OT: Jerry Sandusky's adopted son arrested on child sexual assault charges
http://wkrn.com/2017/02/13/sanduskys-son-arrested-for-child-sexual-assa…
Jeffrey Sandusky, 41 years old. Disgusting.
Edit: I realize that my "apple, tree" comment is inappropriate considering the fact that he was most likely sexually abused as a child by Sandusky himself. Regardless, this goes to show how a cycle of sexual violence can pass down from generation to generation with even farther reaching effects than previously feared.
February 13th, 2017 at 3:21 PM ^
This is just sad. It's hard to even be angry at this point. While I don't personally have any major issues after growing up, by virtue of being in the system I saw what this stuff does to kids. I saw kids get chewed up from the inside because of what happened-- even with relatively good support and care.
I have to imagine what happened to him when he was a kid played a role, and the fact that he "paid it forward" is just a tragedy.
February 13th, 2017 at 3:24 PM ^
I think I'd rather argue politics than go through another round of this.
February 13th, 2017 at 3:26 PM ^
February 13th, 2017 at 3:39 PM ^
Monday March 20th. Certainly taken awhile to get to this point .....
February 13th, 2017 at 9:32 PM ^
So are the days of their lives.
February 13th, 2017 at 10:59 PM ^
for the 80s daytime soap reference
February 13th, 2017 at 4:36 PM ^
I'm sure one of those reasons is trying to find an impartial jury. But yeah, wealth can buy a lot when you're not the one who literally pulled the trigger
February 13th, 2017 at 4:59 PM ^
finding a jury has not been one of them. I tend to think they'll find a jury easily enough.
By far the biggest reason for the delay has been because of Cynthia Baldwin --- Penn State's general counsel in 2011, who went before the investigating grand jury in 2012. She violated attorney-client privledge (for Spanier/Curley/Schultz) in doing so. MASSIVE screw-up on her part. Link below provides much more detail. Frankly, I'm shocked she hasn't been disbarred.
http://hughbradyconrad.blogspot.com/2016/01/sandusky-case-cynthia-baldw…
February 13th, 2017 at 5:28 PM ^
It's Pennsylavania and I don't say that facetiously. PSU and several other Pennsylvant schools that receive state funding are largely free from FOIA requests. It was a problem before and after the Sandusky scandal broke and, to the best of my knowledge, it remains a problem now.
https://www.rcfp.org/browse-media-law-resources/news-media-law/news-med…
Baldwin should have been disbarred. I believe that certain charges have been thrown out due to her inappropriate conduct.
February 13th, 2017 at 5:49 PM ^
Pittsburgh, PSU, Temple and Lincoln University (small HBCU) are the only 4 schools it applies to. They all band together and lobby for it --- most recently just last year in 2016 --- whenever the Pennsylvania legislature thinks about changing that law.
You're also correct in that some of the charges were thrown out (and from a legal sense, the judges definitely made the right decision) --- solely because of Baldwin's conduct.
February 13th, 2017 at 5:59 PM ^
Wouldn't FOIA also be available if federal funds are given to a university which PSU, Pitt and Temple most assuredly receive for the research done at these universities? Perhaps the athletic departments, just as is the case at Michigan, is a separate legal entity.
The information is of course available as part of discovery if a suit has been filed, but how they get away with insulating themselves from public dissemination of information when requested through FOIA is disgusting.
February 13th, 2017 at 6:21 PM ^
PA public Universities fall into 2 discrete groups. The 1st group is PSU, Pitt, Temple and Lincoln, which get classified as "state-related institutions." The 2nd group are the 14 state-owned schools: the likes of Bloomsburg, Lock Haven, East Stroudsburg, et cetera (basically, these are all the PSAC schools).
The 2nd group, being state-OWNED, are subject to PA's "right-to-know laws." The 1st group has a special exemption. The rationale here is that since these 4 schools are "state-RELATED", they aren't subject to the requirements of all other Commonwealth agencies.
Not saying it makes any sense, but that's the situation there. It's really a wording thing more than anything --- whether a school is owned by the state or simply gets some financial help from the state.
FWIW, Temple & Pitt are squarely on Penn State's side here --- they also lobby for this and like the "benefits" this exemption provides them. Having all 3 schools (as opposed to just 1 or 2) lobbying for the exemption does make things harder to change.
http://pafoic.org/agencies-subject-to-the-right-to-know-law/
February 13th, 2017 at 4:27 PM ^
This is about a person who was abused, who has now victimized another person, more than it is about football, or the Big Ten, or the NCAA.
Trying to frame this positively - the best chance we have to break cycles like this (sexual / domestic violence) is to bring them to light when they are discovered so that perpetrators can be stopped and counseling can be provided for victims. Often family members of victims stay silent out of fear or shame, which contributes to the cycle continuing.
Thoughts and prayers are with the victim.
February 13th, 2017 at 3:34 PM ^
February 13th, 2017 at 3:38 PM ^
Yes, I believe that he is.
February 13th, 2017 at 6:28 PM ^
February 13th, 2017 at 3:38 PM ^
I don't want to condone this guy's actions at all. If its all true, they're despicable. But it has to make you wonder if Jr. was abused by Sandusky as well.
I'm not at all an authority on these kinds of matters, but thought I've heard that a good portion of people who sexually abuse others were once abused themselves. Goes to show the sheer trauma and emotional damage that such an event can have on a person.
February 13th, 2017 at 10:52 PM ^
ALL SIGNS POINT TO YES
February 13th, 2017 at 3:40 PM ^
Via my psychologist wife it's VERY common for victims of abuse to themselves become perpetrators. The domino effect is one of the main justifications for treating child sexual abuse as a particularly heinous crime before the law. The abuse doesn't just damage the victim while it's happening--it fucks up peoples' wiring for the rest of their lives, and often leads to more people's lives getting fucked up.
February 13th, 2017 at 5:14 PM ^
if jerry sr. wasn't also abused as a child.
and his father before him...
ad nauseam
February 14th, 2017 at 1:18 AM ^
I've posted this before about Jerry Sr's father:
"His father Arthur served in the field of youth service programs for over 30 years, mostly as director of the Brownson House in Washington, Pennsylvania, a community recreation center for children. There, he founded the Pennsylvania Junior Wrestling program and created junior basketball, volleyball, boxing and football programs for the Brownson House."
Of course I have no evidence, but I would bet a hefty chunk of change that Jerry Sr. was himself abused either by his father or by somebody connected to his father's own youth service programs. One way abusers get access to victims is by participation in activities that children are involved in, and the activities in Arthur Sandusky's programs would have been the ideal means for contact.
February 14th, 2017 at 10:14 AM ^
Sorry, but this really, really bothers me. It's offensive and wrong. I suggest that you, and especially your wife, stop perpetuating this false and potentially damaging narrative. Yes, there is a link between being a victim and becoming a perpetrator, but that is very different from it being "very common" that victoms become perpetrators. It may be very common that perpetrators have been victims, but that is a different narrative. Your narrative casts victims under a cloud of suspicion and would call for a higher level of scrutiny. Statistically speaking, if it were "very common" for victims to become perpetrators, it would only take several generations before a very large portion of the population was perpetrators. That's just not the case. While perpetrators are probably likely to have been victims, it doesnt mean victims are "very likely" to become perpetrators.
For more info, here is the conclusion to a study of the victim-perpetrator link (found here:http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/179/6/482)
"This analysis of data deriving from a male cohort attending a forensic psychotherapy clinic for antisocial and sexually deviant subjects gives rise to some comments and conclusions. It would seem that there are at least two subgroups of adult perpetrators of child sexual abuse — a smaller one which had previous (self-reported) childhood victim experiences (n=79) and a larger one which did not (n=146) — it is only for the smaller group that the notion of a cycle of sexual abuse can be considered. In this high-risk cohort, derived from a forensic psychotherapy out-patient population, the risk of being a perpetrator is enhanced by prior victim experiences, doubled for incest, more so for paedophilia, and even higher for those exposed to both paedophilia and incest. This suggests that, in this selected sample, the experience of being a victim of paedophilia may have a more powerful causative influence in giving rise to the subject becoming a perpetrator than does incest, and the joint experience of being exposed to both paedophilia and incest has the most powerful effect. However, when seeking causal links, the focus should be on multifactorial origins, but with the expectation that some factors will be more powerful than others. Although the data do not provide strong support for a cycle of sexual abuse encompassing a substantial proportion of male perpetrators, prior victimisation may have some effect in a minority of perpetrators, and can be viewed as one mediating factor which enhances the probability of subsequent perpetrator behaviour."
February 13th, 2017 at 4:06 PM ^
February 13th, 2017 at 4:20 PM ^
This is why I particularly hate PSU fans, because they downplay the seriousness of those crimes. What he did wasn't a momentary thing, he ruined peoples lives, and Paterno allowed it to continue. While I hate what his adopted son did, part of me also has to pity him, because he was likely victimised the most by Sandusky..
February 13th, 2017 at 5:23 PM ^
No matter how monstrous or painful the behavior, victims can often become the perpetrators of the same crimes that traumatized them.
February 13th, 2017 at 9:47 PM ^