Outdoor capacity limits lifted in Michigan. Game On in September!
Governor just announced that outdoor capacity limits will be lifted June 1st.
Guess we don't have to wonder about whether our seasons tickets will be honored this fall.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/health/2021/05/20/michigan-covid-restr…
Is this the posbang thread? Wooo!
Why not!
Why not!
And some Doublemint Twins for you double post!
If I were a cowboy, I’d give a good, hearty YEEEEEEEHAAAAAWWWW at this news.
I’m not, but I still probably will.
I know where I'll be in September!!
On my couch at home, and not sitting with 10000 anti-vaxxers
Like, exactly 10,000 anti- vaxers? Is that the threshold for you? Would 9,999 be acceptable?
Thats, like your choice man
One of the most courageous things I've ever seen. What a heroic stand you are taking sir.
[fart noise]
If you're concerned, you could spend the big bucks and sit in Section 23. Pretty good bet the septuagenarian alumni all got vaccinated and probably got a free booster shot under their booster seats.
If you've been vaccinated, you have nothing to fear from sitting outside with a bunch of other people. You're probably in much greater danger of getting in an auto accident on game day than you are catching COVID.
Would you go on the road to OSU knowing there is a 100% chance an OSU fan will spit covid juice on you at least once?
If you can guarantee me a win...then yes that is a no brainer.
A loss is still guaranteed.
What's one more disease from that..... you're likely to get Syphillis, Hepatitis and very likely rabies from Buckeye spit.....why not throw some Covid in there for good measure.
Welllll.... sure, but here's where it impacts me. My 11 y/o daughter will likely have to sit the season out. Not sure it's worth the risk for her and she can't get vaccinated until the Spring. Bummed about that - but probably better for the greater good. Will probably wind up selling more of the tickets than I use if she can't go. Bummer - like to do 3 or 4 per year (300 mile drive), but may be 2 games this year.
You should certainly do whatever makes you and her feel safe. If she is otherwise healthy though, there is really no statistically significant evidence that she wouldn’t be safe sitting outside, at a football game.
She’s much more likely to get ill from watching Haskins in the wild cat from 3rd and goal at the 4 yard line. On second thought, don’t put her thru that.
I'm where you are - decision will be hers. What does she feel comfortable with.
Right now, it ain't much. Hopefully through the summer she eases into things. I fear we may be raising a generation of Agoraphobic Germophobes.
If you have been vaccinated, why do you care if the guy sitting next to you hasn't?
Well, there is some reason above and beyond the obvious "vaccines aren't 100%," mainly you don't know if that person is immunocompromised or maybe you live with someone who is and realize you could still get infected and transmit to them.
If an immuncompromised person is 1) declining to get vaccinated and 2) choosing to go to a game at Michigan Stadium, that's on them, not me.
As for the possibility of me infecting someone in my household, that's the point of getting the vaccine - so I can live a normal life without that fear in my mind. To be vaccinated and still be terrified of infection is irrational.
If you're living with an immunocompromised person at home, even if you're vaccinated, you ought to have some concern. The viral load you're carrying might not be enough to make you sick, but it might very well make them sick.
That's not being terrified or irrational, that's called caring about people who aren't you.
Which is why they, too, should be vaccinated. The vaccines are not live, so they shouldn't pose a problem to most people with immune issues.
For a vaccinated person to be terrified of infecting his/her vaccinated partner is irrational. At that point you're probably more likely to spread some other virus to them than Covid.
If you're immunocompromised (because of a disease or suppressive drugs like steroids), the issue is not getting sick from the vaccine, it's that the immune cells normally stimulated by the vaccine aren't kicking into gear as they would in a normal individual, so you don't generate the antibodies and/or T-cells needed to protect you.
LINK (this is a WaPo article not a technical journal so it's pretty accessible).
The real answer is that it's the people who skip the vaccine for no reason that are the problem-- "herd immunity," if we get there, is exactly to protect the vulnerable people who can't get the shot or for whom it won't work.
The healthy people who opt-out of vaccination are the ones who should stay in their basements or the woods (or at least out of Michigan Stadium). They deserve some shaming.
The science says wearing a mask will not make a difference if you are vaccinated or being around unvaccinated people. Now the unvaccinated people are the problem and wearing a mask will not protect them from spreading the virus. I'm just amazed that 40 percent of the US adult population have yet to be vaccinated. I agree with the states that offer prizes or cash to increase vaccinations.
"The science says wearing a mask will not make a difference if you are vaccinated or being around unvaccinated people."
The science THIS week (or day, or minute) says this? Source?
I agree with the prizes idea. How about free tattoos and erotic massages? I’m sure it would play well in Columbus. Or maybe McDonald’s bags filled with cash for our friends in Dixie.
As someone with immunocompromised family members... THANK YOU, THANK YOU for continuing to explain this to people in clear, accessible terms.
"They deserve some shaming."
For NOT being willing to take an experimental vaccine? You're out of your mind.
Millions of people have gotten the vaccine already. That's a pretty big control group.
‘Experimental’ - ok, fess up. Which recently banned troll are you?
I'm wondering the same. This new account caught my attention a few days ago.
He joined just a week ago, went "full-politics" on his first 5 comments, and has since also delved into covid conspiracy nonsense and complaining about Ace. And he has already rung up nearly 100 points.
Yeah, this one smells familiar.
Are there other communicable diseases besides COVID that immunocompromised people have to worry about?
That's not how immunology works for a immunocompromised person.
For most, being vaccinated doesn't give them much (if any) immunity to covid or practically any other disease.
If you live with someone who is high risk, don't go to the football game. Of course, that means you are treating covid different than almost every other communicable disease out there. You could bring influenza home even if you got a flu shot which is about 50% effective vs 95% for the covid shot. The odds of you, if vaccinated, getting covid at a football game is very small. And even smaller that you would get very ill. But if it worries you or you live with an immunocompromised person, don't go. Or wear a mask. Or do whatever you do to protect that person fron the flu.
Exactly! I'm vax'd so I dont give two shits if the guy next to me was too stupid to get the shot. Here's why:
1. If he doesnt have it he cant give it to me so I dont care
2. If he DOES have it I have a 95% chance of not getting it so I dont care
3. If he does have and I DO get it my chances of landing in the hospital and/or dying from Covid are 0% so I dont care
I dont stay home from games because the guy next to me might have a cold and once you're vax'd that's about as damaging as Covid can be to you.
Game on kids. And full stadiums too.
As anyone who has read my posts on Covid knows, I have been pretty cautious about covid (in large part because I have multiple congenital issues that significantly raise my risk). I am however lucky in that none of those issues seem to raise my risk once vaccinated.
It is important to remember that this is not the case for everybody. There are people who can’t get the vaccine for medical reasons and people for whom the vaccine is not as effective. Many of these people are unfortunately at higher risk related to covid. It should not be a surprise that many of these people (and in many cases people who live with them) may continue to be more cautious.
Further, while your chances of ending up in the hospital if you are vaccinated and do get covid are significantly reduced (some studies suggest in the neighborhood of 94%), they are not 0. Particularly for people who were already low risk, this makes the risk very small. This should be celebrated, should change people’s attitudes and should let people return to enjoying things we did before Covid, That is not the same as the risk being zero.
My point though is why I dont give two shits. Not why everyone should.
And here's a news flash. Covid or no Covid we are ALL going to die - the vaccine doesnt make us death-proof, it makes it really, really hard to get it and even harder for someone to get really sick from it and nearly (ok not completely) impossible to die from it.
I'm going to get in my car here shortly and drive home from work. That activity will put me at exponentially more risk of a serious injury or death than Covid did BEFORE the vaccine and now that it have it's exponentially more so.
So you, for all the reasons you state, may have very good reasons to be concerned about sitting next to the guy with a double digit IQ who takes medical advice from the University of Facebook not getting the vaccine. I however, do not.
I would not have bothered to respond to your post if you had not made the ridiculous assertion that there is a zero risk of someone who is vaccinated being hospitalized. It is quite reasonable to make the judgment that the risk is very low, why not just say that rather than falsely asserting the risk is zero?
It’s a blog, not a classroom. You got his point, yeah?
If his point is that he struggles understanding basic facts, yes. He made that quite clear.
If you are over 35, the risk of death from covid was greater than the risk of death from a car crash. Is it really that hard to base your arguments on actual facts rather than pulling shit out of your ass?
It is entirely reasonable to assert that for many vaccinated ated Americans, the risks related to covid are quite low. You don’t need to cite falaehoods to make that argument credibly
MGrowOld,
Why did you feel the need to post why YOU don’t give to shits and then also add incorrect data falsely supporting?
this is one of your most special snowflake takes in a while.
Yep, that's why Michigan may require a vaccination ID to enter the stadium. There may be some fake IDs but it would be under 1 percent.
Are vaccination IDs legal? Isn't this one of those HIPAA things? I live in Florida now in which it has been made specifically illegal, but doesn't HIPAA already cover this?
If this post is political, please ignore. I am seriously asking. I'd like to attend a couple of games this fall.
Asking for proof of vaccination is 100% legal. No, it is not a HIPPA violation which only applies to healthcare institutions, workers, and insurance companies and has a big carve out for controlling an ongoing disease. Yes, you have the right to refuse giving out your vaccination status. Yes, any organization, business, etc. has the right to refuse you entry based on this refusal. Hope that clears it up.
I've had to show proof of vaccination for my kids since they started going to school.
I've chosen not to vaccine due to my previous reactions to other vaccines. I contracted lyme disease some years past and deal with it daily. I've had covid and if I have no immunity so be it. If I this society forces proof of the vaccine I'll forgo any venue. My mask is off here in Maine.
What is XM's opinion on this?
Do you get a good WiFi signal down there in your basement?
