern game, it was a big jump week over week. There were 117 shits given at Nebraska and 88 at Wisconsin, so it has remained somewhat elevated throughout much of the conference schedule, as you might expect.

Here is the summary comparison of the two:

We reached a high for the season to date when it came to "fire" as well - there were 87 instances of this word, and it was the usual mix of targets as well, with Harbaugh figuring into it a little more heavily this time.

Comments

wile_e8

November 1st, 2021 at 12:28 PM ^

It's only a huge step forward because of the huge step back we took last year. The huge step forward only gets us back to the normal Harbaugh level, which we weren't particularly satisfied with before the huge step back that happened under his watch.

Lots of good but not great years are OK if you occasionally sprinkle in a great year. Harbaugh hasn't beaten OSU, hasn't won the division or conference, and has a losing record against MSU. Lots of good, but no great. 

 

MGoBlue96

November 1st, 2021 at 12:46 PM ^

This is true, alot of the I am still thrilled crowd were using last year as a base of expectations. Kinda silly to me to use such an outlier in Harbaugh's tenure as the base of expectations and when you know this team still has top 15 type talent. A return to a base Harbaugh kind of team which unfortunately means almost all the monkeys are still on the back. 

mrkid

November 1st, 2021 at 1:34 PM ^

I'm so tired of this fanbase. This game is your entire meaning in life and it shows. This is a great season so far. Ask Clemson fans if they'd like to trade places. Ask PSU fans. Or Iowa fans. Or Wisconsin fans.

I am very much enjoying this season and this season of taking a "huge step forward to normal Harbaugh level". Forget the past for a moment, look around the landscape of college football, it's great to be a Michigan Wolverine. It still has the potential to be even better.

Let's just enjoy it. We're not an Alabama dynasty. We never will be. That's not the structure of the University of Michigan. This is our ceiling. 9, 10, 11 wins, with the occasional B1G Championship and CFP berth every decade. We're not going to sell out our academics and empty the money bags to become Alabama.

Ya'll are like the nerd who thinks they can get the hot girl. We can't. Accept that. Enjoy this.

mrkid

November 1st, 2021 at 2:00 PM ^

Of course, my point was to enjoy this season and don't ruin it with all this debbie downer BS by dragging the past into it. Each year CAN be a microcosm and it CAN be enjoyable. Saturday was an epic game that didn't go in our favor. The likely scenario is that we will lose to OSU, probably in a spectacular fashion. But getting rid of a winning coach because you expect to be Alabama ain't it.

If you want to pull in the past, don't forget what 2008-2014 was like. We had a winning coach who won, 9, 10, 11 games a year and occasionally won the B1G. He retired and then what happened? I'd take this season over every single season from 2008-2014. 

Ask FSU what happens when they ran a winning coach out of town. How is that going for them? Let's watch what happens at TCU. 

MGoBlue96

November 1st, 2021 at 2:15 PM ^

Nobody is expecting to be Bama but let's be real Harbaugh is now 3-4 against MSU just as an example. There is a wide gulf between an expectation of UM should be Bama and UM should be at least finishing second in the East most years. Your throwing out strawmen. The disappointment is in no way shape of form based on an irrational belief of being Bama. 

mrkid

November 1st, 2021 at 2:23 PM ^

Have you read this message board? Michigan is not allowed to lose games. That's Alabama expectations. But the fact of the matter is that we're going to lose 2 games per year on average. Most college football teams do. Some years we may lose only 1, some years we may lose 3. We're going to trade wins/losses every other year with MSU and PSU because they're really good programs too and we're probably going lose to OSU more often than not because they're at an all-time high.

Michigan is going to beat MSU next year and even the series for Harbaugh. And then we will probably lose the following year. Everyone has the expectation for Harbaugh to be Saban and destroy our rivals year in and year out.

The expectation, whether you want to accept it or not, is for Harbaugh to be Saban and Michigan to Alabama. 

 

wile_e8

November 1st, 2021 at 2:07 PM ^

Let's just enjoy it. We're not an Alabama dynasty. We never will be. That's not the structure of the University of Michigan. This is our ceiling. 9, 10, 11 wins, with the occasional B1G Championship and CFP berth every decade. We're not going to sell out our academics and empty the money bags to become Alabama.

You realize we haven't won the B1G in 16 seasons (and don't look like we're going to win it again any time soon) and have never made the CFP, right? That's the whole problem here, we're not even demanding Alabama levels of success and this program is still coming up short. 

 Ask Clemson fans if they'd like to trade places. Ask PSU fans. Or Iowa fans. Or Wisconsin fans.

All these teams have made their conference championship game during Harbaugh era, something Harbaugh has not done. 

Forget the past for a moment, look around the landscape of college football, it's great to be a Michigan Wolverine. It still has the potential to be even better.

This is college football, we're all emotionally invested in what is essentially an NFL minor league because of 150+ years of history leading up to this season. Don't shit on this fan base because you've personally decided to be willfully ignorant about everything that makes us care about this stupid sport. 

mrkid

November 1st, 2021 at 2:31 PM ^

You realize we haven't won the B1G in 16 seasons (and don't look like we're going to win it again any time soon) and have never made the CFP, right? That's the whole problem here, we're not even demanding Alabama levels of success and this program is still coming up short. 

The 7 seasons leading up to Harbaugh were ABYSMAL seasons. Nobody would trade one of those for this season. In the last 7 seasons under Harbaugh, he has come dang close to the B1G Championship in 2016 and 2018. That's pretty dang good. The problem is, you had Saban expectations with the Harbaugh hire and you still have Alabama expectations now.

This is college football, we're all emotionally invested in what is essentially an NFL minor league because of 150+ years of history leading up to this season. Don't shit on this fan base because you've personally decided to be willfully ignorant about everything that makes us care about this stupid sport. 

I'm not being willfully ignorant about anything. The past has sucked but I can still enjoy this season. And this team. A team that's pretty good. And a season that's going pretty good. A lot better than a lot of college football programs right now. I'm just saying, I don't have to be a whiny bitch like the rest of this fanbase and crap on these kids who are pouring their hearts and souls out for our entertainment.

You're crapping on this team, the 2021 team, because you have Alabama expectations.

wile_e8

November 1st, 2021 at 2:40 PM ^

This is our ceiling. 9, 10, 11 wins, with the occasional B1G Championship and CFP berth every decade.

These are not Alabama expectations! These are what you explicitly stated are reasonable expectations for our program! And we're still coming up well short of them. In an hour you've moved the goal posts from B1G championships and CFB berths to "at least it's better than than RichRod and Hoke". 

And at no point have I crapped on this team.

mrkid

November 1st, 2021 at 3:00 PM ^

Harbaugh hasn't been here a decade. If you want to unfairly bring in 2008-2014 baggage into Jim Harbaugh's coaching tenure, that's on you. I'm expecting a B1G Championship in the next 2-3 years. Next year, this team has the potential to be great. It's not far-fetched.

I haven't moved the goal posts. I said 9, 10, 11 wins, and a B1G Championship/CFP berth every decade. We still have three years left to hit that. I'm not clamoring to fire Harbaugh.

Let me remind you:

2015 - 10-3

2016 - 10-3

2017 - 8-5

2018 - 10-3

2019 - 9-4

2020 - Screw COVID

2021 - 7-1 (Most likely finish 10-2).

That's not a fireable offense, THAT IS MICHIGAN FOOTBALL SINCE THE HISTORY OF FOREVER. WE'RE NOT ALABAMA.

brad

November 1st, 2021 at 11:31 PM ^

This is a false narrative.  First, no one has ever been Alabama except Alabama recently.  Second,  47-18 is about one game per year short of "historical Michigan." This is the reason everyone who lives and dies just a little with this program is frustrated.  We see the little things week in and week out that never happened before 2007 or so and wonder what is our team doing sometimes.

Durham Blue

November 1st, 2021 at 10:56 PM ^

I'll expect Alabama and OSU results when Michigan strings together like FOUR top 3 or 4 recruiting classes in a row.  That's simply not the case for Michigan and really never has been.  We'll hit on a top 5 class like one time every 6 or 7 years.  The rest of the classes probably average around 10th to the low teens.  So top 10 or top 15 finishes is sort of where the expectation is, for me anyway.  And unfortunately that ranking means losing 2 to 4 games per season.  And a 2-sigma type of year where the stars align and we are on the right side of officiating in pivotal games (for a change) might see us make it to a B1G CG or even the playoff.  But we will always have to slay the dragon that is OSU, or PSU or an upstart MSU with a good coach.  Who knows, perhaps this might still be that season?

Pumafb

November 1st, 2021 at 7:07 PM ^

Expecting to beat a vastly inferior MSU with a 2nd year head coach is not Alabama expectations. Michigan should beat MSU 7 out of 10 years at least. That's the talent gap between the two programs. To be happy with the chance of Harbaugh "evening" the series out next year, in year 8, is a losers mentality. Nobody can say, with a straight face, that MSU is equal in talent to Michigan. Therefore, they have superior coaching.

MGoStrength

November 1st, 2021 at 5:45 PM ^

I'm so tired of this fanbase. This game is your entire meaning in life and it shows. This is a great season so far. Ask Clemson fans if they'd like to trade places. Ask PSU fans. Or Iowa fans. Or Wisconsin fans.

One, I'd happily trade with Clemson if we can also trade the last 7 years and two NCs.  Two, PSU is 5-3.  They only lost to OSU by 11 points.  They still have the chance to get to 9-3.  I'm not convinced UM will do any better.  UM may need to beat PSU to finish ahead of them.  I'd be overjoyed if we only lost to OSU by 11 points.  Iowa is 6-2 and doesn't have a ranked team left of their schedule.  They have a realistic chance to go 10-2.  And, Wisconsin is 5-3.  They also don't have any ranked opponents left of their schedule.  Iowa & Wiscy already played their tough games against the east and each other.  UM however still has to play PSU & OSU.  It's very likely all these teams end up with the same 9-3 records at the end of the year.  They just lost early and UM will lose late.  Personally I'd rather finish strong instead of always losing our last games.

mpbear14

November 1st, 2021 at 1:07 PM ^

“If you had told me that, eight games into the season, Michigan would be 7-1…”

Can we stop with this. If you’re going to tout this line of thinking then you also have tout:

“if you had told me Washington Northwestern and Nebraska wouldn’t field bowl eligible teams and this would be Wisconsin’s worst team in a decade then 7-1 should be expected.”

 

Pumafb

November 1st, 2021 at 1:37 PM ^

That sounds great, but ask yourself this. Why is MSU, in year 2 of a head coach who took over such a disaster he needed massive transfers to fix a terrible roster, ahead of Harbaugh in year 7? Stop with the loss on the road to a top 10 team stuff. It was MSU with a new coach who had no pedigree coming in. All of that is not even considering that all Harbaugh does is lose game on the road and to top 10 opponents. Hell, he has a losing record against teams that are over .500.

Blue In NC

November 1st, 2021 at 2:07 PM ^

I agree and yes, in part that is because how terrible last year was.  But I also see a team this year that seems motivated, playing together and generally giving their best.  Yes, there are mistakes and this game was a heartbreaker, but it never seemed like we were flat or not working hard.  This team is not perfect but I find it easy to cheer for them and that is refreshing and takes a bit of the sting out of it.

kurpit

November 1st, 2021 at 12:18 PM ^

Falling apart in big games is what Michigan does best. Legitimately was not surprised at all to see things play out the way they did in the 4th quarter. I just expect it at this point. For all the "Sparty no" talk that comes up every year, Michigan is the real king of collapse.

Ezeh-E

November 1st, 2021 at 12:29 PM ^

Just like we fell apart against Washington, Wisconsin, and Nebraska this year...

Many fans and Brian included struggle with recency bias. Unless we get to death star mode, we're playing 3-5 games a year where we have a 40-60% chance to win and the OSU game. You're going to drop 2-3 of those games in most years.

Win a game and "it wasn't a big game--only OSU is a big game." Lose and "we can't win big games". This thinking is painful.

ERdocLSA2004

November 1st, 2021 at 12:38 PM ^

Recency bias?  Like 7 years recent?  Come on man, just look at the records against rivals and ranked teams.  That’s not bias, that’s fact.  Recency bias is the only reason people are happy with 7 wins against sub.500 teams and a loss to our rival.  The covid year lowered the expectations around here so much you’d think we didn’t even have enough players to field a team and needed to patch together a team from the transfer portal or something.

kurpit

November 1st, 2021 at 12:51 PM ^

>Just like we fell apart against Washington, Wisconsin, and Nebraska this year...

 

Claiming that wins over Washington and Nebraska teams that might not make a bowl (or won't make a bowl in Nebraska's case) are big wins makes it seem like you're just lowering the bar in order to pat Michigan on the back. The Wisconsin win should look decent by the end of the year because the B1G West is kinda ass, but you're fooling yourself if you think 2021 Wisconsin is a great team.

MGoStrength

November 1st, 2021 at 5:49 PM ^

Just like we fell apart against Washington, Wisconsin, and Nebraska this year...

You have to look at end of year rankings, not rankings when they play.  Maybe Washington, Wisconsin, & Nebraska will finish with 9-3 type records or maybe not.  But, none of them are having as good of a year as we thought we UM played them.  This is not the 10+ win Wisconsin teams from a few years back. The o-line and RBs are not on that level.

zapata

November 1st, 2021 at 2:48 PM ^

Yeah kinda. While I'm really not super down on Harbaugh or Michigan, when I read this: " At this point, expecting Michigan to do something other than one-up themselves in late game failures seems more irrational to me," I thought, "so the new meme is gonna be 'Wolvie no!"

gustave ferbert

November 1st, 2021 at 12:18 PM ^

The comment about every call going sparty's way.  Where there were only two that were questionable.  That was enough.  The sack/fumble/touchdown was going to be debilitating for Sparty.  When that happened, I was watching with a mixed crowd, Sparty fans began leaving.  That was going to break their spirit.   Damn you refs.  

1VaBlue1

November 1st, 2021 at 1:32 PM ^

Only two video reviews were questionable - and Michigan lost both.  The other 4 video reviews also went poorly for Michigan, but were correct calls.  There were several others that were not video reviewed that were just plain bad calls/no-calls.  The top three are the no-call tackle on Hinton that sprung Walker's big TD run; the hold on Anthony where two players were mutually blocking each other to no effect on the play; and the no-call DPI against CJ.

Both teams played hard (and unusually clean for this game), made plays, left plays on the field, and made errors.  Everything we love about college football.  Unfortunately, the ref show swung the final score too far for one team to compensate...

TheJimandI

November 1st, 2021 at 12:18 PM ^

Can someone talk me off the ledge? I’ve been a Michigan fan since 2003 and I’ve been fairly consistently disappointed. That’s fair, right?

The one exception being the 2008 outback bowl. I cried tears of joy watching the team take Lloyd Carr out with a W. A couple of ND wins in there, but I find them to be grossly overrated in general. 

I would like just one, giant surprise win, where the team comes together and just plays their asses off in a win against a GREAT opponent.

Just. One.

please.

Kilgore Trout

November 1st, 2021 at 12:36 PM ^

I get it. I will just say that if it does all come together and happen, it is amazing and worth it. Michigan had 4 straight 4 loss seasons heading into 1997 and although I was only 18 at the time, I think the vibe around Carr was not great. But, 1997 happened and it was so awesome. No guarantee it happens again, but the payoff is so worth it if it does.

Angry-Dad

November 1st, 2021 at 1:49 PM ^

It was awesome (I was 22) I was use to Michigan dropping games it should not and losing close games every year for a long time.  That was with Bo, with Mo, and with Carr.  So the number of loses under Harbaugh is not the difference.  I think the difference is the games he loses.  Carr beat MSU his last 6 seasons.  Had a decent record against OSU until the last several years, but even in those years he was competitive against OSU(lots of one possession games).  Also, those other Michigan teams could share Big 10 titles so two or sometimes 3 teams could claim a big ten title.  With the BCS followed by the new playoff format even big bowl games seem like minor achievements.  

It's much easier to handle a weird loss at NW or Iowa if you are beating MSU and OSU on a regular basis. But when the stars allign like in 97 it really is something special.  Historically that just does not happen for Michigan (or most programs). 

All that to say the system has changed and the rivalry games have been painful which makes it all look worse than it probably is.  Sprinkle in some alternative history that Michigan was a yearly national contender and you get a "what have you done lately" story line with the answer being "pretty much what we have always done."

blanx

November 1st, 2021 at 12:19 PM ^

Yup.  I am so very tired of watching Michigan, regardless of who the DC is, treat tempo like a freaking magic trick.  It's not wizardry, and the inability to react, or call a timeout at the end of the first half should warrant someone's job.

 

And anyone who thinks that this is an overreaction, tell me you don't think OSU will/can run tempo.  You KNOW there will be no reaction by Harbaugh to this. 

If you think I'm wrong about that, let's play poker for money.

AmaizeingBlue

November 1st, 2021 at 12:22 PM ^

Re: the 4th and 3 pick play that McNamara threw to the “pick” guy. 
 

According to space coyote and McNamara himself, that isn’t a designed pick play and you read it inside to outside. McNamara read the LB bite towards the flat, so the read necessitated the throw to CJ on the slant. Issue being CJ was clearly interfered with (the pick) and the refs are cowards. 

gtwill

November 1st, 2021 at 12:27 PM ^

If you asked me on September 3 if I would fast forward to Halloween and be 7-1 and ranked around #10, I easily would have taken it. Even if the loss was to Sparty. Go Blue!