Penn State Snowflakes: The Coaching

Submitted by LSAClassOf2000 on November 14th, 2021 at 4:00 PM

This will be the thread for hot takes regarding the overall coaching performance.

victors2000

November 14th, 2021 at 8:58 AM ^

Specifically, what I meant is that the way we USE the schemes, they would not work if we didn't have above average talent. We run the same running plays over and over, at times right at the strength of the defense. That's not good, we need to switch it up. We're too predictable and it is only because we have well above average talent that we are having the success we are having. I agree that even with the best talent, a team is going to have a hard time winning without adequate coaching. 

UMForLife

November 14th, 2021 at 10:27 AM ^

I am not a FB savant, but there has to be a reason why the running game worked in the 4th quarter. It looked like they were trying various things in the 1st quarter. Once they started throwing the ball, it opened up. Nice passes to HH also. PSU's interior was supposed to be their weakness but it did not work in 1st quarter. But they kept at it and eventually broke it open. I am curious to see what UFR says about our running game. Was it setup in the 1st? May be. It sure was frustrating to see too many 2&9 but it all worked out in the 4th. So, I tend to give the coaches their due respect.

The Homie J

November 13th, 2021 at 4:30 PM ^

Think Harbaugh could learn a little from Franklin's gambles today.  Penn State had no right being in this game that long but a little aggression went a long way.  We seem to have kinda figured out some new redzone scoring ideas, now we just need to be a bit more aggressive on 3rd/4th and short

ca_prophet

November 14th, 2021 at 6:01 AM ^

Harbaugh seems to have a pretty reasonable approach to 4th down and FB/4th-and-red-zone decisions.  When he thinks we have the horses or the reward is out of proportion to the risk, he's aggressive; otherwise he's not.  This year, with our run game generally paving people, he's aggressive on 4th down (and throws on 3rd and short because he's willing to go for it on 4th down too!).  When we aren't doing that (MSU, and sporadically against Wisconsin/Nebraska), he pulls in his horns - and that makes sense to me.

Context is everything about those decisions.

Oregon Wolverine

November 14th, 2021 at 11:45 AM ^

The fourth down run you reference was the worst call of the game.  

PSU had every defender in the box, tightest defensive formation in the game.  A run had no chance of success, but a fake dive play action likely would have had someone wide open for the first down and maybe a lot more. Or three wide to spread the field.

Our maulers can maul, but not into a box stacked that tight, not consistently.

jmblue

November 13th, 2021 at 4:40 PM ^

Running the ball can be an investment.  It doesn’t always pay off in the 1st quarter, but you keep at it and you can wear a defense down in the second half.  PSU was gassed at the end when we were able to kill the clock.

The one call I didn’t care for was the 4th and 2 though.  That situation called for a play-fake.

Ghost of Fritz…

November 13th, 2021 at 4:54 PM ^

That is exactly Jim Harbaugh's theory of offense.

But that approach really cannot deal with teams like OSU, which uses play design, play sequences, etc. to put defenders in impossible conflicts and, therefore, can run up huge point margins.  

To beat OSU you have to be ready for a shoot-out and realize that you may need 50 points to win.   Body blows offense cannot do that.  

 

 

 

Ghost of Fritz…

November 13th, 2021 at 5:50 PM ^

OSU preps for Michigan every week of the year.  They bring their best game and best plays for the Michigan game.  Look at how many OSU scored in '18 and '19. 

OSU has scored 50+ several times this year.  And in several games they could have scored a lot more, but the game was fully decided by halftime so they chilled out for most of the 2nd half.

Eng1980

November 14th, 2021 at 12:01 PM ^

Partially true.  The defense got wrecked but if you look at first downs and dropped passes and missed extra points it will be more apparent that the offense failed to catch passes (save Collins), get a first down, and/or score when it mattered.  Too many 3 and outs with the game on the line.  Lots of OSU's offense has come from great field position (although they do seem to come up with a 90+ yard score just when there is a glimmer of hope.)

TdK71

November 13th, 2021 at 9:09 PM ^

OSU hasn't faced an opponent with  pair of edge rushers like Hutch and Ojabo. If anyone thinks that C. J. Spiller is going to be able to stand in the pocket all day and wait for the coverage to breakdown has got another thing coming.

I'm liking how some of the guys on the defensive back end are coming into their own.

Junior Colton and D.J. Turner are really playing well down the strech.

SeattleWolverine

November 14th, 2021 at 12:48 PM ^

I do find it a bit perplexing the number of people who love to shit on Franklin. Not the greatest coach by any means, but also better than folks give him credit for on this board. In fact, his accomplishments are pretty much on par, slightly better perhaps, than what Harbaugh has done since the start of 2015:

  • Good but not great overall record in that span of 59-26 vs 58-23
  • Similar good top 10-15 but not great recruiting 
  • One division and conference championship vs none
  • Fiesta and Cotton bowl wins vs a Citrus bowl win
  • 7-13 vs OSU/M/MSU which is the same as Harbaugh's 7-13 against OSU/PSU/MSU
  • 2-11 vs top 10 teams while Harbaugh is 2-13
  • 3x Top 10 finishes vs 1x for Harbaugh

I mean, Franklin has probably had a little bit of that span with meh teams and a few more bad losses, whereas he also has at least the one win over OSU, B1G title, and a couple good bowl wins on the positive side. On the whole, their outcomes are pretty much the same. Sure, Franklin's in game decision making is terrible at times. But Harbaugh has a similar pattern of poor clock management and a failure to adapt to tempo throughout his time here. 

Eng1980

November 14th, 2021 at 2:22 PM ^

Would you say that Harbaugh has gotten any breaks in that time span?  PSU beat OSU on one offensive play and one miracle special teams play for their win leading to a conference championship after getting TROUNCED by Michigan and then Michigan getting screwed in the OSU game.  Then Wisconsin was kicking PSU's tail all game in the Big 10 championship game until they lost 6 regulars on defense which allowed PSU to come back in 4th quarter against 3rd string defensive backs.  Sorry, 2016 counts be the idea that Franklin earned those achievements more than they were gifted is ludicrous.  Two years ago PSU was gifted about 4 pass interference calls for the win.  PSU couldn't stop Michigan's wide receivers without help.  So I find it hard to credit Franklin when he never credits the other side for beating him.  In his post game comments it is always his mistakes or conditions beyond his control but you won't hear him mention that they other team is composed of real talented people too.