OT (maybe): what is meant by a QB "seeing ghosts"?
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27902846/jets-fuming-sam-darnold-seeing-ghosts-comment-made-air
Bascially the article is about the Jets organization not being happy that Darnold was telling them he was "seeing ghosts" as yesterday's game progressed.
I didn't see the game, so I guess I'm not quite sure what he means by that. Eliminating for the moment the obvious literal understanding, is he referring to his own players or the Patriots' D in his statement, and in what way is he "seeing ghosts"?
October 22nd, 2019 at 7:55 PM ^
Correction: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27902846/jets-fuming-sam-darnold-seeing-ghosts-comment-made-air
Sorry about that
October 22nd, 2019 at 8:55 PM ^
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October 22nd, 2019 at 7:57 PM ^
I think it means Emperor Palpatine is back
October 22nd, 2019 at 8:24 PM ^
The Emperor was misunderstood.
October 23rd, 2019 at 8:43 AM ^
I honestly can't stand it when you have to bring back villains to save a show or franchise. The new Star Wars movies have been awful. I liked Rogue One and Solo far better, mainly because i had low expectations to begin with.
October 22nd, 2019 at 7:59 PM ^
I think we say seeing taco pants around here
October 22nd, 2019 at 11:40 PM ^
I think Taco Pants was drafted to the Jets. Had a great game the other day!
October 22nd, 2019 at 8:01 PM ^
I don’t know 100%, but a former player on ESPN (sorry, I forget who) was explaining that Darnold was referring to the Patriots’ defense.
I don’t know if it is a universal football term used by players or not. Essentially, he was saying that when QBs read the defense, and diagnosis that it is about to be a blitz/cover-0... they mentally prepare to get rid of the ball in 0-1 seconds.
However, if the defense is just bluffing and backs out into coverage at the last second. The QB might still be mentally processing it as a blitz and “sees ghosts” coming at them and gets rid of the ball quickly into coverage.
I guess New England’s defense was doing that a lot to Darnold last night successfully.
October 22nd, 2019 at 8:29 PM ^
The @patriots Cov 0 blitz package is historic and generational to me. It made @nyjets QB see “GHOSTS” last night & this is why. You would too, and Sam isn’t alone... @mikegiardi @richcimini @briancoz @patsfans @getupespn @damienwoody pic.twitter.com/22ZzeMpIUJ
— Dan Orlovsky (@danorlovsky7) October 22, 2019
Here's the breakdown from this morning. Orlovsky does a fantastic job breaking it down.
October 22nd, 2019 at 8:53 PM ^
props to orlovsky, that was well done. I haven't seen him in studio before, but I don't watch football studio shows in general I guess.
October 23rd, 2019 at 7:21 AM ^
Orlovsky is doing a good job as an analyst. But he did walk out of the Lions end zone as a QB. So, he still has to make up for that.
October 23rd, 2019 at 9:46 AM ^
Eh, I've forgiven him for that. He was a marginal NFL quarterback on the worst Detroit team of our lifetime and there's no way he would have been successful. Jon Kitna and Daunte Culpepper were both experienced NFL starters at the tail end of their career and they didn't do any better on that team.
I'll take Orlovsky as an analyst over a lot of guys who were good QBs in the NFL. I'm looking at you, Troy Aikman!
October 22nd, 2019 at 9:22 PM ^
They've allowed three touchdowns in seven games. They were completely suffocating through the first half against NY. It really was something to behold.
And on the other side of the ball the Pats are a completely ragtag group of misfits who are nonetheless so well drilled and clever that the score was still 24-0 at halftime.
October 22nd, 2019 at 9:49 PM ^
The Lions should sign their DC. Wait...what?
October 22nd, 2019 at 10:13 PM ^
Tons of man, tons of blitzing. Sounds like another DC I know, who gets a bunch of crap for it from the fan base (though, if we went cov 0, it should be 3CB + Dax, and not leave two safeties in there to get left with their jock on the turf)
October 22nd, 2019 at 11:50 PM ^
Thought the same thing. While DB has never been so balsy to go cover-0 (at least that I can remember), the very same principle is basically the same that his defense is built upon. We're going to attack and get to you before you can get the ball out. In the event you do get the ball out before we get to you, it will be too early for your receivers while our secondary is ready to pounce. (See: 2018 Wisconsin game.)
When executed properly with the appropriate personnel, you can then begin completely confusing the quarterback and stop an offense before it even gets started. (See: 2019 Iowa game.)
October 23rd, 2019 at 8:52 AM ^
I wonder how much of that is trusting Metellus/Hawkins more in coverage than Dax/Gray. They’ve shown to only trust three corners, so having all three on the field at once is less than ideal if someone needs a breather too.
i don’t think the staff is ignorant to the concept that 3 corners would be more ideal, but the personnel would dictate more of that than anything. If Brown trusts his safeties in man, he’s putting his safeties in man. Simple as that.
October 23rd, 2019 at 9:41 AM ^
Belichick is looking to move to a HC from DC? WOW.
October 22nd, 2019 at 8:07 PM ^
When I heard it live, I thought it was just a figure of speech as in "I'm seeing things that are not actually there". That could have been open receivers, defenders, etc.
I don't like the Jets or Darnold but I felt bad for the kid, he was clearly rattled against the best D in the NFL, should have pulled him in the 3rd.
October 22nd, 2019 at 8:12 PM ^
Similar to Happy Feet which Shea suffers from at times. It's basically not trusting your eyes and the playcall and playing scared
October 23rd, 2019 at 9:59 AM ^
To be fair, the Pats defense is the best in the league. Can't say I blame him for "seeing ghosts" against them. Of course the Pats are good every year so could this be something you see from Darnold every time?
October 22nd, 2019 at 8:14 PM ^
It's a figure of speech. In this context, it refers to the fact that Darnold was under so much pressure, and the patriots so effectively disguised their coverages, that he began seeing things that weren't there. He would feel a blitzer coming only to find that there wasn't anyone there this time. The guy dropped into coverage right into the lane Darnold was passing into.
October 22nd, 2019 at 8:21 PM ^
Hold on. Eli posts stuff like this in the off season on Wednesdays. Don't steal his thunder.
October 23rd, 2019 at 7:14 AM ^
I miss those. They are better than many of the posts on here during the season.
October 22nd, 2019 at 8:23 PM ^
He means he was seeing receivers he thought were open even though they weren't. It's a relatively common idiom to convey that you can't trust what you're seeing, which is probably why NFL Films chose to air it. I'm not sure why people find it so amusing.
October 22nd, 2019 at 8:23 PM ^
I think Gase is making too big of a deal out of this, but I am surprised that it’s the NFL and no one from the team who approves what airs.
October 22nd, 2019 at 8:27 PM ^
Thank you, all. I figured it might be something along those lines, but wanted to be sure.
October 22nd, 2019 at 8:36 PM ^
Well for those who were not participating in the MNF open thread:
October 22nd, 2019 at 8:45 PM ^
Kind of a dick move of ESPN to air that IMO. Apparently NFL teams are forced to have their QB be mic’d up for at least one game a year and the people at NFL Films (and the Jets) are pissed this was allowed.
October 22nd, 2019 at 9:03 PM ^
I disagree. It humanizes the game and helps you understand the enormous challenges quarterbacks can be under when going against great defenses.
October 22nd, 2019 at 9:24 PM ^
Nah, it was pretty humiliating. I totally felt for the guy, even while I admired heck out of the Pats' superior play. It was the kind of thing that's bad enough it could haunt the guy career-long.
October 22nd, 2019 at 8:49 PM ^
He was misquoted when trying to tell them he saw a GOAT. Not ghosts.
Tom Brady is NOT a ghost. K?
October 22nd, 2019 at 8:56 PM ^
Remember the meme that showed 22 defensive players on the field instead of 11?
October 22nd, 2019 at 8:59 PM ^
It was literal. There were boogeymen on the field.
October 22nd, 2019 at 9:23 PM ^
This is one of those things that is being overblown.
Too much information out there for people who cannot handle too much information.
October 22nd, 2019 at 9:24 PM ^
Were they playing the Raiders? Did he keep throwing it to nobody running a post pattern?
October 22nd, 2019 at 9:27 PM ^
Seeing ghosts, maybe it's a symptom of Mono?
October 22nd, 2019 at 9:47 PM ^
I can deal with ghosts on the field this time of year, but if Darnold starts seeing reindeer before Thanksgiving I'll be pissed.
October 22nd, 2019 at 10:04 PM ^
his girffriend isn't responding to his texts
October 22nd, 2019 at 10:36 PM ^
I don't know anything about ghosts, but look what's in the transfer portal.
October 22nd, 2019 at 11:04 PM ^
My question is why don't they have an audible to pass it straight out to the receiver or a slant to the outside guy if they see that defense?
October 23rd, 2019 at 10:24 AM ^
In the second play Orlovsky broke down, the Pats dropped all three LBs from the same exact look. They were probably banking on him doing just that, but the OL was so inept that the resulting four man rush got to him immediately.
October 23rd, 2019 at 1:15 AM ^
Whoopi Goldberg, clay, and a pottery wheel need to be involved.
October 24th, 2019 at 9:48 AM ^
Has anyone seen Patrick Swayze recently?
Demi?
October 23rd, 2019 at 1:18 AM ^
I'm seeing them too. Fucking Patriots defense. I just fumbled my joint.
