Ravens defensive packages and where Michigan’s players might fit in

Submitted by rugbypike11 on January 21st, 2021 at 5:15 PM

I posted this on the 247 Michigan board and it was well received, so I thought I would share a second draft with you all as well.  I'm also curious what some of the coach types like Magnus think about where guys could fit in, and what schemes the new defensive staff might implement.  

So not knowing what schemes MacDonald might implement, I was thinking about how our existing personnel might fit into the Ravens defensive packages.  The Ravens run a 3-4 base, but the base defense is really only utilized against larger formations (12, 21, 22 personnel).  The Ravens ran the base 3-4 21.6% of time time in 2020, 11-13% of the time in 2019 (depending on source), and 16% of the time in 2018.  Check out this video for an extended explainer of the Ravens defensive formations in 2019:

The tweener DE/OLB types on the roster are now easier to slot into a position.  The viper LB/S hybrids are a bit tougher, but I’m guessing that most of them will take a shot at ILB/Will, but 1-2 might just end up at safety.  Okay, so first, the base 3-4, my guesses as to where guys will fit, and some positions labeled.

SDE: Aidan Hutchinson, Gabe Newburg, Braiden McGregor, TJ Guy
NT: Mazi Smith, Donovan Jeter, Phil Paea, Dominick Giudice
WDE/DT: Chris Hinton, Julius Welschof, Mike Morris, Kris Jenkins

SOLB/SAM/Edge LB: David Ojabo, Ben VanSumeren, Junior Colson, Tyler McLaurin
SILB/Mike: Josh Ross, Kalel Mullings, Cornell Wheeler, Jaydon Hood, Nikhai Hill-Green
WILB/Will: Michael Barrett, Anthony Solomon, William Mohan, Joey Velazquez
WOLB/Edge LB: Taylor Upshaw, Jaylen Harrell, Kechaun Barrett

SS: Daxton Hill (SS in base 3-4 packages, but maybe play Nickel more of the time), Makari Paige, Jordan Morant, Quinten Johnson, Sammy Faustin, German Green, 
FS: Brad Hawkins, RJ Moten, Hunter Reynolds, Rod Moore

CB Vincent Gray, Andre Seldon, DJ Turner, Jalen Perry, George Johnson
CB Gemon Green, Eamonn Dennis, Darion Green Warren

From our 2019 LB corps, only two guys who seem like they could even have a shot at playing OLB/Edge.  First, while I wasn’t sold on Ben VanSumeren as a 3-3-5 stack Sam, he has an interesting size and athleticism profile to play in more of an Edge role.  Second is Josh Ross.  He’s 6-2, 230ish, and could have the frame to bulk up to 240+ and play on the edge.  I also thought he struggled a bit last year, and if he gets passed up at ILB by incoming transfers or younger guys like Barrett and Mullings, maybe he can earn a living setting the edge.  I don’t know what he looks like rushing the passer from the edge, and if he’s not good at that, he’s probably not really a candidate to move to Sam, especially in the “standard Nickel” that the Ravens have been running.

The Ravens standard Nickel is a 2-4-5, which means the NT comes off the field replaced by a slot CB, the DEs function as interior linemen or DTs, and the OLBs are the edge rushers.  It’s basically a 4-2-5 where the edge rushers are standing up.  The Ravens played the standard Nickel almost 1/3rd of the time in 2019 and roughly 39% of the time in 2020.  The Ravens slot Nickel is a big physical CB, Marlon Humphrey.  My way too early guess is that Nickel will be Daxton Hill’s most frequently played position in 2021, but maybe someone like RJ Moten factors in here.  MacDonald probably prefers to play a CB here, but our lack of CB depth might force one of the many safeties into a Nickel position.

The standard Nickel is where Hutchinson’s role is a bit harder to peg.  Are you comfortable with him as one of your two interior linemen in the base Nickel, or do you think he would be better off as one of the standup edge players?  My first guess was that they’ll try to build him up from his listed weigh of 270 pounds to 280-285 and play him more inside, but that could change depending on who is added through the transfer portal or if someone else emerges as a guy they’re more comfortable with on the interior (Smith and Welschof seem like the candidates to emerge as interior guys).  Based on how I listed the 3-4 positions, Hinton and Hutchison would be the starting interior linemen in the standard Nickel.  I’m curious what you guys think about Hutchinson.  Alternatively, you could keep Hutchinson on the outside in the Nickel instead of being married to the idea of moving the 4/5 Techs inside in the standard Nickel.  IF you run these Ravens schemes, where do you think Hutch would be the best fit?  Most of the NFL draft sites list him as an EDGE, and I saw one that projected him as a 5 tech DE.

The Ravens also have a Jumbo Nickel.  In this package, they take off one of their ILBs and keep three defensive linemen on the field.  This is KIND of a 3-3-5, but it’s not a stack, because they’re keeping the OLB/DE types on the edge close to the line of scrimmage (and in the video, a safety lines up near where the Will would be).  If you think of the 2-4-5 as pretty much equivalent to the 4-2-5, this Jumbo Nickel is more like a 5-1-5, but the edge guys should have more competency than an anchor sized DE when dropping into a zone or into the flat.   They played this package about 9% of the time in 2019 and 8.24% of time in 2020.  They play this package to stop the run against 11 personnel (3 WR, 1 RB, 1 TE).

The standard Dime package was used 23% of the time in 2019 and 16.2%, and it can feature 1 DL and three OLB edge rushers, two DL and two OLB edge rushers, or four OLB edge rushers.  This was used to matchup against 4 WR sets, and the Ravens ran both 4 CB and 3 S variants.

The Ravens also ran a big Nickel package about 5% of the time in 2019, and only 0.63% of the time in 2020.  This was more common against two TE offenses where they want to be stouter against the run.  Here, they play a Safety at the Nickel instead of the slot CB, but they basically maintain the 2-4-5 look.  They ran this package more frequently early in 2019, but dropped the look after some injuries to their safety core.  Maaaybe a guy like Solomon or Mohan plays some Nickel in this package, but this is usually a safety, and not so much a safety/LB hybrid.

Of course, Mike MacDonald is his own man.  He might have some different ideas about defensive personnel groupings, formation, and schemes.  Maybe they have a role where Hutchinson sets the edge in the base Nickel package instead of playing inside most of the time.  He’s one of those rare guys who could play DE, RLB, or even DT (not NT) with some extra bulk.

Ken McKusick over at FilmStudyBaltimore.com is a charting maniac, so I just threw his numbers in Excel to figure out what defensive packages the Ravens ran the most in 2020, including the playoff games.  His website is also where I found the video posted earlier.

3-4 Base: 21.63%

Nickel Packages: 60.18%

Dime Packages: 16.2%

The remaining ~2% was a mix of goal line, quarter, and a handful of alternate base looks (like, they throw in a random 4-3ish look)

The Nickel is a pretty big percentage, so here's what that breakdown looks like:

Standard Nickel (2-4-5 with 2 DL, 2 OLB/Edge, 2 ILB): 38.91%

Jumbo Nickel (3-3-5 with 3 DL, 2 OLB/Edge, 1 ILB): 8.24%

Big Nickel (Safety instead of slot CB): 0.63%

Rush Nickel (1 DL, 3 OLB/Edge types, 2 ILB): 5.88%

Racecar Nickel (1 DL, 4 OLB/Edge types, 1 ILB): 6.52%

Some Call Me.... Tim

January 21st, 2021 at 5:44 PM ^

 

With the way the 3-4 functions nowadays with defensive flexibility at an all-time high, you don't see a ton of the traditional gigantic 350+ lb nose tackles. I mean in all honesty the 2-4-5 and 4-2-5 aren't really all that different depending on how you treat the edge players. A lot of people complain about the lack of a big 0 tech in our defense, and switching to the Ravens style is probably the best way to mitigate a lot of those issues. Playing UW? Basically take the defense last year, remove the viper, add another DT, and stand the ends up and you have a solid base against that. For most of the B10 you don't need to run that and I think our front 7 personnel fits the modern 3-4 scheme extremely well

 

Ghost of Fritz…

January 21st, 2021 at 5:45 PM ^

I wonder if the guys Harbaugh hired for the defensive staff gave as detailed an analysis as the OP during the interview process of how they would use Michigan's players in their system...

chunkums

January 21st, 2021 at 6:07 PM ^

This is excellent content. My only real issue is that Phil Paea is not a real person who exists. Nobody can convince me otherwise. I am a Phil Paea truther.

Rich Hokebaugh

January 21st, 2021 at 7:34 PM ^

How about Brady packages and where our QB's might be the next NFL Tom Brady at the college level?

NowTameInThe603

January 21st, 2021 at 7:38 PM ^

I for one am ready to see the Viper role disappear. Its great when you have Jabrill Peppers not so much anyone else. A guy who cant cover players with speed or stand up to physical blockers is a waste.

8.5.6

Phaedrus

January 21st, 2021 at 10:54 PM ^

I think this is a silly take. The whole reason the Horror happened and Chad Henne lost to OSU four times is because we didn’t have any hybrid backers.

Brown failed to evolve as offenses adapted to his scheme. He also didn’t seem to be a stellar recruiter. But faulting him for having a hybrid space player as a part of his defense in the era of the spread is weird (granted, it might not have been wise to play a viper on regular downs vs. Wisconsin, but that’s a different issue).

Linebackers, in general, need to be more safety-like vs. spread teams. They need to be more versatile. Our new defense may not distinguish between a nickel and a viper, it may just call the outside linebackers outside linebackers, but we will get annihilated by mediocre teams if we don’t have hybrid space players.

This is one position where it is hard to compare college to the NFL. In the NFL, most linebackers are fast as hell and can cover. Teams are mimicking the Patriots where you have a pretty much positionless back 7. With the exception of three or four teams, college teams can’t stockpile the talent to do that. 

scfanblue

January 21st, 2021 at 7:55 PM ^

They will not be running a pro defense because they only have maybe 1 pro player returning to that defense 

PaulWall

January 22nd, 2021 at 2:58 AM ^

Let's refer back to your comment after the OSU game next year and see if you still think they're playing other college players. Every single receiver, probably 3/5 oline, 1 te, 1rb (atleast), and have to assume qb (until they don't have a stud) is a pro player.  Making a "cuz they pay them" joke doesn't discredit the fact that physically and talent wise they are pro guys. 

outsidethebox

January 22nd, 2021 at 9:26 AM ^

If you/one looks at the listing of candidates to fill the positions and believe that the Michigan football glass is only half full-that's on you. There is plenty of talent here for the coaches to work with-they need to get to work and put these young men in positions to succeed.

iMBlue2

January 21st, 2021 at 8:56 PM ^

Hutch is unique as I think he could be a standup edge athletically if used like a Willie Mcginest was in the NFL, but can also be a 5 tech or DL.  
I think Taylor upshaw ends up at DL backing up Hutch.

I think someone like vansummeren could get a boost and would a natural fit at inside line back rather than the edge.  Mohan I think will play outside on the weak sides as he seems like one of the more gifted pass rushers despite body type.  Wondering how Barrett fits in, he needs to eat his Wheaties if planing to play inside.

great info though interested in seeing others thoughts.

My Name is LEGIONS

January 21st, 2021 at 11:04 PM ^

Are you sure Ross is 6-2 230?   Always seemed undersized to me watching the game.  Maybe I'm jaded from watching his brother. 

Fezzik

January 22nd, 2021 at 2:14 AM ^

Makes me wonder base defense would be best suited for a team with major weaknesses at DT and CB.

Press/man 2 corners with 2 safeties playing halves over the top for help because the CB help is clearly needed. With a lack of DTs I'd play our 2 biggest, strongest DTs (Hinton, Smith?) on or inside the guards to eat up as much space as possible. Hutch could flip as a down DE on either side. Ross at MLB primarily as a downhill run defender. Our 2 most athletic/physical LB/safety hybrids as stand up OLBs. Daxton would be the crown jewel of the D. He'd play a in the box middle safety where he can easily slide down to man up elite slots, sit in zone, blitz, or use that 4.3 speed downhill against the run or to shoot out to RBs in flats.

So maybe a version of the 3-3-5? But with Hill as our Troy Polamalu.

Gulogulo37

January 22nd, 2021 at 7:06 AM ^

The only problem is Macdonald is young and only the LBs coach. I'm not so sure he has much say in the overall structure of the Ravens' defense. We have no idea what he wants to run, except that we've heard Harbaugh wants more Quarters defense, although I'm not sure if you can really play that way without being committed to it, which would be fine by me. I can't say much about it as a layman, but it worked pretty well for State and Alabama. State just stopped getting players good enough to handle slot fades. We've seen OSU's defense play too much 1 high man. Works just fine until the other team has better weapons, just like with Michigan against OSU.

Wolverine 73

January 22nd, 2021 at 8:34 AM ^

Lot of interesting information and options.  But is it realistic to think a bunch of college kids, with limited practice time and schoolwork to do, could possibly be expected to master all of these various defenses a pro team plays?  Seems more likely he will focus on relatively few options and try to make sure the kids master those.

Jimmyisgod

January 22nd, 2021 at 11:26 AM ^

Not this crap again. MacDonald doesn’t have a defense, he’s never designed and ran one. He’s been a position coach in someone else’s defense. We have no idea what he might run here and we’re have no idea what he looks for in players.