OT - How Are You Paying for Your (kids') College?

Submitted by xtramelanin on

Mates,

We are a year out from having the first one go off to college.  

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She is busy researching schools and we were talking tuition and room and board last night.   Uhm.  Yeah.  Things have changed in that regard since when I went to school on a magnitude of about 10X.  When I stopped playing hockey, painting houses all summer was enough to pay for my last two years of tuition and board.  Not so these days!

It is hoped that we would avoid debt of any kind for the kids's school, and so the question is:

How are you/do you plan on paying your kids' college costs?   

Thank you, and hopefully many good ideas are shared.

XM

Trebor

August 11th, 2016 at 2:07 PM ^

It's sorta half sarcastic, I admit. I mean, we're definitely not having kids, but money isn't the real reason; I just tossed that in there because the topic is money-related. It's mostly a personal decision on our parts about responsibility and freedom. There's so much we want to experience and do together, and there's just no way we can do those things and be responsible, attentive parents.

The Mad Hatter

August 11th, 2016 at 1:08 PM ^

It all depends on where she is accepted and decides to attend.  Her grades and test scores are good, but not perfect, so she'll probably get into Michigan (which is her #1 choice, obviously), but she's also applying to ND, NU, a couple Ivies just for shits and giggles,  and a few others that escape me at the moment.

OU is her safety school, and might end up being my preferred choice.  A colleague of mine has a kid going there on a full academic ride, and her grades weren't that much better than my kid's.  

I'm going to make her take out the 5k (or whatever it is now) in student loans each year, just so she has some skin in the game, and my in-laws are going to kick in an as yet undisclosed amount.

So with my luck I'll be selling heroin and my ass by this time next year.

MGoBender

August 11th, 2016 at 1:11 PM ^

I love the idea of making your kid take out 5k in loans, even if you could theoretically cover it.  Coming out of college with $20k in debt is no big deal at all.  It's a car payment.  It teaches some good fiscal responsibility, starts building credit, and as you point out: puts some of the kid's skin in the game.

Monocle Smile

August 11th, 2016 at 1:15 PM ^

There are already plenty of other bills for the purpose of "teaching lessons." Lots of folks, especially my age, have trouble making car payments without also making a second "car payment." That's cool if you land a cushy job where rent is cheap, but folks coming out of college are strongly lowballed when it comes to salary and the cost of rent continues to climb.

Leatherstocking Blue

August 11th, 2016 at 1:30 PM ^

I worked for adoctor who, with her lobbiest husband, had a household income close to $400K but she insisted that both her two sons and daughter go into the military before college to earn money and mature. Even when they leave the military she expects them to take out loans for college so "they don't major in something useless."

Leatherstocking Blue

August 11th, 2016 at 2:10 PM ^

Doctor is at rural Upstate NY hospital that uses a salary-based physician model. They make a lot less than private practice but have closer to a 9-5 job, can do research and are considered associate professors as this is also a teaching hospital.

 

I took a wild guess on what the husband makes, but I'm also admittedly naive when it comes to the cost of buying votes in Washington.

willywill9

August 11th, 2016 at 1:14 PM ^

It's past the point of affordability, so...loans, grants, and apply for a ton of scholarships.

I was at michigan 2002-2006, my mom didn't pay anything, (to her credit, she paid for me to go to a jesuit hs back home in nyc).  Luckily i got 50% in grant money, ~15% in scholarship, some work study and paid for about ~35% in loans.

I have no kids but i'm sure as hell scared of this very topic.  I guess they'd just have to borrow money and i'd help where i can.

His Dudeness

August 11th, 2016 at 1:13 PM ^

Kids?! What're you fucking nuts?

Thanks to the baby boomer generation being the world's greediest piles of shit,  I'm not even sure I will be able to get my own ass through this world. Let alone drag a child kicking and screaming into it.

Kids?! Good luck.

JamieH

August 11th, 2016 at 1:15 PM ^

I'm probably going to tell my kids (very young at this point) they have to go to an in-state public school.  Maybe that makes me sound like a jerk, but with the crazy exploding costs of higher education, I no longer see the value of an out-of-state or private degree vs. the cost to acquire it, unless you can get massive financial aid. 

In-state tuition to our in-state school (considered top 20 for public schools in the country) is around $10K a year.  Board is another $10K or so.  it will be more by the time my kids go, but I will be able to afford that kind of pay-out out of my retirement savings. I really should have it in a 529--I will be transitioning some of it in there when I get my @$$ in gear.  Out-of-state or private costs?  Forget about it.

I realize that is restrictive, and probably means Michigan is out unelss my kids move to live with their grandparents, but I think it's just reality.   If they desperately have to go to some specific private or out of state school, I guess they can take out a massive loan, but I will greatly discourage that.  If they stay in-state and public, I will pay 100%, just like my parents did for me.

 

ak47

August 11th, 2016 at 1:23 PM ^

If they can get into harvard or stanford  or other really elite schools those schools will find a way for them to go.  Amherst for example has a policy that they want 0% of students graduating wtih debt. Harvard makes tutiton free for any kid with a household income like under 200k.  The problem is those schools have a 14% and 5.2% acceptance rate respectively. 

But yeah I don't have kids but if any future children want to go to the Oberlins of the world they better be getting a scholarship.

JamieH

August 11th, 2016 at 2:07 PM ^

No I won't. I could have gone pretty much anywhere I wanted to. My parents gave me the same option. Go to Michigan for free, or figure out how to pay my way to Carnegie Mellon or Stanford or one of the other top engineering programs that were recruiting me. Note that Stanford didn't have the massive tuition assistance programs then that they have now, or maybe that would have been an option. I'm not saying I won't pay anything if my kids want to go to an Ivy League school. But I'm saying I will pay 100% if they do what I believe is the best value for the money, which is to go to a public, in-state school. I won't tell them which one to go to--there are several very highly rated options where we live. If they absolutely, positively, have to go to some private or out of state school, well then, they will have to take out a student loan and make sure that whatever degree they are getting from this fantastic school is worth it to pay off that loan.

ypsituckyboy

August 11th, 2016 at 1:47 PM ^

You're not a jerk. I think I'll do the same. I'll pay for school if they go to an in-state public school. If they want to "follow their dreams" by going to an out-of-state or private school, I'll tell them they're on their own.

I'm not saving in 529's. Instead, i'm just focusing on having a high savings rate for my retirement and saving money outside of tax-advantaged investment accounts. Then, I'll just cash flow their college tuition when they go and turn down the nozzle on my own saving (hopefully I'll have enough to retire by that point).

I'd be totally happy to send them to trade school and give them $50k to start an electrical or plumbing business instead.

Naked Bootlegger

August 11th, 2016 at 2:04 PM ^

I'd be totally happy to send them to trade school and give them $50k to start an electrical or plumbing business instead.
I share this sentiment exactly. I will be happy to invest start-up capital for my child if they are more interested in the trades in lieu of $200K in undergrad college costs. I have many family members and friends who have carved a nice lifestyle in the modern day trades.

mgolund

August 11th, 2016 at 5:24 PM ^

Having payments, whether student loans, car payments, credit card payments, whatever, saps people from their ability to save and invest. Going in-state is a great way to get an education at a lower cost, hopefully not taking out loans. That is a gift, even if it doesn't feel like it to the kids. Besides that, what does an out of state public school offer your kid that the in-state does not? Often (but not always), the answer is nothing.

So, be a jerk. Help your kids get out of school without debt. Their life will be significantly better for it.

 

JamieH

August 11th, 2016 at 5:50 PM ^

I have told my parents several times that the biggest gift they gave me was allowing me to start my post-college life debt-free.  I graduated from Michigan with enough savings in my bank account (from birthday gifts saved my entire childhood) for down-payment on a car and first and last-months rent.  So I had a degree, a job, a car, an apartment, nothing in the bank...and zero debt.  Best gift I could have ever gotten. 



I've never asked for, nor needed, another penny from my parents.  They saved me untold thousands by doing what they did for me when I was in school. 


Note that I wasn't a total freeloader while I was in school.  I earned as much as $12/hr in my best summer internship, and all of that went straight to my parnets.  So I payed at least a few thousand while I was in school. 

maizenbluenation

August 11th, 2016 at 1:15 PM ^

Started her ESA last month in some good mutal funds. Should be a good chunk in there by the time she hits college. What she doesn't have she better make up for with working and/or scholorships. Otherwise, its off to community college for you for the first couple years.

MAccLA

August 11th, 2016 at 1:16 PM ^

Athletic Scholarship

As some of you may know, my wife was a HS All-American and played basketball for Michigan, standing a legit 6'3". I don't have an athletic bone in my body, but I am still banking on our two girls, ages 2 and 8, getting some sort of athletic scholarship. My oldest is already approaching 5 feet and wears a size 9 women's shoe. Way too many opportunities due in part to Title IX not to try.

socalwolverine1

August 11th, 2016 at 1:16 PM ^

It depends on your household FAFSA and whether your kid has any special status or dispensation (high grades and standardized test scores, targeted ethnicity, etc.).  We put five kids through major colleges (public and private) at the same time using a combination of scholarships, student loans, savings, cooperative contributions from ex's, and having several of our kids work as student employees on campus.  Shopping around for scholarship packages is critical (which means applying to many schools), and the FAFSA is the starting point.  But our experience was that the privates offer the most generous schollies by far.  Two of our kids auditioned for and were accepted into UM's music school, but their out of state scholarship packages were simply uncompetitive, unfortunately.  One went to NYU and the other to University of Richmond, which offered much bigger schollies.

xtramelanin

August 11th, 2016 at 1:29 PM ^

i started them all with 529's at/near birth, but that will end up paying about one year of costs.  

academically oldest is outstanding, SAT's etc are excellent so hopefully that will help. 

Kevin13

August 11th, 2016 at 1:16 PM ^

We are getting ready to take my daughter back to college for her Sophomore year. We had a 529 set up for her for years and that has helped with the expense. She has earned some scholarship money for grades and softball. Then it just amounts to being on a payment plan to cover the rest. It's almost like having another mortgage payment though. You kind of feel like a college kid yourself again with doing a little less.

I would really tell people to start a 529 or some type of savings as soon as you can to help pay for their college.

My daughter is probably going to need grad school also, which I'm not too excited about paying for, but ultimately will.

Qmatic

August 11th, 2016 at 1:20 PM ^

I came from a lower-middle class family. In-state tuition, with some scholarships but not crazy. I had a factory job I got through a family member in the summers which was big. I exited undergrad and grad at U-M with just under 60k debt. I make payments every month, and just have deducted from my paycheck. To me it's just a part of my whole lump sum of expenses (mortgage, insurance, utilities, etc.) it's not 100% ideal but not debilitating by any means

Leatherstocking Blue

August 11th, 2016 at 1:23 PM ^

While a price tag of $60K  a year is intimidating, many private schools (especially the top schools competing for the best students) often come out cheaper than public schools for families making less than $100K. 

Another loophole an aquaintance stumbled across was when her daughter was a salutatorian at a local rural highj school had her grant money reduced at a top 25 liberal arts college, she went to a solid regional college who offered a full scholarship since she was oneof the top incoming students.

Sometimes colleges will find out of area student appealing to increase their regional diversity and may offer more aid than a similar stature local school.

 

ElBictors

August 11th, 2016 at 1:27 PM ^

529 Plans give you the potential for tax-free growth and expense, provided the money is used for qualified expenses ...which nowadays is far broader than it used to be as "Tuition, Room & Board."  You also get a state-level tax deduction on your 529 contributions.

Unfortunately, tuition is so fucking expensive these days that even an aggressive 8% rate of return over many years amounts to squat. 

If you still have a relatively long time horizon -- toddlers or small, school-aged -- a 529 Plan with systematic contributions is an easy way to build something over time ...I would also add that there are a TON of scholarships that many overlook and the internet has made it far easier to find.

Our neighbor's son is a Soph at Gonzaga this fall and they found a number of smaller scholarships on line that help supplement, at least, the total cost of his education.

 

Another more common trend is sending kids to a smaller, community college to complete the core basics before transferring to a more traditional 4yr University.  I know I was dying to go to college, live the dorms and be on my own, but many parents now are opting to let their kids "find themselves" the first couple years and adjust to college, without paying the increased costs of those schools.

 

 

Blazefire

August 11th, 2016 at 1:24 PM ^

It's not really that hard. "This is what we can afford. Anything your college costs beyond that will need to be paid by scholarships, grants, and loans." How coddled were you people?



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Drbogue

August 11th, 2016 at 1:27 PM ^

I started the 529 plans when the kids were born. When I looked at my investor calculator for the price of a four-year out of state public education I was instructed to deposit $900 per child every month for the next 22 years. The estimate was somewhere around 300,000+ for four years room and board! While not quite making that quota I think the 529 plan in the monthly deposit for as much as you can earl on makes sense. Some states have really good educational prepaids but in Florida there's not a single public institution I would send my kids to. For short-term cash a lot of the credit unions give really great student loans at much better rates than you will get from a big bank or the government. I would also look at any scholarships that are local. You'll be surprised to find how many there are. Although they are usually smaller dollar amounts every bit helps.



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ElBictors

August 11th, 2016 at 1:42 PM ^

Yeah, when my son was about 2yrs old, we ran a Hypothetical Illustration for college tuition as an Out of State student at MICHIGAN and In State student at the Univ of COLORADO...

4yrs estimated for his time in college was $450,000 for MICHIGAN and $225,000 for COLORADO...

 

I can't think of spending half a million dollars on a MICHIGAN degree if spending half of that gets him a BA or BS from CU ...it's just not worth the difference as much as it pains me as a UM Alum.

I was also told that a family looking at Out of State MICHIGAN vs Notre Dame are finding the difference in cost to be negligible ...so now Out of State UM is on par with Private School Tuition...  that's asinine.