Pat Forde's 25 Most Intriguing QB's / Gardner listed at 12

Submitted by mgobaran on

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--college-football-s-25-most-intriguing-quarterbacks-of-the-2013-season-211047714.html

Yahoo! Link. So yeah.

But I do enjoy Pat Forde from time to time. The list seems okay at best. The top four are pretty much media driven. The fifth is because the guy (Tommy Rees) can be anywhere from A.J. McCarron to a train wreck. 

Outside of my biased opinion, I think DG should be a little higher up on the list. He is mostly an unknown commodity. A guy who had one hell of a 5-game stretch to start his career. (http://mgoblog.com/content/devin-gardner-and-quarterback-holy-grail-0)

Regardless, Gardner is number one in my heart!

stephenrjking

August 12th, 2013 at 12:46 PM ^

Yeah, these lists are just fodder for guys who need to write about football and drive clicks. They have no influence on actual events, and to their credit most writers who write this stuff will shower plenty of attention on a guy like Gardner later if he proves he deserves it.

mgobaran

August 12th, 2013 at 12:56 PM ^

I just thought the article would help kickstart a conversation about some QB's of interest. It's quite laughable a player like A.J. McCarron is so highly rated. How can a player be intriguing if they clearly maxed out their potential? 

But on the other side, are you intrigued by the like of Braxton Miller, Martinez, Rees, etc. and how big of a jump they are able to make this season? Have they plateaued yet, or is Miller about to take a jump to the next level where by the end of the season, we could have trouble stopping a guy like that.

saveferris

August 12th, 2013 at 1:18 PM ^

I think a guy like Martinez is in the same category at McCarron.  Does anyone think that he's going to have a dramatically better senior year than he had as a junior?  I'm more intrigued by a guy like Colter and can he really get Northwestern to compete for a conference title?

Lionsfan

August 12th, 2013 at 6:17 PM ^

T-Mart didn't have a horrible junior year. From 2011 he increased his Comp % by 5, threw for almost 800 more yards, and threw 23 TDs to 12 INTs.

He had a few bad games (UCLA, MSU, and Iowa), but he had about 60% completion and 150+ yards in Big Ten play.

That defense just isn't good. Not much Martinez can do when your defense gives up 36, 63, and 70 points

ThWard

August 12th, 2013 at 12:56 PM ^

In other words, you don't think Forde finds him "intriguing" enough?

These lists are fun reads, but zero analysis of them is appropriate.

stephenrjking

August 12th, 2013 at 1:43 PM ^

Keep in mind that part of the purpose of these articles is to speak to an audience that likes college football, but perhaps doesn't know the whole landscape of the sport this year. It helps more casual fans put some context into what happens, and understand who is important.
Like, "Oh, yeah, Martinez is still playing." And, "Lane Kiffin's job is on the line and he doesn't know who his QB is? Pass the popcorn." Etc.
A lot of this fluff stuff isn't aimed at people who refresh mgoblog multiple times a day or watch both replays of the UM-NW game last night. Which I did, by the way.

OysterMonkey

August 12th, 2013 at 1:03 PM ^

Here's probably all you need to read to know about the quality of this article:

 

12. Devin Gardner, Michigan. The Denard Robinson Era is finally over, and while it was a lot of fun, it ultimately was a limited venture. That's why the Wolverines began transitioning to Gardner last season and will hand him complete control of a more versatile and balanced offense this season. Gardner's polished passing skills should mesh well with the preferred offense of coordinator Al Borges. There is a lot of youth surrounding Gardner, but it helps to have All-America left tackle Taylor Lewan watching his back.

 

Transition to Gardner was because of Denard's injury, no? Not to Pat Forde.

BallZDeeP210

August 12th, 2013 at 1:30 PM ^

Actually the BR article references Denard's injury as to why Devin was playing. Nice job Forde, even BR knows more about the facts than you. Although, they do go on to question whether Gradner would have been a better option than Denard, which I don't believe he would have, but that's a whole other topic.

LSAClassOf2000

August 12th, 2013 at 1:28 PM ^

Wow. Reading that would make one think that the transition to Gardner was because there was some sort of contractual expiration date (graduation aside) on Denard Robinson or something.

As for the rest of the list, number 16 is apparently whoever wins the job at USC, so the Trojans at least earn a placeholder status on the list. 

mh277907

August 12th, 2013 at 1:56 PM ^

Because the list is "Most Intriguing," I think Miller should certainly be high on the list because of how well he played at times (and how poorly he played at times) and Meyer's past success in year 2's. How Manziel plays after a Heisman Trophy season and a an off-season under the microscope is probably the most intriguing in my mind. I am not sure why McCarron is intriguing as I suspect that he will be extremely consistent again this year. Because of his inconsistent play, Rees is definitely intriguing and I am interested to see how Mariota develops after a very good season. Gardner would definitely round out my top 5 of most intriguing because, well, it's UM and I want to see how good he is. I don't think this is a bad list but I think he got away from the definition of "intriguing" at times.

mgowill

August 12th, 2013 at 9:48 PM ^

The problem with Alabama is that they are replacing a good chunk of their offensive line -

Chance Warmack OG #10 pick overall

 

D.J. Fluker OT #11 pick overall

 

Barrett Jones OG #113 pick overall

 

Insert comment about "Alabama doesn't replace, they just reload...." but there are a few questions for the Tide as they enter this season.  I think this makes an interesting season to see how how McCarron fares without a few All Americans watching his back.

joeyb

August 12th, 2013 at 2:49 PM ^

Am I the only one who thinks McCarron is slightly overrated? Not that I think he is bad, but he seems to me to be a game-manager-type a la Brian Griese. I think he just lets the defense and running game take over while not making a mistake. I think if you swapped him out with another QB on a different team, Bama still wins two championships and McCarron isn't leading that team to the National Championship. Who knows? Maybe I'm alone and he ends up having the most prolific career of any NFL QB.

Perkis-Size Me

August 12th, 2013 at 3:36 PM ^

Oh I agree. He's not a bad QB by any stretch of the imagination, his two title rings prove that. But he benefits so much from the team he has around him, which is stacked in every possible way. Elite RBs, elite WRs, and an elite, suffocating defense will make any QB look good. I have my doubts about him being an NFL franchise QB. He's yet to prove he can carry a team by himself because Bama has been so good that he hasn't had to.

Let's put it this way: if Andrew Luck and AJ McCarron were both the same age, came out the same year, and McCarron still had his two, potentially three title rings to Luck's zero, I'd still take Luck every day of the week.

PeteM

August 12th, 2013 at 10:01 PM ^

While no one would call Griese an incredible athlete, he had to be more than a game manager in 1997.  As great as it was, the '97 team wasn't littered with great players on in the offensive skill spots.  Tai Streets was good, but he wasn't an Amani Toomer or David Terrell (his predecessor and successor).  Chris Howard wasn't a Wheatley or Anthony Thomas.  Woodson was amazing as a dual threat, but only played a few downs a game on offense.

My sense is that McCarron is good, but that he relies on outstanding skill players like TJ Yeldon to do some of the heavy lifting.

joeyb

August 13th, 2013 at 12:24 AM ^

I don't think I'm underrating Griese. You don't win a national championship with anything less than a good or great college quarterback. My point is that when you have the #1 defense and a great running game, you just have to make some good throws and not turn the ball over.

This is all just a reaction to them talking about AJ McCarron doing something that no other quarterback has done, which, to me, seems kind of meaningless when you consider Bama's style of football.

Tha Stunna

August 12th, 2013 at 3:02 PM ^

Surprisingly, Pat Forde does not make it on my list of 25 best sports writers.  He did however place above #12 on my list of most annoying sports personalities.

charblue.

August 12th, 2013 at 3:09 PM ^

just a winning quarterback who gets the job done without great fanfare. And that makes him about as exciting as Joe Flacco coming out of the University of Delaware, that other school with wings on their helmets, who won a Super Bowl. Sort of like Griese and Brady in that regard.  

I think Tommy Rees is a better passer than McCarron. But I don't think Rees would have led the Crimson Tide to a national championship. 

HenneGivenSunday

August 12th, 2013 at 3:50 PM ^

.. The "Denard Robinson Era" was some terrible time for all of us.  While I think that Devin's ceiling is higher (especially as a passer), I'm not sure I'm super thrilled at the way he presents Denard's importance to this program.

WolvinLA2

August 12th, 2013 at 5:28 PM ^

Don't we think that's about right? Almost everyone ahead of him is a returning starter who put up big numbers. Rees and the Texas kid are the only ones I really disagree with, and DG is actually above a number of accomplished college QBs. I knew the list was BS though when SC's unnamed QB was so high, especially since the other QB in town (Hundley) will be much better than whoever it is, and he was further down the list.

bronxblue

August 13th, 2013 at 10:27 AM ^

Whenever I think of Pat Forde I just imagine a really Southern-dapper gentleman oogling 20-something girls on college campuses under the guise of looking for "Dashettes."  But I guess the fact that he could pull his eyes up from chest level and comment on how good Gardner will be is something.