OT: Game of Thrones- S7 E2 Stormborn

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That was a helluva season opener! Season 7 body count: The Hound- 0 Jon Snow-0 The Mountain-0 Dragons-0 Euron Greyjoy-0 Arya Stark-50+

Perkis-Size Me

July 24th, 2017 at 10:37 AM ^

After Jon threatened him last night, you can bet that Littlefinger is going to try and turn Sansa against Jon. Or he'll try to convince the northern lords that Jon is a traitor and have them sent out to kill him without Sansa knowing. 

But I do believe that Sansa will eventually have Littlefinger killed. She knows that she is his one remaining weakness now that Catlyn is dead, and she'll use that to her advantage before this is all over. 

Catchafire

July 23rd, 2017 at 10:37 PM ^

Can they just kill Theon already? There has been no justice but pain in every one of his scenes. I don't buy the BS about he can't be a changed man due to Ramsey. He just suffers and gets humiliated. When Ramsey got killed I got no satisfaction from it because he still lives through Theon.

bacon1431

July 23rd, 2017 at 10:44 PM ^

But it harkens back to what Ramsey said to Sansa - "i'm part of you now." That is PTSD and trauma. People who suffer trauma relive their experiences over and over and over again. He's confronted with what happened to him every time he sees an attractive woman. Every time he gets stressed. I'd be disappointed if he had gotten over it in the first battle.

Charmandar

July 24th, 2017 at 12:30 PM ^

The Nymeria scene was my favorite. It harkens back to the second episode of the series when Arya told Ned "That's not me" when Ned suggests that she join Sansa trying on dresses for a feast. Nymeria leaving told Arya that the two of them are no longer domesticated Starks. Arya is going to go to Winterfell with a new purpose rather than having a Stark reunion. Something tells me Littlefinger will be Arya's next kill.  

Perkis-Size Me

July 24th, 2017 at 10:04 AM ^

After watching Euron last night, I have to say that he reminds me a lot of the Joker. A man who just seems to revel in chaos, who has a pretty dark sense of humor, is not afraid to do his own dirty work, and seems to enjoy war and murder for its own sake.

He seems like he legitimately has fun cutting people down, or as he mentioned on last week's episode, watching other people get cut down. Even if its his own people. 

 

I Bleed Maize N Blue

July 24th, 2017 at 12:31 AM ^

Mmmmissandei ....

Sam is brave in his way. Or foolhardy. At least loyal, trying to help the son of his former Lord Commander. But man, I'd want a biohazard suit before trying to cut all that off Jorah.

Who's going to lead Dorne now? I won't miss the Sand Snakes too much, though.

Not surprised Theon went for a swim. For him to have a redeeming moment? It's not that kind of show. Or at least it's not time for it. Maybe he'll have to find R'hllor.

OwenGoBlue

July 24th, 2017 at 1:50 AM ^

I'm glad Sam is finally shining but really hoping "so I read a book and this is how you solve your problem" doesn't drive too much plot the rest of the way. 

If it does there better be a Maester LeVar Burton cameo.

 

Solecismic

July 24th, 2017 at 4:47 AM ^

Has Tyrion ever been wrong about a strategy before? That had to be intentional. Plus, it seems to get rid of a ton of "allies" who aren't worth that much (count me amongst the many who found the sand snakes beyond tedious). He really doesn't want Daenerys anywhere near King's Landing because he won't underestimate Cersei. Could have done without Sam flaying Jorah. Was that meant for us to remember what Ramsey did to Theon, so we better understand what use Jorah will be if his life is saved? Out of all the characters who seem vital to this story, Sam seems to be the furthest from where he needs to be with only 11 episodes remaining.

ken725

July 24th, 2017 at 5:18 AM ^

He made a mistake making a deal with the slavers last season.

You think the Martells and Tyrells aren't worth much? House Tyrell is one of the Great Houses of Westeros. House Martell is essentially extinct because Prince Doran and Trystane were killed, but they still possess a large army.

Where do you want Sam to be? The citadel is exactly where Sam needs to be.

Solecismic

July 24th, 2017 at 5:57 AM ^

Tyrion leads a charmed existence, though. What may seem like a mistake ends up working out well based on his loyalties. It was best to get Daenerys out of Essos, however high the cost. Even if the Aeron massacre wasn't his intent and even if this keeps those armies on the sidelines, it may be what will work out best for Daenerys. He's seen, many times, that a large army doesn't always have a lot of value. Plus, Cersei now has the world's first effective anti-aircraft artillery. He also still feels loyalty to Jaime, which is another reason he might want to hold off on sacking King's Landing. Jaime will still die for Cersei and would pose a serious threat to Daenerys unless he's killed. Tyrion and Varys get along well because neither one really cares who is on the throne, but they have their loyalties and understand each other. We see Daenerys is growing and learning - she accepted Varys's explanations when she banished Jorah for somewhat similar behavior in the past. She seems more aware of how things work. As for Sam, sure, he's on a path toward reforming the maester world, but is that particularly interesting? Every other story is quickly being reduced to settling the throne and battling the white walkers. Sam is the unlikely knight in that final battle. He needs to be there. He didn't just take his father's sword out of mischief or vengeance. That sword has to be his destiny and the white walkers are not headed toward the citadel. So my guess is that he loses his chain fairly soon and this Jorah thing is only the vehicle for that realization. Another character that's on his way somewhere (seemingly for about 61 episodes of the 62) is Bran. Isn't he pretty much the only person who could give Jon and Daenerys the information they need to see value in their union? All that warging and third-eying has been repeated ad nauseum. It has to amount to something significant or it would have been dropped a long time ago.

ken725

July 24th, 2017 at 12:07 PM ^

To me Sam's story is really interesting. That sword might be his destiny, but it matters what he does with that sword. To me it is more likely that he learns the lost magic/art of forging Valyrian steel. He can't lose his chain fairly soon because he doesn't have one yet. He first has to become an Acolyte before he can get a Maester chain.

Solecismic

July 24th, 2017 at 3:27 PM ^

That would be an interesting contribution. The question is whether there's time to develop that interest. It's a big leap to go from mopping up poop and reading library books to magic-infused metallurgy. He already has the sword - one of only a few in existence. He was mockingly called "The Slayer" because people didn't believe his story about the white walkers. In a world where the deadliest assassin is a teenage girl, I think there's plenty of room for the irony that a professed coward will be the undeadliest warrior in the battle of all battles. We have, finally, all the major Iron Throne players on the same continent seemingly on an active path to clash. The next odyssey (presumably the focus of the shortened final season) is to get all of those Valyrian swords to battle. Those swords are characters, just like anything else in this world. You're right that he hasn't had the time or opportunity to develop the expertise required to have a chain. I don't know what that was in the shadows.

Whole Milk

July 24th, 2017 at 12:47 PM ^

I was unaware that there is a leaked plot. To me it seems like that is the natural progression. Drogon is the only Dragon that really has an individualized role, so I assumed the other two were expendable. Now that they introduced this massive crossbow (which, is super anti climatic. How has no one ever come up with this before the "master-mind" Qyburn?), it has got to be successful once. And then it just makes sense that the Ice Dragon wins one fight before being defeated by Drogon, the most elite dragon of them all.

Whole Milk

July 24th, 2017 at 1:55 PM ^

Yes, but wouldn't a similar device (simply changing the angle to a downward shot) be incredibly useful for ships ala the battle of the blackwater bay. Maybe they haven't needed to shoot dragons out of the air, but this weapon is basically just a bigger version of the crossbow that they already have, something that could have been useful at other times in history.

ST3

July 24th, 2017 at 3:14 PM ^

but I don't think the giant cross-bow would be very effective against the large items of the day - ships and siege towers. Catapults with fireballs would work better against those things. I think they did have a decent-sized cross bow thing at the wall for dealing with giants.

ken725

July 24th, 2017 at 5:33 PM ^

They did come up with something similar. It will be interesting if the show dragons can be killed by these crossbows. Dragons that are full grown like Drogon should have scales like armor that are impervious to spears and arrows. In the past one of the few ways to kill a dragon was to spear it through the eye.

 

Perkis-Size Me

July 24th, 2017 at 9:56 AM ^

I don't know how I feel about Theon anymore. I felt like the last season and a half or so was building up to him ultimately redeeming himself, and it may still come to that. But watching him tuck his tail between his legs and jump ship leaves me unsure of that. Its somewhat hard for me to blame him for running, though. 

Just goes to show how scarred and brutalized that Theon truly was by Ramsay. Both literally and figuratively. Even though Ramsay is dead (not even sure Theon knows that yet), he will be a part of Theon until the day Theon dies. Or as Ramsay said, "until you're rotting in the ground."

Anytime Theon is confronted with violence, or is in front of a pretty girl, he's going to have to relive what Ramsay did to him.