Jack Be Nimble

February 2nd, 2020 at 7:49 PM ^

This kid might be a great player. I don't really have an opinion on the matter, but your screen shot doesn't prove what you seem to think it does. 247 often lists someone as having an offer when what he really has is an "offer", that is to say, not something he can commit to.

Just look at all the people the site lists as having a Michigan offer. Many of them were not seriously recruited by the coaching staff. Anyone who pays attention to recruiting can attest to this.

Like I said before, McNamara might be a great player, but judging from the general shape of OSU's class and the relative lack of reporting on this recruitment from the OSU blogosphere and 247 reporters, it's probably safe to assume that he does not have a commitable OSU offer.

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Blue in Paradise

February 2nd, 2020 at 8:02 PM ^

While that is normally correct, those are typically cases where guys get an offer early in the cycle.  Kyle got the OSU offer at the end of September.  He could have a plan B in case another option at OSU didn’t work - but they have an all-time WR recruiting class so I don’t see how that would be the case.

In any event, we all know that had he gone to OSU, he would have made a bunch of key 3rd down / goal line plays against Michigan for the next four years.  So worth picking him up just to avoid that.

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Jack Be Nimble

February 2nd, 2020 at 8:12 PM ^

Sorry, but I just do not think that's true. 247's offer list is just not a very reliable indicator of the level of program interest. If you look at the context of this recruitment, a commitable OSU offer seems very unlikely. You said he got offered in September. A guy who could have committed to OSU at any point in the last 4 months, when his only other offer was apparently Central Michigan, would have done so months ago. 

If Michigan's coaching staff likes him, then that's great. I'm happy they got a player they like. But I seriously doubt that he would have gone to Ohio State if Michigan didn't take him, so the end of your post doesn't make sense.

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bronxblue

February 2nd, 2020 at 8:22 PM ^

Again, he tweeted he got an offer from OSU when it happened.  It's also a good bet that the brother of a current commit is likely to follow him to Michigan.  But OSU doesn't need to offer a kid to troll Michigan; they can point at any other number of things.

He got an offer.  "Committable" or not is a semantic that seems to come and go based on who you talk to.  But I'm glad that we're all litigating the level of desirability a HS player is who committed to UM in his commitment post.  Bang-up job.

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Jack Be Nimble

February 2nd, 2020 at 8:30 PM ^

When I use the word 'offer', I mean what the word means in the dictionary. Something that someone can actually accept.

It seems absurd to claim that whether or not someone can actually accept an offer is not a meaningful distinction. In fact, it goes to the heart of whether or not the offer exists.

Furthermore, I certainly was not litigating the recruit's desirability. As you'll see if you actually read my posts, I noted twice that I have no opinion on whether or not this is a good recruit for Michigan to take. I'm happy enough if the coaching staff likes him. It's their job to gauge talent and they're quite good at it.

I simply objected to what I felt was an unfounded claim presented as fact.

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bronxblue

February 2nd, 2020 at 9:01 PM ^

It's interesting that I too have the same dictionary, and in it a person does not need to actually accept an offer for it to be acceptable.  Michigan offers many players who don't commit, yet are all of those not committable?  

My point is you don't know the state of the offer; you are assuming (perhaps rightly) that given OSU's WR class it might have been contingent on some other factors.  But at the same time, it's just as likely that OSU gave him an offer they'd have accepted, as there's no particular reason why they'd offer a 2* WR from a school they didn't otherwise recruit in 2020 for fun.  

It's your right, I guess, to argue over this point if you want, but I don't see the value of doing so in a guy's commitment thread.  I can't imagine how deflating it would be to come to a noted site of the school you just pledged to and seeing a bunch of anonymous people who claim to be your "fans" arguing over how committable your offer was from another school and commenting how slow and "bad" you look. 

He looks like a solid player.  He probably won't be a star, but who the hell knows; Ronnie Bell was a lowly-regarded player out of HS and he was probably the team's #2 WR last year.  I'm excited for McNamara and wish him the best, and I don't particularly care about how excited OSU was to have him join their team.

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901 P

February 3rd, 2020 at 6:34 AM ^

Great point. I am always amazed that posters here can be so critical of our recruits. I am sure that some of these players end up looking at this site to see how they are being discussed. Have some decency and don’t be a jerk—these kids are 16 years old! And if you can’t bring yourself to be a decent person because it’s the right thing to do, maybe withhold your insults because it could actually hurt our chances to get recruits. 

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Jack Be Nimble

February 2nd, 2020 at 9:47 PM ^

I'm not surprised you can't tell what I'm driving at, because you don't actually seem to have read what I wrote. As I wrote the first time you posted this screen shot, 247's offer list is not a reliable indicator of actual program interest. It routinely reports so-called "non-commitable offers" as offers.

A much stronger indicator, I believe, is the fact that he did not sign with OSU in December despite the fact that the "offer" was reported back in September.

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Jack Be Nimble

February 2nd, 2020 at 8:16 PM ^

If an "offer for a scholarship" means anything, it has to mean that the kid could have chosen to sign with the team that offered him, taken the scholarship money, gone to school there, and played football there. If that wasn't an option for him, and I don't think it was, then it wasn't really an offer.

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wolve1972

February 2nd, 2020 at 9:35 PM ^

Most schools - including UM - have committable and non-committable offers.  His OSU offer was probably at the beginning of the recruiting cycle and was obviously non-committable especially with the high-profile WRs they brought in. Alabama is notorious for handing out tons of non-committable offers.  But, both us and OSU obviously saw some potential in the kid.  Sounds like he's a walk on

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Quailman

February 2nd, 2020 at 11:53 PM ^

A lot of you need help or to get a new perspective on a lot of things. Go spout your negativity and ignorance elsewhere. Congrats Kyle, on a great accomplishment, I hope you represent yourself and your university well, unlike most of us here. 

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