You have to pay them what they're worth if they're drafted. Otherwise you could be drafted by a great team, and not be called up until your a senior even if you're more than ready. Delaying your second contract by several years is a big deal. Could maybe have a pay scale that pays them a little bit less if they stay in college, but not that much. If the NCAA has a problem with often underpriveledged kids getting paid and getting college credits/board etc they can &^@%#%^
The slight down side is NBA scouts would have a year less to evaluate prospects and see how they're developing. Does that trump a kids right to be drafted. Probably not
Doesn't have to be in the top 20 to be worth keeping. Think he is hard to get value for right now. His upside is too high even though there are troubling signs. His free throw attempts/per game have declined by 3 this year, and his blocks have fallen the last two years. Shows a lack of confidence and aggressiveness. Unless he gets his free throws over 50% he likely won't be able to reach his potential. FT's have improved a bit. He doesn't always play with high effort/awareness, and has always looked a bit heavy. But at 23 he is one of the most physically talented players in the nba, with great touch around the basket and rebounding.
Chandler Parsons, Deandre Jordan, Allen Crabbe, Kevin Love, Evan Turner, Greg Monroe, Ian Mahinmi, Timofey Mozgov all make between 16 and 20 mill. Some are bad contracts, but with the growing salary cap its not unreasonable to pay a productive option that much. Made me realize KCP is probably worth 20 even though it seems high.
Reggie is too disruptive to chemistry, and should be traded for expiring contracts if necessary. We won six of seven with ish and beno before Reggie came back. Not the long term option but sometime facilitators who know their role and knock down mid range jump shots can get the job done.
If you agree the pistons weren't going to win any more championships with the 04 starting five, after the 07-08 season, after losing back to back conference finals 4-2, then you decide to break up the team.
2 options: 1) Slow rebuild through the draft or 2) Quick reload.
Joe D chose 2) and traded Chauncey for Allen Iverson aka 20 million in cap space a yr later. Unfortunately, and literally, the only two "good" free agents on the market were Ben Gordon and CV. BG had just come off of scoring all of his teams points in a reggie miller-esque playoff run, and CV still had promise.
Should Joe D have known there weren't going to be any good free agents. Perhaps. However, you do not know who is going accept their player options, which teams will protect restricted free agents, and utilize team options, so there is alot of uncertainty.
This leaves the draft. If you want to question his draft record, then I'd say you have to look at who would have been a better pick. Darko (melo, bosh, wade) and Austin Daye (jeff teague, jrue holiday) both stand out, because of who was selected after them. Besides that, he's drafted well. The NBA is littered with his 2nd rd picks (affalo, amir johnson, singler, jerebko, delfino, mehmet).
I'm not saying he's infallible, and shouldnt be criticized, but it should be on the right terms. He's guilty of not tanking, and trying to maintain a winner, which exacerbated winning. There's no certainty either way, but i do think we have a bright core, in drummond moose, knight, kcp and singler. With Moose and drummond inside, who do you leave open for three? SIngler, KCP, or Knight?
If you agree the pistons weren't going to win any more championships with the 04 starting five, after the 07-08 season, after losing back to back conference finals 4-2, then you decide to break up the team.
2 options: 1) Slow rebuild through the draft or 2) Quick reload.
Joe D chose 2) and traded Chauncey for Allen Iverson aka 20 million in cap space a yr later. Unfortunately, and literally, the only two "good" free agents on the market were Ben Gordon and CV. BG had just come off of scoring all of his teams points in a reggie miller-esque playoff run, and CV still had promise.
Should Joe D have known there weren't going to be any good free agents. Perhaps. However, you do not know who is going accept their player options, which teams will protect restricted free agents, and utilize team options, so there is alot of uncertainty.
This leaves the draft. If you want to question his draft record, then I'd say you have to look at who would have been a better pick. Darko (melo, bosh, wade) and Austin Daye (jeff teague, jrue holiday) both stand out, because of who was selected after them. Besides that, he's drafted well. The NBA is littered with his 2nd rd picks (affalo, amir johnson, singler, jerebko, delfino, mehmet).
I'm not saying he's infallible, and shouldnt be criticized, but it should be on the right terms. He's guilty of not tanking, and trying to maintain a winner, which exacerbated winning. There's no certainty either way, but i do think we have a bright core, in drummond moose, knight, kcp and singler. With Moose and drummond inside, who do you leave open for three? SIngler, KCP, or Knight?
Don't understand how this is "ANOTHER," bad Joe D pick. We've gotten Moose, Drummond, and Knight last three drafts, and have a good track record in the second rd. Everyone wanted Darko, especially because teams had limited access to him before the draft, and didn't know his affinity for clubbing, and not working.
Brandon is a PG, who turned himself into a 190 battering ram, to bounce off every center in the nba, because we had no one else who could get to the rim, and he couldn't pass to himself.
KCP is a starting nba shooting guard. Not a star, but the pistons have always been about the sum is greater than its parts.
Grew up in A2 and a Michigan alum, but I still loved the Flint-stones. Duke is Christian laetner, JJ Redick, Bobby Hurley, Greg Paulson, and Krzyzewski. Izzo runs a good program.
Many charge calls are too close to call and/or involve flops. No-calls allow refs to not reward the defensive player for going down too easily, nor the offensive player for initiating the contact, and resolves some cases of glancing contact. Plus, it takes pressure off the refs, from feeling like they have to make a call everytime theres significant contact, ala the craft play.
Also interesting, NBA Tv runs a segment in which the Referees association sends a liasion to discuss rules and officiating. Apparently, the nba doesn't look at whether or not the feet are moving prior to contact, but whether the body and shoulders are squared. - Case in point, there needs to be systematic and consistent examination/resolution, to the issue of charge calls at all levels of bball.
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You have to pay them what they're worth if they're drafted. Otherwise you could be drafted by a great team, and not be called up until your a senior even if you're more than ready. Delaying your second contract by several years is a big deal. Could maybe have a pay scale that pays them a little bit less if they stay in college, but not that much. If the NCAA has a problem with often underpriveledged kids getting paid and getting college credits/board etc they can &^@%#%^
The slight down side is NBA scouts would have a year less to evaluate prospects and see how they're developing. Does that trump a kids right to be drafted. Probably not
Doesn't have to be in the top 20 to be worth keeping. Think he is hard to get value for right now. His upside is too high even though there are troubling signs. His free throw attempts/per game have declined by 3 this year, and his blocks have fallen the last two years. Shows a lack of confidence and aggressiveness. Unless he gets his free throws over 50% he likely won't be able to reach his potential. FT's have improved a bit. He doesn't always play with high effort/awareness, and has always looked a bit heavy. But at 23 he is one of the most physically talented players in the nba, with great touch around the basket and rebounding.
Chandler Parsons, Deandre Jordan, Allen Crabbe, Kevin Love, Evan Turner, Greg Monroe, Ian Mahinmi, Timofey Mozgov all make between 16 and 20 mill. Some are bad contracts, but with the growing salary cap its not unreasonable to pay a productive option that much. Made me realize KCP is probably worth 20 even though it seems high.
Reggie is too disruptive to chemistry, and should be traded for expiring contracts if necessary. We won six of seven with ish and beno before Reggie came back. Not the long term option but sometime facilitators who know their role and knock down mid range jump shots can get the job done.
If you agree the pistons weren't going to win any more championships with the 04 starting five, after the 07-08 season, after losing back to back conference finals 4-2, then you decide to break up the team.
2 options: 1) Slow rebuild through the draft or 2) Quick reload.
Joe D chose 2) and traded Chauncey for Allen Iverson aka 20 million in cap space a yr later. Unfortunately, and literally, the only two "good" free agents on the market were Ben Gordon and CV. BG had just come off of scoring all of his teams points in a reggie miller-esque playoff run, and CV still had promise.
Should Joe D have known there weren't going to be any good free agents. Perhaps. However, you do not know who is going accept their player options, which teams will protect restricted free agents, and utilize team options, so there is alot of uncertainty.
This leaves the draft. If you want to question his draft record, then I'd say you have to look at who would have been a better pick. Darko (melo, bosh, wade) and Austin Daye (jeff teague, jrue holiday) both stand out, because of who was selected after them. Besides that, he's drafted well. The NBA is littered with his 2nd rd picks (affalo, amir johnson, singler, jerebko, delfino, mehmet).
I'm not saying he's infallible, and shouldnt be criticized, but it should be on the right terms. He's guilty of not tanking, and trying to maintain a winner, which exacerbated winning. There's no certainty either way, but i do think we have a bright core, in drummond moose, knight, kcp and singler. With Moose and drummond inside, who do you leave open for three? SIngler, KCP, or Knight?
If you agree the pistons weren't going to win any more championships with the 04 starting five, after the 07-08 season, after losing back to back conference finals 4-2, then you decide to break up the team.
2 options: 1) Slow rebuild through the draft or 2) Quick reload.
Joe D chose 2) and traded Chauncey for Allen Iverson aka 20 million in cap space a yr later. Unfortunately, and literally, the only two "good" free agents on the market were Ben Gordon and CV. BG had just come off of scoring all of his teams points in a reggie miller-esque playoff run, and CV still had promise.
Should Joe D have known there weren't going to be any good free agents. Perhaps. However, you do not know who is going accept their player options, which teams will protect restricted free agents, and utilize team options, so there is alot of uncertainty.
This leaves the draft. If you want to question his draft record, then I'd say you have to look at who would have been a better pick. Darko (melo, bosh, wade) and Austin Daye (jeff teague, jrue holiday) both stand out, because of who was selected after them. Besides that, he's drafted well. The NBA is littered with his 2nd rd picks (affalo, amir johnson, singler, jerebko, delfino, mehmet).
I'm not saying he's infallible, and shouldnt be criticized, but it should be on the right terms. He's guilty of not tanking, and trying to maintain a winner, which exacerbated winning. There's no certainty either way, but i do think we have a bright core, in drummond moose, knight, kcp and singler. With Moose and drummond inside, who do you leave open for three? SIngler, KCP, or Knight?
Don't understand how this is "ANOTHER," bad Joe D pick. We've gotten Moose, Drummond, and Knight last three drafts, and have a good track record in the second rd. Everyone wanted Darko, especially because teams had limited access to him before the draft, and didn't know his affinity for clubbing, and not working.
Brandon is a PG, who turned himself into a 190 battering ram, to bounce off every center in the nba, because we had no one else who could get to the rim, and he couldn't pass to himself.
KCP is a starting nba shooting guard. Not a star, but the pistons have always been about the sum is greater than its parts.
Grew up in A2 and a Michigan alum, but I still loved the Flint-stones. Duke is Christian laetner, JJ Redick, Bobby Hurley, Greg Paulson, and Krzyzewski. Izzo runs a good program.
Many charge calls are too close to call and/or involve flops. No-calls allow refs to not reward the defensive player for going down too easily, nor the offensive player for initiating the contact, and resolves some cases of glancing contact. Plus, it takes pressure off the refs, from feeling like they have to make a call everytime theres significant contact, ala the craft play.
Also interesting, NBA Tv runs a segment in which the Referees association sends a liasion to discuss rules and officiating. Apparently, the nba doesn't look at whether or not the feet are moving prior to contact, but whether the body and shoulders are squared. - Case in point, there needs to be systematic and consistent examination/resolution, to the issue of charge calls at all levels of bball.