Spartans' Max Bullough Suspended
"@BTNTomDienhart: Per Michigan State, Max Bullough has been suspended for the remainder of the season for a violation of team rules."
That's not good for the Big Ten's/ Spartan's chances in the Rose.
Huge surprise that this guy would be in trouble. I believe he was a team captain.
December 26th, 2013 at 11:13 PM ^
The internet is full of douchebaggery, but this post ranks pretty high up there for what I have seen. If you spoke like that way to me in person, you would finall have something in life to regret. lol I kid I kid,,not really
December 27th, 2013 at 12:11 AM ^
Well apparently I'm not coming off as intended. I don't necessarily care that you think I'm a douche. I must say though that I have no idea how any of this comes off as me being offensive to the poster. I'm just stating my viewpoint, not knocking his. I said I can't feel sorry for the guy, I never said the poster was wrong for feeling bad for him. He can feel however he wants, I just wondered why because I don't, so I was sincerely wondering.
Edit: If you're talking about my response to the poster who told me to F OFF because of my viewpoint, then I understand a little better. I didn't mean it in a bad way. Just as a matter of fact. And I also don't necessarily appreciate people taking me to F OFF, and I think I responded in a much better way than I could have. I don't go telling people to F OFF just because they have a certain opinion.
December 27th, 2013 at 12:07 AM ^
Dad? Actually there's a great chance that you're older than me. I'm a Senior in college. I just understand that you don't make stupid decisions with no consequences.
December 26th, 2013 at 8:18 AM ^
The thing is, humans dont think this way the majority of the time. It is a fiction we love to impose on people whose actions may or have harmed us, or as a way to feel superior to those people. And to make up for our own shortcomings. Only in rare circumstances are we actually rational actors, in which we have perfect informaiton and the time to assess all outcomes. So perhaps you should try to deal more with reality than fantasy.
December 26th, 2013 at 8:31 AM ^
What? I'm sorry, I've gotten by being a rational person just fine. I've never been arrested because I've never done something dumb enough to get arrested. I've never put myself in a position where I have to make a choice between two bad options.
I haven't been perfect, and I have regrets, but to excuse poor decisions as "human nature" is insulting to everyone who does act rationally.
Plus, I would say for people in general, the rare times are the times we make mistakes and make poor decisions. The vast majority of times we do act rationally. It's that 1 out of 100 time where we make a mistake or make a bad decision.
December 26th, 2013 at 8:34 AM ^
Wow, not quite the rational response. First, where did I say that non-rational behavior = law breaking behavior? Or dumb behavior? In fact, the opposite is often true. Its often non-rational behavior (such as intuition) that results in very positive outcomes. So, how was I excusing bad behavior? He should face consequences. Its not about that. Its about understanding that people make mistakes, but must also learn from them. Try to be a bit more rational in your thinking.
The fact is, if you think you have gotten by by being nothing but rational, you are living a fantasy. There are piles and piles of psychological and economic research on the topic. Thousdands of careers have been made our of research into the circumstances and reasons humans do not act rationally. That people normally act non-rationally is without debate. Its not about having regrets, breaking laws, being dumb, or negative consequences. But it can be. But it can also be about being very compassionate, thoughtful, giving, when its not rational to do so. Try some of that before giving an ignorant response.
December 26th, 2013 at 8:41 AM ^
Ignorant?
I spoke of law-breaking or dumb behavior because that's the context of this discussion.
Apparently, you were speaking much more broadly - I apologize for not being able to pick that up from the context of your post. Perhaps I was ignorant in that regard, but given the context I think it is understandable.
Rational in the context of being giving/compassionate/thoughtful etc is a different topic than what we are talking about here. And even then, I'd argue in favor of rationality.
It may be rational to not pay off my student loans too fast and instead invest into a Roth IRA because my student loans compound at 4% interest and the stock market has a history of 7% return. However, I've made the financially less-shrewd move to pay off my student loans at an accelerated pace instead of put that money in the stock market, which is the better move mathematically. I guess you would argue this is not a rational decision. I think it is a rational decision because I am aware of the consequences and more heavily weigh the emotional stress of getting rid of my student loans. Is that being irrational? Probably a matter of opinion.
December 26th, 2013 at 8:45 AM ^
"Whatever he did was bad enough to warrant a suspension from Dantonio. "
This is the key. Dantonio would gloss over anything minor (as he has done many times in the past) so this has to be something substantial.
December 26th, 2013 at 11:43 AM ^
other people consider substantial. I doubt he had a choice (which is your point I think - it just needs to be said I think here.) The cred doesn't flow from Dantonio's character as much as his lack of it. Dantonio would likely not take action if it was something he could get away with given his past.
In addition this is a bowl game, the last game of a senior career and Max is a singular talent that is the heart of that defense (along with all american DB paly.) Like you said - all things point to major screw up.
December 26th, 2013 at 6:56 AM ^
However, kudos to Mark Dantonio for having the balls to suspend him. His duty is to help these boys become men, and actions have consequences. He has done a lot of stuff recently to really make me like him.
December 26th, 2013 at 7:58 AM ^
December 26th, 2013 at 12:51 AM ^
Sparty gonna Spart
December 26th, 2013 at 12:51 AM ^
How does this happen before the biggest game of Max career. Wow!
December 26th, 2013 at 1:43 AM ^
I don't know - but thanks for asking me.
It's not like Max is vital for that defense to work. /s
December 26th, 2013 at 12:51 AM ^
#SpartansWill do something incredibly stupid before the game they played their whole lives to get to.
December 26th, 2013 at 12:56 AM ^
I feel bad for the guy who's waited his entire life to play in this game. On the other hand, I find it hilarious that they lost the best player on the entire team six days before their biggest game in 25 years because he did something stupid.
December 26th, 2013 at 1:04 AM ^
RCMB meltdown much lighter than expected.
Must be the holiday cheer.
December 27th, 2013 at 2:52 PM ^
Then bargaining.
Too soon for anger.
December 27th, 2013 at 3:15 PM ^
Not really. Plenty of heartache.
December 26th, 2013 at 1:09 AM ^
it sucks.
Must have been a serious mistake for Dantonio to boot him.
I hate the Spartans....but i feel bad for them now. They busted ass to get there....and now a good player fucks up....
December 26th, 2013 at 1:20 AM ^
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December 26th, 2013 at 1:35 AM ^
Damn, sucks for them. I always thought Max Bullough was a squeaky clean guy and a hell of a LB. Quite unexpected before their biggest game in 30 years.
December 26th, 2013 at 1:55 AM ^
He ran from the cops just a few years ago in college.
December 26th, 2013 at 9:18 AM ^
As noted earlier, because he forgot his ski mask and didn't want to be Id'ed.
By in all seriousness, because he ran from some cops in Aspen after a (pretty rough) fight.
December 26th, 2013 at 10:56 AM ^
But I was asking why the poster had the opinion of being shocked and surprised and never saw it coming.
Does he know the kid? Is it because he's a legacy kid from a football family, a well-off white kid that plays hard-nosed football?
Just wondering what sparked that train of thought. Clearly it wasn't his criminal history because he's already gotten in trouble.
December 26th, 2013 at 11:48 AM ^
Sorry. Didn't catch the context.
December 26th, 2013 at 1:43 AM ^
Merry Christmas Max!
December 26th, 2013 at 1:53 AM ^
December 26th, 2013 at 1:58 AM ^
Yes, because you should assume guilty until proven innocent right? Lewan came out and said he had nothing to do with it. The OSU fans story sounds bogus, and many people in the area say they can back Lewan up. So until we know what Bullough did, it's not fair to compare. You're basically saying that if tomorrow I release a story saying ten guys from the Michigan team beat me up, they should automatically be suspended. Forget actually going through the legal system and checking to see if Lewan was actually involved.
December 26th, 2013 at 2:13 AM ^
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December 26th, 2013 at 9:24 AM ^
Well, in Bullough's case he ran from some cops, was arrested, and pleaded out. Lewan was not charged and, at best, was investigated. I know he had some issue earlier on in his career, but when your coach suspends you before the biggest game in the last, what, 50 years in your school's history AND you were arrested and convicted in another state, that to me rises above this potential non-story about Lewan.
All that said, I'm not going to argue about the morality of college kids getting into fights or breaking rules. Every team has guys who do, and the vast majority of their teammates don't do anything wrong and pass through the school successfully. It sucks for the MSU and its fans that they will have to play Stanford without one of their leaders, but Hoke has suspended important players for big games before (Fitz against Alabama, Stonum and Hagerup for whole seasons as well as individual games), and I'm guessing if there was sufficient fire behind the Lewan smoke he'd be sitting as well. But this idea that UM is not addressing real, punishable acts because they want to win the f'king Copper Bowl and finish 8-5 is silly. I commend Dantonio for doing what he did, though I'm guessing Bullough had to do something pretty bad for it to come to this.
December 26th, 2013 at 10:14 AM ^
I'm not sure how you commend a guy for taking action and then go on to see it must have been pretty bad. If it was bad enough Dantonio had no choice.
December 26th, 2013 at 11:51 AM ^
As others have noted, Dantonio could have pulled one of those "let's wait and see" approaches that drags it out just long enough for the game to be played. I mean, Tressel basically did that and it blew up in his face, but lots of other coaches have dragged stuff on long enough. I'm guessing this involves something rather cut-and-dry, but LOTS of coaches have found ways to slow-play those offenses to benefit them. I'm just giving him kudos for addressing it early and moving on.
December 26th, 2013 at 3:01 PM ^
We have no idea whether a "let's wait and see" approach was at all realistic in this case.
December 26th, 2013 at 2:03 AM ^
and that is where the devil lives. Coaches gonna coach. Best leave this to the professionals. Dantonio is not the gold standard here. Players and teams respond differently but no matter - fans and rival fans will always second guess.
December 26th, 2013 at 9:52 AM ^
Until we know (and we may never know) what Bullough did, it's too early to praise or diss either the kid or his coach or make comparisons to other players and coaches. Even the saner State fans (the non RCMB types) seem to acknowledge that it must be something serious. Someone on TOC even speculated that it might be academic in nature. Suppose he's ineligible to play in the bowl? We just don't know, so it's way too early to pass judgment.
December 26th, 2013 at 2:09 AM ^
rather than if Lewan is guilty or not, eh? Lewan has catagorically denied hitting anybody the night in question and he's been charged with no crime. So you would sit him based on allegations from a scandal rag out of Columbus?
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December 26th, 2013 at 8:08 AM ^
You have no idea if Lewan screwed up, but you want him suspended. Okay.
December 26th, 2013 at 10:57 AM ^
Look at FSU's situation...imagine if this guy was running the show. No Heisman or National Championship.
And Winston was being accused (but not charged) with MUCH more serious allegations.
Someone is going to make a joke, but imagine if that was Gardner and Michigan's season. We'd all be IRATE if we lost out on a Heisman and an undefeated national championship because of an allegation that didn't draw any charges.
If it's that easy to get a player suspended, next year I'm creating 22 accounts and going after every OSU starter with flase allegations. They'll have to be suspended, because it must be true if MGoBlog is saying it about OSU players (with no link, proof, etc.)
December 26th, 2013 at 2:00 AM ^
You can't suspend Lewan for the bowl game beause you don't know if the charges are correct or bogus. If Hoke suspends Lewan and he's innocent then Hoke suspended Lewan for doing nothing and that is worse than if he plays and did infact commit the assault because it can be made up with down the road in jail time and NFL draft status.
December 26th, 2013 at 2:03 AM ^
I feel for the kid, but I feel bad for exactly zero of the MSU fans.
December 26th, 2013 at 9:26 AM ^
I'm the opposite. Bullough did something dumb enough to get him suspended. MSU fans have been waiting a generation to play in the Rose Bowl and one of their leaders screwed up enough to significantly undermine those efforts.
December 26th, 2013 at 10:20 AM ^
From my perch now, I shake my head at myself when I played. I am reminded of my foolishness.