Sorry...I got a Derrick Green Question. Let's call it DG post # 134 on this board
Months ago when we got in on D. Green I looked at his mixtape and thought ..pretty good. Last night driving home I heard Sam say he was the #6 player overall and #1 RB on Scout. I told myself I must be missing something. I just watched it again and I just don't see it. I think Thomas Rawls and Stephen Hopkins tapes were more impressive.
I'm not questioning the scouting of him, I'll believe he's great until proven otherwise. I'm just curious if anyone else watched the tape and thought the same thing. I read the ESPN profile and they said he was a bruiser but I don't see that many highlight broken tackles. He didn't appear to run away from anyone. Maybe his competition was outstanding. I know the level of competition can be a key factor in how exciting a tape can be. Again he looks good, but what I'm saying is for being the #1 back in the country you think it would stand out more. Maybe his friend is a terrible editor?
January 10th, 2013 at 1:58 PM ^
I have seen a ton about his level of competition, which I believe probably has a lot to do with his #1 ranking on Rivals and now Scout. Also, his Senior highlight tape is much more impressive than his Junior year so maybe you were watching his Jr. tape.
January 10th, 2013 at 2:26 PM ^
His level of competition is good, but there are better levels of competition in other parts of the country.
January 10th, 2013 at 2:45 PM ^
My first embed, go easy on me. Derrick Green senior highlights.
<iframe width="640" height="360" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/otMp1XM3PQQ?feature=player_detailpage" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
January 10th, 2013 at 2:46 PM ^
I suck. Maybe next time. Here's the youtube link.
January 10th, 2013 at 2:58 PM ^
Youtube is blocked on my work internet, so we'll see if this works.
January 10th, 2013 at 3:23 PM ^
Both of those are junior season highlights. His senior highlights were posted later in this thread.
January 10th, 2013 at 3:36 PM ^
I was just trying to help out Gobgoblue with his embed fail.
January 10th, 2013 at 4:00 PM ^
I got that, I was just saying.....
January 10th, 2013 at 5:21 PM ^
Thank you both very much!
January 10th, 2013 at 3:00 PM ^
January 10th, 2013 at 5:26 PM ^
Darn it. Thanks for the info. Maybe next time!
January 10th, 2013 at 2:01 PM ^
I had to explain Prison Abs to my gf. She was convinced that I made them up...
January 10th, 2013 at 7:05 PM ^
Who was the original prison abs? Was it Marvin Robinson?
January 10th, 2013 at 7:09 PM ^
Thomas Gordon
January 10th, 2013 at 7:37 PM ^
Thank you good sir. I know the board would suggest I just google it, but with my safe search off I didn't feel like rolling the dice.
January 10th, 2013 at 2:05 PM ^
Are you trying to make this about his physical appearance, flysociety3?
I'm highly offended by this and demand an apology. How cruel and insensitive to all the viewers of MGoBlog out there.
January 10th, 2013 at 2:06 PM ^
Yes haha... that is exactly what i'm trying to do.
January 10th, 2013 at 2:20 PM ^
Yeah, I mean, much was made of his dedication to transforming his body - I think he is on quite a respected daily regemin, allowing him to lose a ton of weight once he decided to be a RB. So yes - it's possible he may not "look" as good on film as others, but I want a guy with that kind of attitude playing for Michigan.
January 10th, 2013 at 1:58 PM ^
January 10th, 2013 at 2:00 PM ^
I'm not an expert on these matters, but I'm pretty sure recruiting services don't just use highlight reels for their evaluations of players; otherwise, everybody would be a 5* (except for Ryan Potter... he'd be a 6*).
January 10th, 2013 at 2:00 PM ^
A) You HAVE a DG question. You don't "got" a DG question.
B) You watched a youtube video a high schooler made. Those who are paid to evaluate high school players have seen DG in person and evaluated him as a high level, blue chip player. He has scholorship offers to play football at nearly everywher ein the country. Your opinion genuinely means absolutely nothing at all.
January 10th, 2013 at 2:05 PM ^
I like how you corrected my english but couldn't comprehend english. It's obviously just a 10 minute highlight tape and I said clearly I'm not saying he won't be good. I'm just asking if other were unimpressed by the actual tape.
January 10th, 2013 at 2:12 PM ^
Are you watching his senior tape? If not watch the junior tape then watch the senior tape and you will see a difference.
January 10th, 2013 at 2:37 PM ^
you don't see 3 consecutiv posts from accounts created in 2008 very often
January 10th, 2013 at 3:22 PM ^
you don't see a comment about it very often, either.
January 10th, 2013 at 2:13 PM ^
Are your doubts football-related or cinematography-related? Cause if you're saying the video itself is unimpressive, like with angles and lighting and stuff, then this is a terrible thread.
On the other hand, if your concerns are that the film is representative of a kid who is not worthy of his ranking, then I'll trust basically every paid professional who has evaluated the kid in person, and the coach of every school with a mascot and/or a vowel in its name, all of whom offered him a scholarship.
January 10th, 2013 at 2:14 PM ^
January 10th, 2013 at 2:41 PM ^
So you watched the youtube film and thought to yourself "Man this is bad. I am going to start a thread on MGoBlog to see if other people think this is bad too. I don't quite believe my own opinion on this and must get some other opinions to find out if I am a completely stupid about this tape." ??
If so, great post man. Sweet thoughts and things.
January 10th, 2013 at 3:13 PM ^
Did someone piss directly in your cornflakes, or just spatter some on the side? I know the internet helps some people feel tough, and helps other people ask dumb questions, but sheeesh..... go easy. We're all Wolverines here... well mostly.
January 10th, 2013 at 2:02 PM ^
''I'm not questioning the scouting of him,''
Clearly you are.
January 10th, 2013 at 2:16 PM ^
Glad you're still here to neg all my posts Gordie. I'm not questioning the scouting of him. I'm questioning my viewing and trying to figure out what I'm missing or if others agree. Highlight tapes are not good scouting tools. Especially for someone not that flashy.
January 10th, 2013 at 2:20 PM ^
His tape isn't a magic eye poster. There aren't hidden touchdowns or rocket ships or anything. Scouting is an inexact science, so if you aren't good at breaking down film, then you're probably stuck relying on other peoples' evaluations. And the vast majority of people who have analyzed this kid say, "very much good."
January 10th, 2013 at 2:48 PM ^
You are a funny guy Ziffy. I have reminders set 3 times a day to see if you've posted, just so I can get my neg gun out.
January 10th, 2013 at 2:53 PM ^
you might need "green" glasses
January 10th, 2013 at 2:03 PM ^
I have no problem with you saying this, just because I think there is way to much put into all high school player rankings. I dare someone to bring up their post from 4 years ago where they say Will Cambel would only manage to crack the starting line up and be mediocre by his Sr. year. How about those people who were more upset at losing Shavoderick Beaver than gaining Denard?
Sure, overall its more likely a higher rated player will do good, but these are 18 year olds playing high school. Some kids work harder, some have growth spurts, some were just over rated. Can't ever tell for sure.
January 10th, 2013 at 2:05 PM ^
January 10th, 2013 at 7:05 PM ^
You're totally missing the point man.
There can be unlimited amounts of praise about high school kids. At the end of the day, that doesn't mean anything (well, something, just not as much as people like to put into it).
Here's an activity: Go to rivals, or your other favorite rating site. Go back like 6 years. Look at the top recruits either in the country, or at Michigan. I guarantee you will see names of kids who were rated in the top 5/10/20/50 in the country, played at every high school all star game, people claimed was the next [insert NFL'er at his position who played at school he committed] and yet today you couldn't tell me if they played 1 snap in college. Why? Just start googling the names. Some maybe got injured, some might have got into off the field touble, but a lot also ended up transfering to a smaller school, or ended having a very marginal career and are lucky to be drafted late or make it as a free agent.
The opposite is even interesting. Look up guys in the NFL now. You'll see 3 star recruits that you assumed would be a bench warmer who might get in his redshirt sr. year.
January 10th, 2013 at 2:13 PM ^
I have no real opinion on if D. Green will be good or not, but since you hit my wheel house I had to respond. After watching the Army game I posted I thought W. Campbell would be a disappointment, I got crushed for it, I responded back, it got ugly, I think I mentioned Nazi Germany in one response and the whole thing melted down and got taken off the board. I wasn't proud of that whole thing, but in the end I was right on that.
January 10th, 2013 at 2:29 PM ^
"because I think there is way to[o] much put into all high school player rankings."
That is part of the reason why I do not follow recruiting at all. I try to trust that our coaches know what they are doing, and can turn their recruits into winners.
The other reason I don't follow recruiting is that a lot of it is just downright creepy. People are on here (and everywhere) posting every tweet, facebook post, or other statement by some high school kid.
January 10th, 2013 at 3:07 PM ^
Yet you still opened and commented on a thread that was...wait for it.....about recruiting....smh
January 10th, 2013 at 2:55 PM ^
All I saw was a few on Will Campbell
January 10th, 2013 at 2:04 PM ^
...the same thoughts. I find Deveon Smith's tape far more impressive but I am willing to defer to the experts on this and if they say Green is the top RB in the land, I want him in the class.
January 10th, 2013 at 2:10 PM ^
Green plays harder competition than Smith.
January 10th, 2013 at 2:05 PM ^
Highlight mixtapes are the most reliable way to analyze a player's abilities. That's why I'm hoping Michigan takes a good look at this kid:
January 10th, 2013 at 2:08 PM ^
Oh the hype on this kid was amazing....big time flop!
January 10th, 2013 at 2:23 PM ^
... while he didn't live up to the hype, he's turned in a respectable career as a WR at Rice. Also, I think calling someone a flop because he suffered 1 or 2 concussions in his one season at Michigan is harsh.
January 10th, 2013 at 2:28 PM ^
Sorry, by that I meant we had such high hopes for him but he never had an impact at Michigan. Disappointment would have been a better choice of words.
January 10th, 2013 at 2:49 PM ^
McGuffie wasn't a flop. He was just Exhibit A for the proposition that "wow, that guy does amazing things in that highlight reel" and "that guy is exactly what we need" are two very different propositions.