Saints’ PR Team Implicated in Covering Up Church’s Pedophilia
Surely this will be as outrageous as Kaep kneeling during the anthem right?
January 24th, 2020 at 11:39 AM ^
they did what now
January 24th, 2020 at 11:45 AM ^
Saints’ (Football team) ownership is attempting to suppress emails showing high level executives helping the church with damage control against allegations of child abuse that they’re currently being sued for.
January 24th, 2020 at 1:43 PM ^
Ok but they did nothing wrong, unless their advice was to cover it up and not prosecute any offending members of the church.
January 24th, 2020 at 3:14 PM ^
Did the MGoCrowd seriously debate the morals of Catholic Church?
Not opposed to a debate (if you want to call it that) on this topic but this is like website #4,352 on my list of websites where I would come to discuss religion (other than fake football coach “gawd talk” - the Hugh Freeze / Dabo Sweeney types)
January 24th, 2020 at 7:51 PM ^
Is that still a thing since points don’t work?
January 24th, 2020 at 11:42 AM ^
In the Age of Outrage, everything is outrageous and nothing is. This will barely register. Not saying it should be that way but here we are.
January 24th, 2020 at 11:45 AM ^
Have any Catholics here stopped tithing with the knowledge that some of your money is definitely going to this kind of thing?
January 24th, 2020 at 11:49 AM ^
Doubtful. These are the same people who believe the big boogeyman in the sky watches everything you do every second of your life. So you tell me if they're going to stop giving.
January 24th, 2020 at 11:50 AM ^
Isn’t that stereotype generally associated with Born Again Christians who are Protestant and don’t like Catholics lol...
January 24th, 2020 at 11:55 AM ^
Bigotry and prejudice are generally associated with poor reasoning, so I'm not surprised that things get a bit muddled here.
January 24th, 2020 at 2:44 PM ^
Religion is the definition of poor reasoning
January 24th, 2020 at 3:40 PM ^
Indeed. No difference in believing in Zeus, Marduk, Baal or any of the others of thousands of religions past and present...yet somehow believers are certain that they found the answers in their specific faith, often the one they happened to be born into.
I always get a kick out of religious folk that make fun of scientology or Mormonism, as if their religion makes any more sense, or is any less cultish amongst the true believers.
Flying Spaghetti Monster!
January 24th, 2020 at 7:29 PM ^
...except that Jesus rose from the dead!
January 24th, 2020 at 11:57 AM ^
The problem is not with "the big boogeyman in the sky" as you call him. The problem is with the churches that don't follow what "the big boogeyman in the sky" actually says in the handbook they use every Sunday (or Saturday).
January 24th, 2020 at 5:20 PM ^
Right, thank you.
The principle behind tithing (or giving) is that: (1) there is a Creator, (2) he is the source of all things, (3) which includes our job and money, and (4) giving is a symbol that we recognize that we aren't truly owners of what we have, but rather stewards.
If people don't believe (1) and/or (2) and/or (3), that's fine. But (4) really does logically follow if one does believe all of (1), (2) and (3).
Now, I've seen it happen. I give $X to my Parish (or Alma Mater) - and then they go use it for stupid purposes. But that's on them. My donations go elsewhere in those occasions.
January 24th, 2020 at 12:57 PM ^
Such an inclusive take
January 24th, 2020 at 1:11 PM ^
Dont cut yourself on that edge.
January 24th, 2020 at 1:13 PM ^
See, it's this kind of dumbass take that conflates the organization with the people. Every organization or enterprise has its flaws, some colossal like the Catholic church's. Those same organizations have as members, employees, followers, etc. the type of individual that has good in their heart and brain. You are just too damn small-minded to understand such a complex (s/) concept.
Ready for the thread to go bye-bye.
January 24th, 2020 at 11:51 AM ^
The Catholic Church is fucking horrible... and this is coming from someone who was raised Catholic.
January 24th, 2020 at 1:24 PM ^
Catholic school/upbringing has created quite a few atheists out there, myself included.
January 24th, 2020 at 1:51 PM ^
I was raised Catholic but have been an agnostic since the late 90's.
I look at it this way, i don't know if there is or isn't a god and I'm okay with that. No one actually kmows.
January 24th, 2020 at 11:53 AM ^
I've thought the same thing, but more on a worldwide scale. I'm sure there are those who have left the church, but not enough to make anyone truly notice.
When your church's general message is that the way to eternal salvation is through us and only us, that's enough to make people afraid of leaving.
January 24th, 2020 at 12:08 PM ^
I can't think of a single Christian Church like that...
January 24th, 2020 at 12:24 PM ^
I have, fwiw.
January 24th, 2020 at 12:29 PM ^
Sports have had their fair share of scandals and coverups and yet people still watch, buy tickets and merchandise.
Sports and religion have alot in common. Cover ups at high levels is one of them and this is true of pretty much every single large organization.
January 24th, 2020 at 12:36 PM ^
And both endeavor mostly to grow in membership, influence, and wealth. The amount of money these organizations sit on is staggering. So is their institutional tendency toward denial and secrecy.
January 24th, 2020 at 12:38 PM ^
Including politics.
(No politics!)
January 24th, 2020 at 1:22 PM ^
Many years ago.
January 24th, 2020 at 1:33 PM ^
Negged for suggesting that Catholics tithe. I’ve seen studies report that U.S. Catholics give about 1% to the Church. In short, they tithe their tithe. I, myself, as a Catholic, decided not to contribute to my parish’s latest capitol campaign. The Church needs to focus on healing and transparency (and women’s rights,) and not on building more edifices to replace the ones they had to sell as part of the scandals.
January 24th, 2020 at 1:46 PM ^
Women’s rights ? What are Catholics doing that doesn’t promote women’s rights ? I genuinely have no idea where you are going with that one ?
January 24th, 2020 at 7:52 PM ^
You serious, Clark?
January 24th, 2020 at 11:47 AM ^
Doing everything I can to keep my opinions to myself about said church......
I'm no Catholic (nor am I really Christian either), but while I can recognize that the Catholic Church has done its fair share of good in this world.....my god does it have its share of bad, too.
January 24th, 2020 at 12:36 PM ^
The more organized a religious faith becomes, the more mischief it's going to get into. Once you rise to the level of institutions, it becomes about protecting and feeding the institution instead of whatever it was you believed at the beginning. If you can even remember.
January 24th, 2020 at 2:13 PM ^
1.2 billion Catholics comprise 50% of all Christians worldwide and 16% of the world's total population. The Catholic Church is the oldest single institution in western world, with roots going back nearly 2000 years.
There is plenty of abuse going on in every religion, including Islam and the protestant versions of Christianity. It just doesn't get nearly as much press.
That said, many of us are disgusted with the way the sexual abuses were handled by the Vatican. Donations are down and so is mass attendance.
But this stuff isn't being ignored or stuffed under the rug so much anymore.
January 24th, 2020 at 12:12 PM ^
Here come the closet bigots, eager to take a shot at Catholics.
January 24th, 2020 at 12:27 PM ^
When your church covers up a pedophilia problem, you might take a few well deserved shots.
January 24th, 2020 at 12:30 PM ^
The Church has never taken a hit on its pedophile problem that it didn't fully 100% deserve or have coming.
January 24th, 2020 at 12:39 PM ^
Bigots? Really? Aren't you the bigot for wanting to infect public school classrooms with the teaching of creationism in the classroom and other pseudoscience bs?
How about the time the pope said aids isn't as bad as condoms? The organization is a mess.
January 24th, 2020 at 1:30 PM ^
To be fair, Catholics don't try to inject creationism into the public school curriculum. They don't even teach it in their own private schools.
There are plenty of things to criticize the church for, including the systematic rape and torture of children and the subsequent cover-ups.
January 24th, 2020 at 1:06 PM ^
Some of the shots on Catholics in general are unfortunate. Shots at the Catholic Church leadership for uncountable scandals and policy positions that impact millions of people are fair game.
January 24th, 2020 at 1:55 PM ^
unless said catholics stopped supporting that leadership, then I would say they are fair game too. Saddly that includes my parents who sent me to Catholic school K-12, and are still giving money to the machine. At this point, for many older churchgoers, it is just a little late in the game to give up the idea that the good lord will escort you into eternal salvation with the help of the friendly neighborhood priest.
January 24th, 2020 at 1:26 PM ^
I guess that I'm a bigot that I have a huge problem with the Catholic Church spending millions of dollars suing New York State to stop the State from enacting the Child Victims Act... or that the Catholic Church buried the numerous credible allegations against four priests that served at the church I grew up going to or that one of those is a priests was someone I served under as an alter boy and abused several children that were my age at the same time.
The Catholic Church is reaping what they've sowed.
January 24th, 2020 at 1:44 PM ^
Go ahead guys, really wring it all out.
January 24th, 2020 at 12:27 PM ^
Not really sure what this has to do with Kaep, but no I don’t think the saints owner will get a mega shoe deal out of this.
January 24th, 2020 at 12:31 PM ^
Super hot take alert:
The problem here is institutions, generally. The incentive structure presented to individuals inside the institution is such that their top priority is to propagate the institutions goals and its existence, at essentially any cost. i.e. the institution itself is amoral and just wants to grow at all cost.
The Catholic Church is basically Penn State is basically Baylor is basically MSU is basically (probably also) Michigan.
Please someone talk me down from this hot take ledge, but it's basically how I feel lately. Also, I don't really know how it is possible to make the incentives presented by such institutions align with incentives that promote general welfare.
January 24th, 2020 at 12:31 PM ^
All I got from that entire article was a member of the Saint's PR staff gave private advice on how to handle public relations. It appears this was done because the owner is a Catholic with strong ties to the Church. The entire article shows nothing about how they assisted in covering it up, it actually says the exact opposite. I'm not going to be outraged over it. I'm outraged at the people who did it and those who allowed it to happen. Not going to be outraged at the people who are victims or the people who work for the Catholic Church that had nothing to do with it.
January 24th, 2020 at 1:09 PM ^
"All I got from that entire article was a member of the Saint's PR staff gave private advice on how to handle public relations."
The article clearly states it wasn't just "a member":
"Attorneys for the men suing the church say multiple Saints personnel, including senior vice president of communications Greg Bensel, used their team emails to advise church officials on "messaging" and how to soften the impact of the arch-diocese's release of a list of clergy members "credibly accused" of sexual abuse."
I presume Gayle Benson is the sole owner of the franchise, and if so, she is free to direct her employees to do whatever she wants them to do. If that includes helping the local archdiocese deal with a pedophilia scandal, that's her right. There are no stockholders whose opinions she has to consider.
However, I do wonder if the Saints franchise has been the recipient of public tax dollars.
Having said this, Gayle Benson is a freaking idiot if she thinks that having multiple members of her organization use their official Saints email accounts to assist the Catholic Church isn't going to be extremely controversial, especially given what they're assisting the church for.
January 24th, 2020 at 1:14 PM ^
Jesus, you read the article and formed your own opinion? What kind of person does that nowadays. To the stocks with you!
Read the headline, or at least no more than the first paragraph where the press (left or right) tells you what you should think, then immediately be outraged like everyone else.