SN sources: Big 12 talk expansion of member school

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SN sources: Big 12 talk expansion of member school

They are looking at go up to 12 – 15 teams

BYU

Maybe move to east Cincinnati and Connecticut

Or South in Florida adding Central Florida and South Florida

OR nothing happen at all..

 

What you think?

 

Link:

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball-news/4693363-big-12-confere…

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NittanyFan

February 2nd, 2016 at 12:59 PM ^

(1) I think they have definitely EARNED the opportunity on the field and such.  They've expanded Nippert, will be renovating the basketball arena, are improving academics (I doubt they get there but UC is at least on the borderlines of conversations for future AAU schools) and have been credible on both the football field and the basketball court for ~10 years now.  (although Tommy Tuberville is at risk of ruining things in terms of "football achievement.")

(2) Would fit the conference: natural bridge to West Virginia, which is an outlier.

(3) Increases Cincinnati's profile in the state of Ohio.  From the POV of non-Buckeye fans, that's a good thing.  Ohio State marginalizes Cincinnati at every chance possible, and an invite to "the big leagues" makes that harder to do.

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rainingmaize

February 2nd, 2016 at 1:14 PM ^

Some Big 12 athletic directors were really pushing for Louisville before they were out voted by the pro TCU group, so they were interested in adding to that geographic demographic. The key deciding factor for Cincinnati is what their athletic budget is, as well as the overall state of their facilities. I can tell you that at least from the Big 12 school I work at, our AD isn't in a huge rush to add schools.

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NittanyFan

February 2nd, 2016 at 1:30 PM ^

in terms of a Power 5 facility.  Its new capacity is still at least 10% below that of every current Big XII team.

UC's selling points are more athletic credibility and market vs. budget and facilities.  I understand what you are saying, though: the budget and facilities are more the deciding factors to the powers that be.

I always thought Louisville was a miss by the Big XII back in 2011-12.  UL has a lot going for it --- it helps to be the only game in a relatively large town.

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MI Expat NY

February 2nd, 2016 at 2:33 PM ^

Nippert is pretty close in size to TCU and Baylor's stadium.  What's 40,000 vs. 45,000, really? Plus, It's not like Cincy would enter a conference filled with stadiums 85,000 and up like the SEC.  Take out Oklahoma and Texas and you're at stadiums of 60,000 or less.  I don't think Nippert would stand out for being tiny compared to their Big 12 peers.  

Nippert is also as big or bigger than P5 stadiums at Vandy, Duke, Wake Forest, and Washington State.  Yes, probably still "marginal" by P5 standards, but not a complete outlier either.   

Finally, I'm not sure size of stadium would be important given geographical distance from conference mates.  I doubt your average Big 12 fan who wants to travel to Cincy to see a road game is going to be unable to find a ticket.  I don't know if Cincy is a serious contender or not, I just don't think they'll be turned down based on lack of facilities given the money they've invested in improving that area.

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ak47

February 2nd, 2016 at 12:59 PM ^

They should just take Nebraska back.  For all the shit we give Rutgers Nebraska doesn't add jack to the conference.  Football program is probably going to tank with Riley at the helm and no more ability to recruit Texas while in the big ten.  They will probably never be better than mediocre in basketball, no recruiting advantage to have that state, they don't bring a large tv market and to top if off its the worst school academically.  Just let them go back.

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rainingmaize

February 2nd, 2016 at 1:17 PM ^

Brings in a lot of revenue, and is one of the seven or eight departments in D1 that don'the operate in the red. They also spend a lot, so even if they are producing mediocre results, they have the resources to turn it around. They are a lot better fit than Rutgers.

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kbchex

February 2nd, 2016 at 1:02 PM ^

I live in Salt Lake City. The fact that Utah and BYU aren't guaranteed to play every year is ridiculous. They were able to remedy this with the bowl game this year, but that's (obviously) not guaranteed either. I know this isn't a national rivalry, but it's a big deal around these parts.

The problem with this idea is that BYU thinks they're Notre Dame. Hence the move to independance and the starting of their own network. When your head coach jumps ship for UVA, you're not Notre Dame. 

It'll be a disappointment if they join the Big 12.

 

 

 

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MI Expat NY

February 2nd, 2016 at 2:42 PM ^

I would be very surprised if adding four schools makes financial sense.  As the linked article says, given that they have been granted permission to stage a championship game at 10 teams, adding schools just splits up that added revenue.  Each new program has to carry their own weight with tv deals and other conference revenue streams.  I'm not sure anyone they're talking about outside of BYU can really do that.  There might be intangibles and reasons to still go to 12 despite a small conference revenue hit for each current member, but I can't see 14 with a larger revenue hit.

If they add BYU, I think they add Cincy to act as a bridge with WVU.  If they nix BYU because of the Sunday problem the decision likely comes down to the geographic/competitiveness plusses of Cincy/UConn with the advantage of getting into Florida for recruiting, etc..

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KC Wolve

February 2nd, 2016 at 2:30 PM ^

True, but as a KSU grad id like to see something happens before OU and or TX bolt and leave KSU behind. Houston seems obv, but in terms of revenue, they really don't bring much to the table. As we all know, it doesn't have to make sense geographically as long as it will bring in tv money. May as well grab as many bucks as you can before the well runs dry.



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ABOUBENADHEM

February 2nd, 2016 at 1:32 PM ^

Can't take another thread about NSD, Crystal Balls, Rashan Gary, Harbaugh recruiting tactics, etc.! My two cents. I think this topic is really fun to watch. The maneuvering all the P5 conferences have done and are still doing (plus, those maneuverings by the schools that want in), and the long term strategic implications are huge. For the Big 12, my analysis is that its eat or be eaten time. Oklahoma appears to be unwilling to accept the status quo much longer. The difficult piece in this perhaps is to take the long view. Unlike a lot of posters on this board, I am one that is glad we have Rutgers and Maryland. Long term and for lots of reasons, I think that will prove to be a very good decision, especially including the academic/AAU fit. A marriage has to work on multiple fronts. Like it or not, for college presidents academics come ahead of athletics. Yes too, especially at Michigan. As but one example of the strategic importance of this topic, in 1964 Georgia Tech elected to move from the SEC to the ACC - a decision that by all accounts has proven to be a very bad long term move, but one that also took years to play out. Keep in mind, every conference has its set of also ran schools from a competitive standpoint. So, while people complain about how good Rutgers and Maryland aren't football-wise some perspective is due here I think. Plus, isn't it awfully nice to take a trip to the East Coast once in a while to see the sights and attend a football game we should win? The BIG 12 has a couple big, problematic issues, which will make this fun to watch. Texas and their big ego is issue #1, plus the pickings to add to the conference are pretty slim. There are no "home run" schools left for the Big 12 to add. I guess my point here is that the Big 12 would likely be ecstatic to have the choice to add two schools like Rutgers and Maryland. Think about it and be glad we are where we are.

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canzior

February 2nd, 2016 at 2:25 PM ^

I like change and I live in the DC area...it was nice that Michigan played at Maryland on my birthday weekend.  I also travel to NY a few times a year so it's nice not having to travel to A2 or some relatively small midwestern town to watch a game.  I would love to see the addition of any of the following(realistic or not) Oklahoma, UNC, Duke, UVA, VT, ND, GT or Texas.  VT has an awesome stadium and would be a lot of fun to watch Michigan play there at night. UNC-Duke are supposed to be a package deal I think, would love to see them compete in the B1G in basketball every year.  

 

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HimJarbaugh

February 2nd, 2016 at 1:34 PM ^

The Big 12 is reaching for anything they can at this point. WVU was like Rutgers to the B1G only it made less sense. 

If they just want some schools to get to 12 then they are just going to keep having problems. Best gets now are USF, UCF, East Carolina, and Houston. Only Houston makes sense of those.

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HimJarbaugh

February 2nd, 2016 at 2:43 PM ^

The thing about Cincinnati is that it doesn't really seem to add much either. Are there a lot of Cincinnati sports fans? Are Texas and Oklahoma okay splitting TV revenue with what is basically a C-USA school?

I imagine the same can be said for pretty much all of their candidates but at least the Florida schools are big and in a growing state. I suppose I could see Memphis, Cincy, and maybe a Florida school or two if they are really trying to go east. It just seems like outside of a P5 school, anything else would dilute the conference.

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LSAClassOf2000

February 2nd, 2016 at 2:15 PM ^

The Big 12 could choose to move east to add Cincinnati and Connecticut. Cincinnati has developed the most consistent football program of potential expansion candidates and is located in a major media market. UConn is four-time NCAA champion in men’s basketball and also adds the cachet of the dynastic women’s basketball program.

Well, if you're going to poach from the conference that just might have the most scattershot, disconnected conference, you may as well poach from the AAC. That being said, for some reason Connecticut in the Big XII does not compute in my mind - the Big 12, in my opinion, really needs to try and sell BYU on this or get another school in Texas....or Boise State. Then again, West Virginia somehow ended up in the Big XII because footprint, right?

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