Sam Webb: U-M Has 75% Chance of Getting Rashan Gary

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Sam Webb said this morning on WTKA that Michigan's chances at getting Rashan Gary are 75-25. He also said we're up to a 50-50 chance with Isaac Nauta. Not long ago, he had that one 80-20 in favor of Georgia, but Georgia's collapse on the field has helped us.

DrMantisToboggan

October 27th, 2015 at 4:57 PM ^

Relative trash, among ranked receivers. Academically Staee is trash relative to Michigan, but among every single university in the world they're a fine school. However, we don't care about every university in the world, we care about the ones that US New & World Report or Business Insider puts on a list. There are thousands of wide receivers playing high school football, but we probably only pay attention to MAYBE 100 receivers with reasonable D1 offers. Pie is ranked in the bottom end of that group despite having offers from coaches who everyone would agree are elite talent scouts and winners. How many receivers ranked above Young have the offers that he does? 

 

Like I said I enjoy recruiting analytics, I frequent recruiting sites. It's fun. All I am saying is that when I come across a kid who is ranked very low (relative) that has the offers of a 5-star, I chuckle to myself thinking about a writer for Rivals/Scout/247 thinking they know talent better than an elite coach, and I hope that kid gets a chance at that big-time program to prove the analysts wrong. 

Roc Blue in the Lou

October 28th, 2015 at 12:45 AM ^

Putting together a roster is best left to guys like Harbaugh and Saban, and i don't believe they put a high value on stars.  I doubt Magnus or anyone else on this blog would argue that point.  However, having a third party, if you will, collect, review, analyze and publish its ratings of a mass of high school talent situated throughout the country is a helpful recource.  It's kind of like movie critics--i don't always agree with them, and they certainly can be wrong about a particular movie, but they serve a purpose.  Usually, i won't change my mind about viewing a movie that said critics pan...so long as i'm interested in the film.  However, on ocassion a very positive critique about a movie previously unknown to me may cause me to dig a little deeper and, possibly, go see the film. 

Danwillhor

October 27th, 2015 at 10:56 AM ^

had a single 5*, iirc. Mostly 2-3* guys. How? I'd assume sheer volume. I'd assume the odds/% would strongly dictate that a "blue chip" player will be a valuable player in college opposed to a "bust". I think the opposite is true for a NR-2* kid as they tend to be what they're ranked. It seems to me that the extremes are pretty accurate but the real "who the f knows?" kids are those 3*-low 4* types. I just don't think those rankings are very accurate given that they are high variable kids (growth, coaching, system fit, etc). I find the scariest kids, unknowns, are often in that middle section. They can be stars or never see the field. I think an NR-2* kid making it is about as rare as a unanimous 5* being a total bust. That's just a feeling. Finally, I only follow recruiting from what I read here anymore. I used to be very plugged in but kind of stopped caring what a kid does. I say that with zero self-righteousness. I hope we get good players but I'm long over caring about which players.

Albatross

October 27th, 2015 at 4:52 PM ^

not have had any 5 star recruits, but the last 20 National Champions were all dripping with 5 star recruits. Last I checked college teams aren't recruiting to win a Super Bowl.

There are a lot of variables with anyone that age so it isn't an exact science. But recruiting rankings have been the best indication of a program's level of success, and we aren't talking about a small sampling.

Albatross

October 27th, 2015 at 4:53 PM ^

The 1998 class included Justin Fargas (No. 1 RB), David Terrell (No. 1 WR) Marquies Walker (No. 2 WR), Drew Henson (No. 3 QB) and Larry Foote (No 1 saftey).

Michigan had no problem pulling in top tier talent and being in the mix for top recruits was standard operating procedure up until we hired RichRod.

Big_H

October 27th, 2015 at 9:38 AM ^

Man, the class we might end up with is amazing. All we need to do is keep winning. 9-3 with a bowl win to finish 10-3 would really show these kids where they need to come play.

FauxMo

October 27th, 2015 at 9:40 AM ^

For those of you with problems understanding probabilities - and there are many of you on here, as I learned yesterday in the "high school football deaths" thread - here is a simplified way to understand what Sam Webb is saying.

Let's say we have 4 Rashan Gary Marbles, 3 Red Rashans and 1 Yellow Rashan. We put those 4 Rashan Gary Marbles into a paper bag. We then reach our hand into that paper bag and, without looking, select one and only one of the 4 Rashan Marbles. Our odds of landing the human Rashan Gary as a football recruit are the same as the odds of us selecting a Red Rashan Gary Marble from the aforementioned paper bag. Those odds are pretty darn high.

No need to thank me, I am happy to help...

FauxMo

October 27th, 2015 at 9:57 AM ^

I was going to make the marbles black and white, as that is how it normally goes in these examples. But I had a feeling that some idiot on here would have cried "RACISM!" no matter how I chose to divide the marbles. Therefore, I chose the easy way out and made them neither black nor white. :-D

1464

October 27th, 2015 at 9:50 AM ^

But what about the size of the marbles?  Do we have any of the big ones that you throw at the little ones?  Or are the red ones all little ones?  If so, I don't like our chances.  Little marbles are less likely to get picked than big ones.

Does anyone on here even know the rules to marbles anymore?

FauxMo

October 27th, 2015 at 10:16 AM ^

That is correct. However, while that is probably the best we can do, they are almost certainly not independent. Indeed, it is often the case that success builds success in recruiting. So if one were to drop for us first, my guess is that the odds of the second one dropping for us would improve, since they don't play the same position.

Quick, someone put together a massive Bayesian model of our odds of landing both!!! ;-)

Blue Noise

October 27th, 2015 at 9:41 AM ^

Sam, Sam, Sam. We all see what you're up to here. We all remember last year when you incrementally raised the percentage of our chance of securing Harbaugh each day at such a rate that it would reach 100% on the last Sunday in December.

There are currently 99 days until National Signing Day, so if the percentage of landing Gary goes up 0.25252525% everyday until February 3, we know we've got Gary.

Likewise, if the percentage of signing Nauta goes up 0.50505051% each day until NSD, then we know Nauta is also in the bag.

You must think we're all pretty stupid.