usmnt replacements for (probable) game against Argentina

Submitted by tasnyder01 on

Bedoya, Jones, and Wood out.  Who do you think replaces them, and do you think we switch formation?

Assuming we keep the same formation, options look limited at striker.  Zardes, Wondolowski, and ?Pusilic?  

If we move Zardes over -- which I don't like -- then we're replacing three midfielders.  Dagbe looks like an obvious replacement, but who would be the other replacement(s)?  Beckerman as a second DM?  

My best guess: 4-2-3-1

Yedlin      Cameron       Brooks      Johnson

                Beckerman    Bradley

 Dagbe                   Deuce                   Zardes        

                              Wondolowski

 

With Pusilic coming on late as we're down.   

 

ken725

June 17th, 2016 at 12:48 PM ^

If it is 4-2-3-1 I like

Yedlin    Cameron     Brooks         Besler

                  Beckerman         Bradley

Zardes                  Nagbe                     Johnson

                               Dempsey

 

I like this better since it means Wondo is not a starter.

Needs

June 17th, 2016 at 12:59 PM ^

This is what I'm hoping for. It allows Johnson to drop back to help Besler (and he's going to need help) but free enough to move forward when US has possession. Nagbe's better in the middle than out on the wing. Beckerman allows Zardes a little more freedom to try to attack. And it leaves Pulisic, then Wondo, available to come on as subs if we need a goal. 

Don't know what Wondo would add to the team as a starter, other than getting in Dempsey's way. He's certainly not one to make the kind of runs that Wood was making and not the kind of player that's going to be particulalry effective on the break.

I fear that we're going to see Wondo, Zusi, Beckerman.

hammermw

June 17th, 2016 at 1:19 PM ^

Johnson is world class on the wing and looked very unfortable in his two games at left back. Definitely get Nagbe in the middle and I would go with Zusi on the left moving Zardes up front. I would be mad about Leaving Dempsey alone up top, keeping Zardes on the wing and getting Beckerman in a 5 man midfield either. We will be doing a lot of defending.

DairyQueen

June 17th, 2016 at 1:47 PM ^

Yea, I don't know where that comes from either.

If I remember correctly Beckerman played amazingly, to many's surprise, in 2014 WC.

Not that that means anything, but, in sports there certainly seem to be some players that for whatever reason either rise or sink to their competition level (I feel like the wings did this a lot when they had great teams), playing really crappy against lower-tier opponents, but doing really well against top competition.

tasnyder01

June 17th, 2016 at 2:25 PM ^

Don't like him either; can't think of a good alternative. I'd also add that I think Klinsmann will play this one conservatively. Regarding Johnson from a few posts above, I think everyone, including Jurgen, wants Johnson at left winger/left attacking mid. Problem is we don't have a good sub on the back line (unless I'm missing someone) and our defense is doing pretty well in the run of pls. JK finally got set on a back four. Do you really want him to change if again? Ideal world he's a winger; real world he stays a LB.

ken725

June 17th, 2016 at 3:08 PM ^

I agree with you. I think I said it in the thread last night, but one option(4231) I said was to have same back 4 as last game. This would push Johnson up to RW. Have Bradley and Nagbe play the pivot in front of the back 4. Zardes at LW Puli in at 10 behind Dempsey.

I just think JK will opt to start with Beckerman because of his experience next to Bradley. Not saying that I agree or want that. I just think that is what is going to happen.

Needs

June 17th, 2016 at 6:35 PM ^

I just don't see how you can slot a 17 year old, no matter how talented, into the main playmaking position on the field, particularly when that's not where he plays for his club. I'd love to see him start, but up on the left wing or as a secondary forward (the Wood position). As a #10, you're ladling too many responsibilities onto him and are likely to get a bad performance, rather than giving him a simple assignment (run the wing and work inside to the channels) that frees him up.

ken725

June 17th, 2016 at 7:05 PM ^

For the most part I don't disagree with you. That was just another option for people who are against having Beckerman start the game. Also I'm highly in favor of playing the young guys.

The formation that you actually commented to above is my best guess with the current situation. 

BursleysFinest

June 17th, 2016 at 1:01 PM ^

Exactly the squad I was thinking of.  Though I was thinking a 4-4-2 w/ Nagbe up front with Dempsey.... I don't like Zardes and his 1st touch up front, and seems like Nagbe and Dempsey can take turns tracking back for the ball and connecting with each other.  

Rabbit21

June 17th, 2016 at 1:50 PM ^

I never said this was a rational response.

More seriously, I don't see him providing value over a Nagbe or Pulisic, if you need someone to poach a goal late after Clint has run out of gas, he's a great fit.  Otherwise, I just don't see what he brings to the table(against Argentina) and would prefer for him not to start.  I also think Klinsmann keeps going to him at the expense of developing other options.

tasnyder01

June 17th, 2016 at 2:30 PM ^

Hoping that we can get Pusilic ready by the world cup, and well have Altidore back too. But in the meantime, I just can't see Klinsmann starting Pusilic. After that, the only other option is Zardes -- whom I don't like up top. This leaves Wondo as the only other option. By the way, has anyone heard anything good about Julian Green? What happened to him? Would really lime to see a good winger.

bacon1431

June 17th, 2016 at 1:00 PM ^

I highly doubt Wondo starts. I would think Zardes would be paired up top with Dempsey before Wondo. 

I'm going 4-4-2. Same back four from the group stage, Zusi moving to the right where Zardes was, Bradley playing the spot Jones was, Beckerman sitting in front of the defense, Nagbe in Bedoya's spot and Zardes and Deuce up top. 

Either way, if Argentina is our opponent - we are screwed. Our only hope is that our extra rest will make us far more fresh than Argentina will be. But then again, Messi has just been putzing around on the bench for most of this tournament so he'll be pretty fresh. 

I think we'll lose this one 3-1 or 4-2 or something like that. Argentina's defending isn't great, but their attack is far superior to what we can put out there. Luckily, our suspended players are all more forward thinking players (though Bedoya and Jones do quite a bit all around the pitch). Our back four has been fairly solid. If we win, it's gonna have to be one of those classic American efforts of gutting out a 1-0 victory. 

James Burrill Angell

June 17th, 2016 at 1:05 PM ^

I dunno. We made the semi's and will likely play against Argentina. Expectations have to be low so may as well swing for the fences.

I'd be interested in seeing the 4-4-2 or 4-1-3-2 with Dempsey & Zardes up front, Bradley & Nagbe in the middle. If its the latter I wonder about Beckerman backing Bradley if Nagbe could play one of the sides in the midfield.  Zusi at the other midfield.

Have to keep the original back four together against Argentina. Very unsure about sticking a centerback like Besler out on the wing against the talent Argentina has. 

Someone has to feed Dempsey. The guy is legit but he needs someone feeding him the way Woods and Jones have been which is why I'd like to see Nagbe in there.

 

Pulisic off the bench if Zardes gets tired or is ineffective.

hammermw

June 17th, 2016 at 1:15 PM ^

I would keep Besler in at left back. Put Johnson at Right Wing. He looks so much more comfortable on the right side and he's capable of covering a lot of ground ala Bedoya. Bring in Nagbe and Zusi. I say to move Zardes up top with Deuce, but he's such an effective defender it gives me pause to move him up top.

TrueBlue2003

June 17th, 2016 at 1:46 PM ^

Antonio Valencia kicked out on Bedoya (I think?, maybe someone else) well after the play and Jones came in to defend his teammate but kind of attempted a little slap to the face of Valencia.  It was weak, and I don't think he made contact, but the rules are the rules and you don't go for someone's face so it was an immediate red card for Jones.  Very stupid of him, totally lost his cool.  It was a cheap play by Ecuador but it was the second yellow for one of their best players, so it actually would have been a huge positive for the US if Jones hadn't retaliated. 

Wood shortly after got his second yellow of the tourney on a questionable tackle, and Bedoya got his second yellow of the tourney for grabbing the jersey of an attacker who had him beat just outside the box late in the game when US was holding on by a thread. So they're out by accumulation.

We had like 6 guys with yellows going into the match so it was going to be tough not to lose anyone, but IMO, losing Wood was a killer (not a guy that's replaceable without a big dropoff) and for Jones to get a pointless red was so stupid of him.

Everyone Murders

June 17th, 2016 at 1:50 PM ^

For everyone but Jones, it's accumulation.  Under Copa rules, yellows accumulate up to the semi-Finals.

Jones's card was idiotic, and USMNT fans should be irritated with him.  Valencia (Ecuador's best player) took a stupid and obvious foul on Bedoya for a second yellow in the match.  Jones was perturbed, and right in front of the AR (and not far from the CR) punched/pushed Valencia's teammate in the face. 

Stupid, stupid, stupid - any ref who sees this intentional hand to the head stuff is supposed to pull a straight red.  And that's what the ref did.  And the "punch" was really weak sauce.  More like a "get the fuggoudahere" push than a punch. 

This put us at 10 v. 10, and Ecuador with the prospect that if it moved on, it was moving on without its best player.

 

FreddieMercuryHayes

June 17th, 2016 at 1:24 PM ^

So many options. I read somewhere that Argentina's wingers cut inside and don't speed to the outside like Ecuador's. So Besler at LB could work, push Johnson to midfield. Put in Nagbe, and now Bedoya's and Jones' spots are taking care of. Could push Zardes up top and let Dempsey play off him as there is familiarity. Put in Zusi as a midfield winger and then you have some sort of 4-4-2. If you want to go aggressive, leave the back 4 alone, put in Nagbe and Zusi in the mid field then roll the dice with Pulisic as a left winger and run a 4-3-3. That option sees the least positional changes and more like for like substitutions. Whatever. Just figure it out and play a good game.



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