Ricardo Miller's the Man
"A guy that has been impressing me is Ricardo Miller," Schilling said. "He's a young guy, but he's trying to take a leadership role as far as the freshmen.
"He likes to talk to us seniors, and find out what he can do to help all the time. You can tell he really loves Michigan. He's wanted to come here his entire life. He's a young guy who could have a really bright future, because he's hungry and he works hard. He's going to be a good leader in the future, definitely."
No need for me to comment, Schilling says it all.
http://www.michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1106651
EDIT: Sorry to stir up so much controversy folks. Maybe this is why I have been reading this sight for 2 years, and hardly ever post. Anyways, Go Blue! BTW: I'm currently living in Omaha, Nebraska in the military, and I have been letting all the Husker fans know what's going to happen to them when the winged helmets come out here to Memorial Stadium.
The content you just pasted is pay-walled.
I gave you Schilling's quote about Miller.
I'm just saying, you're essentially stealing from these guys when you paste their pay-walled quotes onto free websites. This is how the guy makes a living, afterall.
Yeah, I understood what you meant after I posted that.
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You can always find it here, if you need to reference it again.
It's two quotes from a guy who plays for Michigan. I know the writer had to ask the questions (or overhear them), and I know he had to transcribe the answers, but I think everyone's livelihood will continue on in much the same way now that this breaking news (Ricardo Miller is a good guy) has gone public.
Obviously it's a given that most people on this site think Ricardo Miller is a good guy. This was insight from a senior talking about the things Ricardo is starting to do early in his career to become a leader at such a young stage in it. Sorry if it didn't get you as excited as it got me to see a true freshman walk in the door right away and want to take that leadership role and bring Michigan football back to where it belongs.
I think his comment was directed at me.
Drew - for one, the guy you replied to was agreeing with you. Also, and I know a lot of people (including myself) like to read stuff like this, but it's a courtesy around here (in addition to the law) not to post info behind paywalls.
True, doing it just this once isn't a big deal, but you have to draw the line somewhere.
We appreciate your dedication to UM and your willingness to share good info (one of the things that makes this site so great) but some info just can't be shared.
Maybe my fault for inadequate context - I think it's great that you posted these quotes, I am interested in precisely this kind of thing, and I don't see any issue with posting two short quotes from a Michigan player's mouth and linking to an article.
This is not secret or insider info that you couldn't get by asking Schilling, it's not something the writer came up with himself - it's precisely the type of thing, in small amounts, that should be posted despite being behind a paywall.
I really don't understand your logic here.
"This is not secret or insider info that you couldn't get by asking Schilling..."
How many of us on this site regularly talk to Schilling? It is insider information because Borton is on the inside of summer training and talking to the team.
Borton does a pretty good job covering UM, and it's not right to undermine his efforts by posting his pay-walled journalism on this site, even if you think stealing is ok in small doses.
And the OP is not linking to the article, because as I said, the article is pay-walled.
You can't steal words freely given by a player to a journalist, regardless of the journalist's revenue generation scheme. Taking two quotes from a player can't possibly affect Borton's operation, period.
The OP didn't post the entire article, or indeed, any of Borton's original thought. If he did, though I wouldn't care much, you would be completely right. But instead, he did the right thing (which basically never happens), and you call him out. The ethics of this have been discussed before by Brian.
And he DID link to the article - you can view it if you subscribe.
The author can't copyright the quote from Schilling, so pasting the quote here isn't stealing. Even in other cases where someone summarizes an author's work, as long as you give the author credit for it, it's fine. For example, if someone puts together a Top X list of schools with descriptions and reasoning for each of their places, providing the list and linking the site for more detail is part of fair-use and also helps point more traffic to the author's site.
with Wichitan Wolverine. These are paid sites and the information behind their walls is on a pay for view structure. It is not so much an issue of how much they charge, rather the fact that they do charge, and you must respect their right to charge.
They don't have a right to charge for someone else's words.
It's a small enough portion of a larger article that it seems fine to me. Not exactly breaking news.
As long as he's not posting the article it's fine. There is no copyright protection on a quote, which was all he posted.
It's OK, the Freep will take this quote and turn it into a story.
Amirite, Vlad Emilien?
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This guy will our best recruiter in the state of Florida
I can't wait til Miller is allowed to talk to the media later in his Michigan career. I have a feeling that he is the next Mike Hart, making guarantees and donning our weaker foes with great nicknames.
He'll be one of Mike Hart's assistants when Mike becomes head coach.
30 years from now after Rich Rod retires, right?
National Titles.....
Only four?
I'm thinking a minimum 8-pete
in the future, national titles will be known as "Cardos".
not 2...... or 3...........4..............5..............6..............7........ BUT 8 FREAKING TITLES
Even if Ricardo Miller never pans out as a player, the work he's done in recruiting and the positive attitude and true love for Michigan he brings to the program has more than covered his free education in my book.
This man is THE single best example of a Michigan Man in his recruiting class.
someone posted a tweet/facebook status of his while RM was on his way to Ann Arbor, said something along the lines of "headed to AA, time to go to work." wish that type of work ethic could be bottled and shared.
You just can't not like Ricardo Miller. Good work, son.
for the #1 jersey, and if his play matches his commitment to Michigan, he'll get it
You can't copyright news (only your specific presentation of it), and you sure as hell can't copyright someone else's quote. Ergo, it's not stealing. A paywall is a revenue generation scheme, not a legal form of copyright protection.
edit: supposed to be a reply to an earlier comment. not sure how it ended up down here.
Maybe, but that doesn't make it right. And it's just something that's not accepted around here, both by Brian and by most of the posters. Whether or not you think it's technically illegal, it's still someones job to do that, and they're most likely a fellow M fan. Let's respect that, and for those of us who want all that info, we can scrounge up 8 bucks a month or something like that.
Then maybe I don't understand the rules, which is totally possible. I just thought C&Ping from an article behind a paywall was a no-no, regardless of the nature of the article.
I think it's up to Rivals what they want behind a paywall and what they don't, and if they deem it premium content, we should respect that.
And just so we're all clear, I don't have a subscription to any of the pay sites, so I'm not saying this because I have access. I don't, it's a principle thing.
and this is substance not from a source or developing story but, instead, a player quote. It is outside of an essay by the author and is a stand-alone thought. had this been about a recruit or something where the original Rivals article was part of a growing story where the original writer should get credit for breaking and, in turn, be permitted to build upon their original story you would have a point. this, however, fails the "would i be pissed" test for me.
It seems there is a lot of confusion here about what can be permissibly posted. This thread does not invoke a copyright issue. Period. The only "wrong" you are describing is a potential breach of contract (the OP presumably entered into a license agreement when he signed up for Rivals. I have no idea what that agreement said).
A breach of contract is neither illegal nor immoral. By posting a player's direct quotations from the article, the OP at worst conferred upon Rivals the right to seek damages against the OP, or terminate the license agreement. In this case, Rivals almost certainly would think of doing neither, and lose the damages case if it tried. It was a benign post.
give me a break...If he didn't quote the lines verbatim, there wouldn't be any problem. Besides, he paid for the news, which as the above poster said, isn't copyrighted. So...as poor form it is to spew Tom Beavers rediculous percent and utter retarded cryptic messages or whatever is behind 'the fort', he bought that information and can do what he pleases.
Brian has basically put Rivals et al out of the "charging for news" business. He himself has commented many times about how the newspaper industry (online) is doomed for this precise reason.
See Brian's comment above:
http://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/ricardo-millers-man#comment-560444
TomVH get us the info for FREE, a few nanoseconds after the announcement (and even before some of the time), so there is basically no viable business model for them anyway.
The earlier poster is spot on with the legality/ copyright comment.
You are just bitter that you pay for something that pretty much any tech savvy person can get for free.
EDIT: comment directed at @WolvinLa2 . Reply button is on the fritz.
it works if Chip Brown does it though
Actually it was accepted by Brian earlier in these comments. He said it wasn't a big deal.
Yeah, mine were posted before Brian chimed in. But I can admit when I'm wrong, so apologies all around.
who's right in this legal conundrum...be he said ergo...so i'm goin with this guy.
Ricardo Miller = Michigan Man
he would want to be more like Ricardo :-)
.....within any organization. It's great to see Ricardo step up as de facto leader of the Freshman class as well as our most effective recruiter.
While we've had obvious gaps in overall talent and experience these past two seasons that manifested into an 8-16 buzz kill, we've also had a major void in player leadership on both sides of the ball. I see Molk and Forcier (even in the role of Co-QB) stepping up this year as our clear leaders for Offense, maybe not with the flair of a Mike Hart, but providing a critical leadership role nonetheless. We desperately need someone to step up on Defense; hopefully someone like Martin, Roh or Obi.