Question on Crystal Ballz Scoring

Submitted by Bob The Wonder Dog on

Been wondering about this for awhile. On the 247 site, their crystal ball predictors are given a score along with their percent correct. What's odd is that there doesn't seem to be much correlation between the two; i.e., some predictors with high scores have low percentages. What goes into determining the score, and why would it be seen as an indicator of merit if it doesn't require accuracy? A brief Google search turned up nothing, hoping someone in the know on the board will respond.

Tate

January 18th, 2016 at 8:54 AM ^

Higher score for how early you predict.

So if you put one in for Brandon Peters a day before he commits, you'd get a much lower score than someone who put it in weeks prior.

Which makes sense for the %-score correlation, the high % pickers may have a lower score because they've waited for substantial evidence before they made their pick, causing them to lose points compared to someone who threw in a guess.

Personally, I don't pay attention to the score, I think the % helps gauge better. If I see someone with a high % putting in a CB, then that is more than likely a quality pick.

Ali G Bomaye

January 18th, 2016 at 11:28 AM ^

The point is that both the score and percentage are relevant.  If a guy has a good score but a bad percentage then he isn't that accurate, and if he has a bad score but a good percentage he's just making picks once they're obvious. Only pickers with both a good score and a good percentage are accurately making picks before they're known.

Bob The Wonder Dog

January 18th, 2016 at 12:42 PM ^

It just seems to me that if you're going to have a "score", that you would want a single metric that captures everything rather than two metrics which capture different traits. Otherwise, how do you know who wins?

A suggestion to the 247 mods (who I'm sure are following this thread closely): give extra points to the 1st person to correctly make a prediction.

Ali G Bomaye

January 19th, 2016 at 10:43 AM ^

Providing two scores give a more complete picture of the kind of predictions a picker makes, though. I don't think the point of the score is to determine who "wins," because there can't be that many people who care whether Wiltfong or Lorenz is better. I think the point of the score is to give context to the crystal ball picks.

Ali G Bomaye

January 18th, 2016 at 9:01 AM ^

Follow-up question: do pickers lose points for switching their Ballz?  Because if not, it seems like the way to go would be to make an early pick for each recruit (going for points), then if that pick appears to be wrong, switch picks when it becomes clear the recruit is about to commit (preserving a good percentage).

If that's the case, then a pick by a guy with a high percentage wouldn't necessarily mean much, because he might just switch that pick later if it looks like he's going to be wrong.

Leaders And Best

January 18th, 2016 at 9:28 AM ^

The one problem with looking at % only is that a lot of people will put their pick or switch their pick in the last 24 hours before an announcment after someone else has broken the story. The record book shows they got the pick right, but there really was no value in the pick though. I do think they need a better way to present the score though points per crystal ball prediction or something like that.

Optimism Attache

January 18th, 2016 at 10:06 AM ^

I think his point was that,regardless of when the pick was made, if someone with a high correct percentage has ballz'd a player, then that pick is informative b/c it is likely correct. Why do we care about how that person is scored, if we have the info to understand whether it is likely to be a correct pick? Just to clarify,I think it does make sense for 247 to have some system to incentivize pickers to ballz athletes accurately and reasonably early. I just don't think the fans consuming that info need to look at that particular metric. We just care about whether the ballz that are available are likely to be accurate.

NFG

January 18th, 2016 at 9:00 AM ^

It's like that trivia game you play at B-Dubs. The quicker you guess an answer after the question is posted, the more points your correct answer is worth. If you wait till after 3 clues, and then put in your answer, you are worthless and embarrassing to your family.

Steve Lorenz

January 18th, 2016 at 1:15 PM ^

We can change our pick frequently. Normally you don't see more than one change or so, but with some up and down recruitments I've changed mine a few times. 

If a player makes an announcement date clear, it's locked usually about a week before the commitment is made. 

The thing about the CB is that all the standard complaints people have about it are things that we (I) are more than cognizant of. I do what I can to avoid the flipping and flopping of picks, but in some recruitments it's difficult because you want to paint an accurate picture for readers. 

StephenRKass

January 18th, 2016 at 12:54 PM ^

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