OT: NCAA eyes early signing period

Submitted by CHI_BLU on

I know this has been thrown around before but this seems to be getting traction.

I think there's more momentum now than ever just because of the changes that are happening with recruiting regulations. The landscape is changing, so it's time to look at it again." -- Susan Peal, NCAA associate director
of operations

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boliver46

March 7th, 2014 at 12:54 PM ^

the horse's (jackasses'?) mouths:

 

What happens when a prospective student-athlete signs an NLI and the coach leaves? The NLI is a contract between a prospective student-athlete and a school, not an agreement between individuals. A student-athlete is obligated to attend the school he or she signed with unless the school agrees to release the student-athlete. If a school entices a prospective student-athlete to sign an NLI by offering an automatic release if a coach leaves, the prospective student-athlete’s NLI may be declared void and the school may face penalties.

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Mr. Yost

March 7th, 2014 at 1:05 PM ^

...but no way to regulate that. Plus with media pressure. Any kid that commits and signs before his senior year to a school and then a coach gets fired mid or after the year will have all of the leverage in the world.

The media would make it look so bad on the school that it would affect other kids who may want to commit/sign because of the coaching staff and the relationships that are made.

If you're not enrolled, you should be able to get out of an NLI if the circumstances change.

If I want to be a chemist, musician or a doctor and I choose to go to a school because of a particular teacher, and that teacher retires, is fired, etc. --- and I haven't enrolled, I may very well think about going to another school.

LSAClassOf2000

March 7th, 2014 at 12:52 PM ^

If I recall correctly, the early signing period for the sports that do allow it is typically about 4 months prior to the regular period, which would mean October-ish if football adopted a similar timeframe. It doesn't sound so bad on its face really, and I do see their point about not having to worry about the entire class for a period of time, but directed portions of it. I wonder if the NCAA would alter some of the admission rules to make this mesh with early enrollees as well. 

ericcarbs

March 7th, 2014 at 12:56 PM ^

I hope they allow commits to back out of their signing under certain conditions like family issues or a coach is fired or hired somewhere else. Similar to basketball and how Levert came to Michigan.

turd ferguson

March 7th, 2014 at 3:17 PM ^

But let's even say that Groce hadn't left Ohio.  If you're Caris LeVert and you committed to Ohio thinking that it'd probably be your best option, then you suddenly catch the eye of Michigan, are you really better off being locked in to Ohio?  I don't think so.  This policy change puts recruits in a really hard position.  Many non-5-star recruits will get pressured by smaller schools to sign early, since those schools know that if the recruit blows up he won't be able to take advantage of any of his new options.  If you're the recruit, you can hold off, but it's really risky if that smaller school then fills your spot.

I know I'm in the minority (and I wrote more about it below), but I really dislike this.  Maybe there's a way to do it that locks in the school but not the player - to kill the "uncommitable offers" or whatever they're called - but I don't like the idea of locking kids in so early.

madmaxweb

March 7th, 2014 at 1:19 PM ^

I think it's a great idea as long as there are ways to get out of it for extreme cases. In the players case, if there is a death in the family, if a head coach, Coordinator on the side the player plays, position coach, or recruiting coach gets fired or leaves (Not if just any coach gets fired or released, and they need to decide within a time frame IE. 2 weeks after the departure or 2 weeks after the hiring of a new coach), of if there are any sanctions. In the schools case, if a player has a problem with the law, or if he has problems in school. Otherwise the players are 100% committed and can't back out.

BlueCube

March 7th, 2014 at 1:49 PM ^

player since it locks them down. The only advantage for the player is stopping other coaches from contacting them and I believe it may allow more contact with the coaching staff.

turd ferguson

March 7th, 2014 at 3:00 PM ^

To me, the most obvious change that needs to be made is that kids should be able to use some of their official visits before the fall of their senior seasons.  With kids committing earlier and earlier, classes get filled by local kids who can afford to come visit schools within driving distance.  In many cases, a kid from California would have to wait until the fall of his senior year to even see Michigan or any other non-Western school.  That's much too late given that signing day is just a few months later.

I don't like the early signing period policy idea.  I think it just shifts the whole calendar earlier, which in the long run will be bad for both recruits and (top) programs.  If I were a recruit, I wouldn't want the earlier pressure to sign somewhere, especially if I thought I might get better offers later but didn't know.  If I were a top program, I'd want to be able to watch kids develop as long as possible before having to choose my targets.  

It's a confusing argument, but I actually think the one group this helps is non-top programs.  Earlier recruiting means more messiness in who gets offered and commits, and that hurts programs like Michigan, Notre Dame, Alabama, etc.  If you're Michigan, you can wait to see who emerges later in high school and pursue those kids - or try to flip them if they are committed elsewhere.  If you're a less recruit-desirable program and you luck into grabbing one of those kids early (or scout him well), you're getting a recruit you probably couldn't hang onto with the current rules.  For the recruit, that sucks, since he made a decision at a time when he didn't realize he'd have better options later.

TL; DR version:  I don't like it.  I think there's an obvious policy to change - that recruits have to wait until their senior years to take official visits - and they're talking about changing the wrong one.

pearlw

March 7th, 2014 at 4:00 PM ^

This is bad for schools in southeast and cali assuming that official visits would also be allowed earlier. This allows schools like UM, OSU, ND, etc. to get kids from CA and the Southeast on campus much earlier. Currently, you are forcing a kid from CA to pay his own way for an unofficial visit to Michigan...so what happens is those kids have to wait until their senior year for official visits and by then many people have alrady committed and Michigan doesnt have a chance to show off their campus. Assuming official visit timelines also shifts, you can get these CA kids to visit in spring of junior year.