Thoughts on drywall installation: horizontal or vertical?
I took down some old paneling in our basement (which is finished and has a floating engineered hardwood floor, which I installed) and tomorrow I'll be putting up the drywall! I am not sure if I should install the drywall vertically or horizontally. Of course the advantage of vertical installation is that with studs that are 16" on center one 4x8 piece of drywall fits nicely between three studs and the stability is increased. On the other hand, you do wind up putting on a bit more mud since inevitably there are more seams with vertical installation. That means more sanding, which is the least enjoyable part of putting up new drywall! In addition, the basement ceiling is slightly less than 8' high, so I have to rip a bit off the top of each of the drywall sheets before I put them up, so there is really no advantage in vertical installation on that front, since I need to cut each sheet anyway.
So how about the rest of you? Do you prefer to put up drywall vertically or horizontally?
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November 8th, 2019 at 9:44 PM ^
Do you want my honest opinion?
November 8th, 2019 at 9:45 PM ^
Please fuckin' lie to him!
November 8th, 2019 at 9:48 PM ^
personal preference based on the work/application surface you're working with and the number of seams based on the height of where you have to hang. i've done it both ways and all things being equal i tend toward vertical seams as it seems to more easily accommodate varying heights and particularly higher ceilings.
November 8th, 2019 at 11:20 PM ^
You say potato...
horizontal. Your main joint is at 4’ (8’ ceilings) so you can tape the longest joint without getting on ladder.
November 9th, 2019 at 6:35 AM ^
you say tomato....
November 8th, 2019 at 9:51 PM ^
I've always put it up vertically. But don't take my advice. I'm the equivalent of Tim the Tool Man when it comes to home projects.
November 8th, 2019 at 11:15 PM ^
I’ve watched it done in a few of my home remodeling and it’s always vertical. I can do the rough trim and electrical, but the misses won’t let me near finish work. We had a contractor screw up some caulking and she said “it looks like you did it!”
November 8th, 2019 at 9:53 PM ^
Diagonal...AND WATCH THE WORLD BUUUURN!!!
November 8th, 2019 at 11:37 PM ^
November 9th, 2019 at 12:16 AM ^
Which would be right side up where you come from. Yeah, I see what you did there.
I gotta ask, when you are down under, do you just flush over and over while staring at the water circling the bowl and wonder at the majesty of the universe?
November 9th, 2019 at 12:47 AM ^
Inside out?
November 8th, 2019 at 9:53 PM ^
Diagonal.
November 8th, 2019 at 10:05 PM ^
But then you gotta do geometry.
November 8th, 2019 at 11:28 PM ^
I think you mean "get to" do geometry.
November 8th, 2019 at 11:55 PM ^
Touche'. Geometry is FUN! Heck, do drywall in circles then you really gotta (get to) figure shit out. Cords, semi-circles, radii, pi. It might look like dung but at least you'll have a complete life's lesson in mathematics.
November 9th, 2019 at 7:36 AM ^
Except for when you're trying to help your kid with their geometry homework and come to find that your memory ain't what it used to be...
November 9th, 2019 at 8:03 AM ^
I can't call geometry "fun," but it was the one HS math subject I ever learned. If you're a visual learner, you can see its major components: a circle, an angle, a triangle, a line, etc. You don't have to imagine them - they're right on the page in front of you. And there are absolutes in geometry: a circle has 360 degrees; the sum of the internal angles of a triangle are always 180; parallel lines never converge, etc. These facts don't change. Those two factors allowed me to get a surprising B in 10th Grade Math.
But when it comes to home improvements, the only number I'm concerned with is the number of a contractor. I know when things are beyond me.
November 9th, 2019 at 9:34 AM ^
Fuck geometry. I can solve fairly complex algebraic equations, in my head, but I got the only D of my entire academic career in geometry class.
November 9th, 2019 at 3:54 PM ^
I’m with you, man.
Geometry was the only subject in the maths that I ever had a complete grasp and understanding of. Everything was real. I could see it, I could make it. Those things could be measured, drawn, and constructed. Everything past geometry, I’m convinced is voodoo.
I am a firm believer in doing it yourself, however, but you do you, man.
November 8th, 2019 at 9:56 PM ^
Phone a friend
November 8th, 2019 at 9:57 PM ^
try a herringbone pattern!
November 8th, 2019 at 9:59 PM ^
Horizontal. Seams are easier (less ladders), and less noticable to the eye. It also gives more strength to the wall. Finally if you have a crooked stud you don't have to put a doubler on it.
November 8th, 2019 at 10:01 PM ^
You either know what you are talking about or you just made up the word doubler. Either way. I believe you. Go blue
November 8th, 2019 at 11:43 PM ^
Less ladders, and for some of us just as critical, less stooping.
November 9th, 2019 at 8:04 AM ^
But a lot of people want to Stoops right now...
November 8th, 2019 at 10:00 PM ^
Eng hardwood in the basement?
November 8th, 2019 at 10:03 PM ^
Yes. It has to be a floating floor since it's over a concrete slab.
November 8th, 2019 at 10:10 PM ^
I’d just worry about possibility of a water issue ruining the wood vs say a vinyl plank or laminate.
November 8th, 2019 at 10:37 PM ^
LVP, luxury vinyl plank is the way to go, laminates are also susceptible to water damage, LVP tongue and groove is fine they come wirh an underlayment backing already, usually. Glued down is a bitch because the subfloor has to be perfect after self-leveling.
For drywalling, just go verticle and use a chalk string and use a cutter for less than 8 foot heights.
November 8th, 2019 at 10:02 PM ^
I have never done it horizontally. Honestly, it just never occurred to me. However, since you mentioned that you'll have to cut a bit off the top either way, personally I would prefer to do it vertical so you have to cut less at a time. I find it easier to cut smaller bits more often than do a long cut. It's just easier to keep everything straight. Also, I think you'd have more seams if you did the horizontal layout because you'd have the horizontal seams but you'd also have vertical seams (unless the wall is no more than 8' across). By doing it vertically, you'd just have vertical seams.
I'm going to have to put drywall up in my bedroom in the near future because the previous owners did a pretty poor job using cheap wood paneling. It's not something I'm looking forward to. It's not that I find drywall particularly difficult to work with, I just find it tedious and I hate the chalky feel you get on your hands.
November 8th, 2019 at 11:37 PM ^
On a 16 ft long wall, 8 ft high. If you go vertical you install 4 sheets and have 3 8 ft seams (24 ft total). Horizontally, you have 1 16 ft horizontal seam and 1 8 ft vertical seam which is also 24 ft total.
On a 13 ft wall, you'd still have 24 total feet of seams vertical, but horizontal you'd have 13 ft horizontal seam and 1 8 ft vertical seam or 21 ft, ie horizontal is shorter.
17 ft long wall, 32 seam ft vertical and 17 + 16 = 33 seam ft horizontal. Horizontally, you can, of course, get longer sheets which would save you an 8 ft seam.
I'm ignoring the corners because its the same for both.
November 9th, 2019 at 1:42 PM ^
Stupid math, always contradicting my intuition.
November 8th, 2019 at 10:02 PM ^
My walls are all vertical. If you asked about flooring I would say horizontal.
November 9th, 2019 at 7:41 AM ^
What about ceilings? Those always trip me up.
November 8th, 2019 at 10:04 PM ^
Honestly you could go either way. I prefer the vertical but it does work both ways.
November 8th, 2019 at 10:05 PM ^
Since you're worried about the sanding, that probably means you aren't going to be great at it. So go with horizontal. It'll hide any screw ups a bit better, and it'll hide any bowed studs that would be really obvious on a vertical installation.
Only reason I know this is because my uncle hung drywall for 30+ years and taught me over the course of installing drywall in pretty much every home my extended family has owned. Also, you don't need as much mud as you think you do. Scrape it nice and thin.
November 9th, 2019 at 12:44 AM ^
Great advice! I would also suggest using topping compound for your final coat.
November 8th, 2019 at 10:16 PM ^
Horizontal with staggered seams (called railroad) is the correct way to install drywall - more stability with shorter seams. Shorter seams with more stability reduces the chance for cracks in the seam (which will happen either way).
November 8th, 2019 at 11:04 PM ^
This is the correct way so +1 to kdog
November 8th, 2019 at 11:54 PM ^
Actually "railroad" is when the seams line up. You don't want to railroad it. Less strength and messed up seams when finishing. Staggered is correct.
November 9th, 2019 at 6:43 AM ^
I'm surprised so many people are saying vertical.
November 8th, 2019 at 10:20 PM ^
I’ve worked residential construction all my life, drywall is supposed to be hung horizontal, ESPECIALLY for remodeling. Unless the studs are perfectly straight and exactly 16” on center you will end up cutting the tapered edge and it won’t fit right. You can cut the 4’ edge easily to whatever length you want in a straight line, good luck cutting a straight line for 8 feet, not to mention butting the tapered seams together since they will be slightly different thicknesses.
Now, as far as your comment about sex, that can be either horizontal or vertical.
November 8th, 2019 at 10:55 PM ^
no idea if you are right, but you are definitely the most persuasive.
November 8th, 2019 at 10:24 PM ^
I really hate bye weeks
November 8th, 2019 at 10:25 PM ^
You keep putting up walls between us...and I keep coming back to you.
November 8th, 2019 at 10:33 PM ^
Horizontal and stage them so you have 4ft piece with a seam on top and an eight foot sheet on bottom. Repeat the pattern.
I'm a contractor.
November 8th, 2019 at 10:35 PM ^
Horizontal starting at the ceiling
November 8th, 2019 at 10:35 PM ^
With just a touch less than 8’ ceiling, I’d do vertical. We did our own basement at home and our cabin both vertical. Same as you... both had just less than 8’ ceilings. Leave a little gap, 1/4” or so, on the floor for your flooring to move around.
Good luck with your project tomorrow!
November 8th, 2019 at 10:40 PM ^
Dude.