lilpenny1316

December 7th, 2020 at 9:26 AM ^

Article mentions James Franklin as one of the "names to watch" along with the usual suspects (Cristobal, Campbell, Sarkisian). Doesn't seem like an upgrade over Herman. 

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rhamada

December 7th, 2020 at 9:31 AM ^

If Urban ever coaches again it will be at OSU if Day leaves or USC.  Those are the only two jobs he would take.  Outside of OSU, USC is the easiest job in the country.  The lack of success at USC is absolutely crazy.  

 

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1VaBlue1

December 7th, 2020 at 9:51 AM ^

Why would Mullen leave?  He's got the same built-in advantages at UF that USC has - insane local talent; premier football program in the state; state competition not good (UCLA & Stanford vs FSU & Miami (YTM) - push); national recognition; tradition.  The only thing that USC has in favor is an easier to win conference (well, you could mention the Song Girls, but Florida is no slouch in the cheerleading competition).

Mullen isn't going anywhere, unless he falls off a cliff and gets fired.

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Aspyr

December 7th, 2020 at 9:49 AM ^

Why USC? He has no connection there and Texas has as much if not more football talent in the state. If he turned down Texas he would turn down USC. Way back when Urban listed three dream jobs: Notre Dame, OSU and Michigan. Have to believe that he is waiting for the Notre Dame job - I don't see him going back to coaching at OSU.

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carolina blue

December 7th, 2020 at 9:37 AM ^

With our luck, Meyer would take the Michigan job and proceed to suck. He would set us back even further because he’s suddenly “washed up” or some such shit. 

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My Name is LEGIONS

December 7th, 2020 at 9:38 AM ^

Ponder this... He has a chance to be the supreme figure in the rivalry, if he were to come here and win...  Having g won at both programs.   He would jump even Woody and Bo.  I think he's coming our way.

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slblue

December 7th, 2020 at 9:50 AM ^

Posting to record my preference for keeping Harbaugh, building more incentives into his contract.  2020 is a complete write off - or at least a large asterisk.  I think it unwise to try to change coaches this year for many, many reasons.  Please proceed to remove what few points I have accumulated over many years of reading and infrequently posting (and no need to say I should return to not posting).

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ldevon1

December 7th, 2020 at 9:54 AM ^

I'm not sure why this would be your preference, but I understand why they would extend him. I'm not dogging you, but I'm not sure what would make you think the next 3 - 4 years would be better than the previous 6. The holes in recruiting still remain, and even with an assistant coaching over haul, they will lose 2 - 3 games, at least next year. 

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1VaBlue1

December 7th, 2020 at 9:57 AM ^

No negs - you're entitled to your opinion, just like everyone else.  Even if it's wrong...  :)  

The people that gets negs make dumb claims, post irrelevant (or wrong) stats, get political, or just partake in plain ol' jackassery.  While you've done none of that, I'll counter that there is no reason for 2020 to get an asterisk for Covid - every other team is playing with the same issues.

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slblue

December 7th, 2020 at 10:26 AM ^

First of all, thanks for the relative gentleness or civility.  Second, while COVID has impacted all teams, there is an enormous element of variability - i.e., luck - in how it impacts teams.  For instance, it impacts whether a player decides to return to play, or whether a player can train, etc., etc.  The same is true for injuries.  So I believe that it is unwise to make long term, highly impactful decisions based on a highly variable or random data set.  I’m not ignoring prior performance - which I would agree with other has been a “B.”  Third, I also do not think that JH can currently be replaced with a demonstrably better candidate.  I have tried to read the many theories and postulates of alternative coaches (at least the ones that are not completely fantastical) and I have not been convinced that our team - Michigan - has an ideal candidate waiting to come in to take the helm.  In management (and law - my area) if you don’t have high confidence that a different course is better, you generally stay the course and try like heck to make your chosen course successful.

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The Baughz

December 7th, 2020 at 10:41 AM ^

All great points.

My problem is that I have no confidence that Harbaugh is the guy to take this program to the next level.

There is 5.5 years worth of evidence saying that the best Harbaugh can do is 10 wins; a couple of times.

Almost every facet of Michigan football has taken a step backwards:

Winning, recruiting, player development/retention, culture offense, defense, special teams, etc. Everything has regressed under Harbaugh.

Also, I am not giving Harbaugh's tenure up to this point a B. It's been solid, but going 0-5 against OSU has to bring that grade down to a C+ at best.

Michigan needs to go in a different direction. I like Campbell and Hafley the best right now. Certainly not Urban Meyer type candidates, but Dabo and Tressel werent thought to be homerun hires when they were made and turned out ok.

 

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Castroviejo

December 7th, 2020 at 12:09 PM ^

Just remember that Tom Herman was Texas’ vision of going in a new direction.  He was the hottest name in coaching when he was hired, seemingly a sure thing, with more accolades and accomplishments than Campbell, Hafley  and any of the others being named as potential candidates.  Going in a new direction carries huge risks. There needs to be position coach turnover-Nua is a very weak link, Brown probably needs to go (but just 2 years ago his defense was awesome-against everybody but OSU:), a safety coach is needed, etc.  Also not sold on Gattis either.  In short, getting a new coach is not necessarily a move in the right direction. Having said that, this year has been a disappointment-team looks Hokeian.

If we do go in the direction of a new coach, why isn’t Eli Drinkowitz brought up?  He has an impressive track record, and his work this year at Mizzou has been impressive.

 

 

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gruden

December 7th, 2020 at 11:37 AM ^

Harbaugh lost his team this year (which reportedly has happened before).  That goes beyond any Covid excuse.  We had a QB that was so fed up with Harbaugh he opted to leave the team without even transferring in a year where there was no loss of eligibility.  That is poor coaching.

There are plenty of coaches who, in the face of adversity, were able to keep their players focused, motivated and in the game.  To say there are no demonstrably better candidates is taking the easy way out. 

Yes, there are no demonstrably better candidates for beating OSU, but there have been good cases made for some coaches (and likely plenty of others that could do the same) that have shown the ability to keep their teams focused and win the games they should win.  Beating OSU will be an uphill battle for sure, but for solid coaching there are better options out there.

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slblue

December 7th, 2020 at 10:30 AM ^

First of all, thanks for the relative gentleness or civility.  Second, while COVID has impacted all teams, there is an enormous element of variability - i.e., luck - in how it impacts teams.  For instance, it impacts whether a player decides to return to play, or whether a player can train, etc., etc.  The same is true for injuries.  So I believe that it is unwise to make long term, highly impactful decisions based on a highly variable or random data set.  I’m not ignoring prior performance - which I would agree with other has been a “B.”  Third, I also do not think that JH can currently be replaced with a demonstrably better candidate.  I have tried to read the many theories and postulates of alternative coaches (at least the ones that are not completely fantastical) and I have not been convinced that our team - Michigan - has an ideal candidate waiting to come in to take the helm.  In management (and law - my area) if you don’t have high confidence that a different course is better, you generally stay the course and try like heck to make your chosen course successful.

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gruden

December 7th, 2020 at 11:44 AM ^

This 'luck' factor, a confluence of events and aspect beyond normal control, may explain how OSU lost to teams like Purdue and Iowa in recent years, but a smart coach makes those outliers rather than regular happenstance.

A good coach with a good system can minimize the effect of luck.  It will never go away, but can make it less of a factor with overwhelming systemic advantages. 

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ldevon1

December 7th, 2020 at 9:51 AM ^

James Franklin's name being mentioned is hilarious to me. Not to mention this: Franklin would be owed a buyout of $38.4 million this year, according to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette. The head coach is owed guaranteed more than $5 million for each year of his contract. Even future buyouts would have to include paying that money, plus a $1 million life insurance loan.

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Montana41GoBlue

December 7th, 2020 at 10:56 AM ^

Would hope that Manuel reaches out to interview all the players who are transferring (have transferred).  There is "more to the story here" and a big reason why we are so bad, starting so many underclassmen.  You don't retain or extend a Coach who is failing in every measurable way. 

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scfanblue

December 7th, 2020 at 12:36 PM ^

Nothing left to do for him. He is a college football legend now and will always be that. He walked into a an absolute machine in Columbus that was built by Jim Tressel so it was easy for him 

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MGoStrength

December 7th, 2020 at 1:12 PM ^

Why for the love of God can't we get Meyer away from OSU?  He's destined to beat UM into oblivion until the end of time.  He must have a kryptonite.  Can UM ever find it?

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