Utah Retains DC Morgan Scalley After Investigation of Racial Slur in Text Message
This...Just...I cant...whatever, fuck you 2020
Well, he did just lose out on over a half-million every year because of this.
Can I use this phrase and make T-Shirts out of it? Best short summary of the last 60 days I have seen!
Depends...what kind of tickets you have coming in?
Remember that meme in some recent year (2017?) about how it was the worst year ever because, like, three celebrities died?
I'm sure it won't be a popular opinion around here but in order for anything to change people need to be given the opportunity and education to change.
You mean in the 7 YEARS since the tweet?
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Naaaaaah, emotionally lead mob-rule is clearly best. Has worked out wonderfully throughout history!
Isn't that how we got rid of Brandon? Let's not retire the torch and pitchforks just yet.
Not all mobs are created equal. That was largely a protest that lead to a proper formal investigation by the admin, which is good. The bad comes when mobs are judge, jury, and executioner themselves instead of wanting to follow due process. Those are the types my sarcasm was targeting.
You mean like CHAZ? Or was it CHOP? That worked well......
"Suppose one of you has one hundred sheep and one of them goes missing. Does he not leave the other 99 and go looking for the one who is lost? And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders and goes home. He calls his friends and neighbors and says 'rejoice with me! I have found my lost sheep'."
-Jesus
1.) I'm not sure that "people should have the opportunity and education to change" and "people should keep their job after serious misconduct" are remotely close to the same.
2.) Setting aside the personal development stuff, as DC he has an extraordinary amount of authority over his players. Is it good or right that he has that authority, in light of this? (I guess I see this primarily as a story about the students he supervises and how his being retained impacts them, whereas you see this primarily as a story about the DC's career. Different perspectives!)
1) You don't know that it was misconduct. He used a word. You don't know the context. We agree he used a word he shouldn't have, but that doesn't mean he was intending or meant anything derogatory. If he talks to his players, explains his comment and they agree to play for him, that matters a lot. I'd like to assume Utah is vaguely conscious of the idea that retaining a member of their staff who had committed serious misconduct would be ... detrimental. As such, their retaining him suggests their investigation implied it wasn't as serious as it could have been. His punishment makes clear it wasn't at all overlooked, but maybe it wasn't a chicken little event.
2) I care about what his player's thoughts are. I'm not prepared to judge him without more info.
I am extremely, extremely confident that Scalley using the N-word to describe a player is misconduct. That's a hill I'm willing to die on, because I literally cannot imagine a context where it is acceptable and defy you to produce one.
Given the history of the N-word in the United States, it is beyond belief that he did not intend or mean anything derogatory by it. Literally beyond belief.
I've heard the term used to describe an athlete. Period. "that's my .... " Regardless of race.
More importantly, YOU don't need to imagine one, neither do I. HE does, and he needs to convince his players of same.
I'm not looking to defend the guy, but do I think he needs to be fired for words? It's what's in a person's heart that matters to me. Clearly you're not up to that standard, sorry.
For clarity, since I don't have much respect in your imagination -
In the same vein as Don Brown calls people guy vs. dude. He's a dude, he's a ---
Please note, I'm not saying it's a good thing or bad, you asked me to offer up a usage where it is not derogatory. I'll go further to say I think it's a bad idea - but there's lots of bad ideas out there, that's part of life.
I agree completely about the opportunity to change and I believe in redemption, but this happened in 2013. We're long past the time when this may have been common vernacular.
He knew better, but did it anyway. That's a character issue.
What's the backstory here? How did this text message resurface?
A text from 7 years ago just cost this man $575,000. Wow. Be better Utah. Kudos for keeping him on staff, but for Pete's sake......a half a million dollar tweet?
Do you think it would have been appropriate for them to move forward with the raise and coach-in-waiting status after this came to light? What kind of message would that send to fans, players, recruits, and parents?
I understand that in light of today's world, they had to respond in some fashion, else they would have been crucified by members of a certain movement.
I just think its awful that a comment made 7 years ago can have this lasting of an effect. The man showed contrition and is willing to educate himself now to show he isn't the man that tweeted that 7 years ago.
You think coaches need education to not text the n-word to recruits?
It wouldn’t be much different than retaining him.
I thought he texted something to a recruit, not a tweet, and if this is how he feels, that says a lot. I honestly don't care one way or the other, but if they no longer are able to go into the homes of black people to recruit, he won't have a job for long.
#1. My Cynical Reply: In other words, Utah thinks this guy can help them win games still.
#2. My Hopeful Reply: The coaches got a bunch of their African-American players together, separate from this coach, and said, "Have you seen signs of racism from this guy? What do you think of him? Can you play for him, or do you need him to go? Give us an honest answer, and that is how we will proceed."
I sincerely hope #2 happened...
Well, we'll see if there's a player-led protest as a result or not.
I hope there isn't. I mean, it's not like this was REALLY bad, like some random nobody student sending a Tweet! THAT would be cause to shut everything down!
Hahaha! Great point. What a total joke going on at K State.
Forget everything. Forget the charged environment we are in. Forget your political views, whatever they are. Forget the question of whether or not Kansas State can lawfully expel him for an offensive Tweet. Even forget the content of the Tweet itself. If you still don't want to punch this kid in the face, there is something wrong with you..
Amen! He needs to be punched. Hard.
Why are 110 jock football players so pissed at what this dude thinks???
I thought this fuckwad was on student body governing boards or something. I.e. not exactly power but he's in a postion he likely need not be in with his racist views.
does kinda look like a weasel
He did choose a nice shade of lipstick though.
Moral of the story, I know it’s hard for some of you to understand...but racism is bad in any form, especially when it’s in a text when you have the opportunity to think about the text, possibly delete it but then send it anyway. I’ve never sent any racist texts ever, it’s not that hard to avoid...
So you are demanding the resignations of Jimmy Kimmel, that prick Canadian PM who dressed I in blackface so often he couldn't even guess how many times he'd done so, the writers of that episode of Community they just quietly pulled off Netflix? And a million other things?
Sure. Jimmy Kimmel sucks, get someone else on TV. I'm surprised Trudea made it out, there a tons of great Canadien politicians. They don't need him, I wish they'd throw him out.
I'm not sure what the Community Episode is, I'd have to see it to make my decision.
But for your first two, I'm completely fine with them resigning.
Dammit, which Community episode?! Just started watching recently, am now into season 3.
Advanced Dungeons & Dragons. You've seen it, season 2 I believe.
Dammit I'm dumb, I'm only into Season 2, just watched the "Mean Girls"/mean Abed episode. So I won't get to see this one (I'm sure where there's a will there's a way)
I'm not sure you think you're owning him by asking him if he endorses blackface. Yeah, doing blackface -- in the fucking 21st century! -- is a disqualifying offense. It's a horrible thing to do in its own right and suggests a total failure of judgment.
I'm asking for consistency, and I'm hoping we can acknowledge degrees. As a society we've let Kimmel slide with his weak ass apology - which he didn't even really finish before it was immediately redirected toward political foes. Imo he needs to be suspended and taken to task with much vigor than Karens being sacrificed today. His racist and sexist "comedy" was seen by millions, no doubt reinforcing negative stereotypes among those open to that message, and encouraging the belief that women could br treated as toys of men. He no doubt contributed toward violence against both communities. But he's a democrat now, so few on that side of the aisle are calling for his cancel. I'd be willing to forgive of I saw contrition, but I don't.
Trudeau and that prick governor in Virginia, holy shit an unholy embarrassment that these men haven't been forced into sewer with Matt Lauer.
Community I forgive - the nature of what they were doing was acknowledged in the episode, and anyone who watches that show would get they're not racist.
Amen. My friend. Consistency is key. Wish there was more of it.
Generally comedians get a much longer leash with this stuff, but since Kimmel is not funny or original, I'm not sure he qualifies.
This is the first I've read about this story in any format, and I'm replying with an intent to add context. I didn't click the Yahoo link; I'm literally coming at this cold.
I don't know how he intended whatever it is he wrote. I don't know if he wrote a joke, wrote a word he didn't understand, or if indeed he is racist and intended it as a slur. The odds that a D1 coach is going to deliberately use a slur in social media strikes me as ... unlikely. Even in 2013 people were getting called out for past comments. So to me, the odds are he wrote a poorly thought through joke. Again, I have no context, this is just, 'here's how my brain reads this story...'
In a world where every single literate person alive has said, written, or done something that someone else could conceive of as heinously inappropriate, we as a society have two choices... 1) cancel anyone whenever we find something the crowd says is tainted - which is to say, banish them from all society, build leper colonies of those the mob has deemed unworthy. 2) Evaluate the situation like adults. Utah has no desire to be racist or demeaning to their students, in fact they have huge incentives to be MORE than accommodating to their minority students in the current environment. If they are keeping this guy, the odds are there's an overwhelming amount of evidence that the ... error was one of stupidity, and not malice.
You can assume he's a walking apostate if you want, but there's no rational support for that thought process as far as I can tell. Utah the university isn't that dumb, rational people came up with this punishment, and I assume it includes some classes on sensitivity.
All caveats above - if I get more info, I absolutely can and probably will adjust my opinions. If it turns out the guy's a genuine racist, by all means fire him, let him go work for the <we are crappy humans> store in <crappyville> making minimum wage for the rest of his life. For now, I assume he wrote something stupid. And if people were fired every time they said/wrote something stupid, well, at least Internet chat boards would suddenly and quickly become a great deal more civil, but still...
Best post in a non-sports topic on this blog in a LONG time.
(which is most topics on here these days)
It wasn’t social media, it was a text meant for the coaching staff that he sent to a recruit’s girlfriend on accident about recruiting N***ers.
"I don't know how he intended whatever it is he wrote. I don't know if he wrote a joke, wrote a word he didn't understand, or if indeed he is racist and intended it as a slur."
Then perhaps you should educate yourself on the circumstances of the incident before typing out a longer post.
Wouldn't that be the sensible thing to do?
I'll help you get started. It wasn't a joke. He meant to send that text to a coach and accidentally sent it to someone else.
That implies...a lot of bad things. If he's comfortable sending it to a fellow coach on staff, what do you think it says/implies about the other coaches and how they view the racial slur?
I've always believed racism is an evil that stems from a lack of perspective and maturity.
It says something that you take my intent to inject perspective and maturity into a discussion and suggest that my lack of specifics has any bearing on my intent. Are you prepared to suggest that's a position that improves situations? I would struggle with that argument. Let's all jump forth and have an immediate emotional reaction, that never causes any harm, really!
By the way, the term would be "inform yourself". This isn't a subject that requires systematic instruction. Perhaps you should improve your understanding of basic definitions before typing out a reply. Wouldn't that be the sensible thing to do?
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It is not ok to use derogatory terms, period. What I'm interested in is deeper though. Why did he use that term, in what context, what was the culture of the other coaches. Was it actually racist or was he using a term that implied context to those he intended receipt? If it was racist, by all means, burn him at the stake or whatever it is you do, send him to the showers permanently. But if it wasn't, if it was just a term, and there was no insult intended, then maybe we can look and say, well, the guy's lost millions of dollars in salary, potentially millions more by cutting off his promotion, and one would hope some sensitivity classes, doing some public apologies to his players, his coaches, the person who received the text, etc. Maybe, just maybe, he's grown.
Can that word be used in a non-derogatory way? You may say no. You told me to "educate myself" in a very derogatory way. You're not qualified to judge me, but you felt justified in doing so anyway. Opposite examples don't prove, but if nothing else, music where the word is used is proof positive that context is what matters, and intent has more power than the word in and of itself.
He didn't take your "intent to inject perspective and maturity" and reject that. He took your actual failure to inject perspective and maturity into the discussion, by choosing to evaluate this without doing any research, and rejected that as dumb -- which it was.
Your take is straight-up insane. There is no context where a coach calling a recruit the N-word is acceptable. The intent suggested by that word is so, so obvious that it defies belief that you're pulling this credulous bullshit.
What's more remarkable to me is you're looking to this guy's intent. I think it was obviously malicious; again, the connotations of the N-word in the white coach - black player context are so obvious that I think you're either in bad faith or seriously socially maladjusted to not see it. (Here's your context.) But, fine, let's say -- and again, I don't believe this -- that he had a heart of gold when he was describing his player as an N-word. Who cares? The word's impact on others is what matters here. We can sit on our armchairs and go "well, we can't know his intent unless we read his mind, so we can't say if he's a racist, so we can't say if his use of the N-word is good or bad" or we can say "his use of the N-word was profoundly disrespectful and hurtful to people, so it was bad." I'm in the latter camp, and glad to be.