OT: Fox Biz/Jordan Belfort have the worst take on NCAA scandal

Submitted by L'Carpetron Do… on

I'm sorry I saw this and just thought it was too mind-blowing not to post. It's fairly OT but its about the scandal and the problem of corruption in college sports in general.

http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2017/09/27/students-need-to-take-som…;

So for some reason, Fox Business had a brief segment about the NCAA basketball scandal yesterday and for even more inexplicable reasons, decided to ask noted Wall Street fraudster Jordan Belfort about it. Belfort served time in prison in the early 2000s for a massive securities fraud scheme and is more commonly known as the Wolf of Wall Street. He offered a ridiculous take on the NCAA scandal claiming that the players bear some responsibility here as well and should "educate themselves" (it also featured the great line: "they're kids, but they're adults"). While that is true on some level, the vast majority of the blame should fall on the wealthy grown men who perpetrated the scheme which implicated those players who were, of course, high school kids at the time.

Watching the video it struck me as some kind of ham-fisted attempt to deflect criticism from financial advisors for their role in the scandal? Does that make sense?  Or was he just plugging his book and they had nothing else to talk about? It seems so weird and just an awful, awful take.

(Curiously, Fox Business refers to Belfort as the author of Wolf of Wall Street and not, you know, the criminal behind it. It's his autobiography).

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Mr. Owl

September 28th, 2017 at 10:27 AM ^

Clearly this is all Obama's fault.

 

(sarcasm folks... it's fox.  you can't trust anything they say.  anything.  really.)

Gucci Mane

September 28th, 2017 at 2:09 PM ^

I disagree. The media is so liberal that anything that doen't fall in line with that seems wrong. I'm not saying Fox is great and everythign else sucks, but if you choose to only watch the uber liberal shows then you will not get a true picture.

As a side note.....does it make anyone else uncomfortable that female news anchors feel a need to cut their hair short ? It is as if they feel so pressured by society to prove themselves they need to distance themselves from feminine features. 

ijohnb

September 28th, 2017 at 2:21 PM ^

female news anchors?  Rachel Maddow and Mika Brezinski?  There are a number of female anchors, correspondence, hosts that have long hair.  There are a couple that have short hair but what does that have to do with anything?

 

In reply to by ijohnb

Gucci Mane

September 28th, 2017 at 2:28 PM ^

Megyn Kelley cut her hair when she wanted to be taken more seriously as a news anchor. I believe it is a females way of pushing away their femininity and atemping to be seen more for their merit. It is sad they feel the need to do this. 

ijohnb

September 28th, 2017 at 2:44 PM ^

think you are looking way too far into this.  A lot of women are going with shorter hair styles right now.  It is something of a trend.  And you think that Megyn Kelley wanted to be "taken more seriously as a news anchor" so she cut her hair short and started interviewing the cast of Will and Grace?  Come on.  Quite a reach. 

Tuebor

September 28th, 2017 at 6:49 PM ^

That might have been true 20 years ago, but a self described "democratic socialist" almost beat one of the most entrenched current political dynasties and it took massive collusion with the main stream press to defeat him. That and millennials have a favorable view of socialism. The US left has shifted far away from the center.

DairyQueen

September 29th, 2017 at 1:04 AM ^

FDR's "New Deal", today, by politicians and lobbyists, would absolutely be called "socialism". When in fact, it was quite centrist for it's time.

What's new is technology. 

This forum, us watching football streaming online, Harbaugh doing a podcast. It would be incomprehensible just a couple decades back.

Technology is new.

And technology has put capitalism on steroids (and now we all have CTE?), and is now out of control (hence, the recent anti-golobalism in US, UK, Germany, etc. it's not so much "racism" as it is people no longer feel a part of a community from which, and in which, they make decisions, play a role, and have an effect on), and technology has absolutely accelerated the speed at which capital moves leading to wealth creation and distribution, and wealth disparity--increasing since the 70s--absolutely unprecedented in human history, and that we don't have laws (politics) or wisdom (philosophy) to deal with.

We're all children right now. And we look it.

The US culuture is neoliberal.

Which actually comprises both "the left' AND "the right", because they share the belief (keyword beliefe) that "the market", "jobs", "productivity" "capital", "management", "beaucracy", etc, is the solution to e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g.

The myth that "markets solve all problems" is an unbelievably pervasive fallacy, ideologically sold to Americans (by both sides mind you) under the facade of "freedom", which has more or less substituted as america's "religion" (that and "science" which few people really understand--not the least of which is scientists themselves), it is the one unquestioned panacea, that "the market" is supposed to solve all woes (hence why Bernie is absolutely not a "socialist" in the least, he's a New-Deal Democrat). Which normally, it does (historically, there's good evidence). But for the last 50ish years has unfortunately reversed and now creates as many absurdities as it does solutions (historically, there's good evidence).

Perverse incentives (remember Fight Club?).

Bernie said it best, we already have socialism, for the rich that is, and the politicians (who DO have goverment provided healthcare by the way--I thought that was a "bad thing"?), and "capitalism" for the poor--which is really austerity--hence the social unrest/violence from BOTH sides.

We haven't really moved "left" or "right", so much as we've intensified the center.

And the culture, laws, society, philosophy, religion, has been left in the dust.

Hence the free-for-all that has hit the US and the rest of the world.

The answer isn't socialism, but it sure as hell isn't extreme capitalism. The answer isn't political correctness, but it sure as hell isn't racism.

We're super out of balance.

We need a good running-game to set up the pass, and a good passing-game so they can't stack the box with no worries.

L'Carpetron Do…

September 29th, 2017 at 10:57 AM ^

Obama was fairly moderate and some political scientists thought he governed similar (or even to the right of) Nixon. Plus, the Clintons aren't the liberal boogiemen the right makes them out to be - they're pretty mod.

The right is now approaching Goldwater right-wing territory.  A big split is on the way in the GOP - "the establishment", which has lurched hard to the right in recent years, vs. the fringe, a new crop of ultra-conservative candidates on the extreme right, e.g. Roy Moore.

The media landscape, particularly Fox, was a huge factor in this shift.

caliblue

September 29th, 2017 at 12:06 AM ^

Most of what Obama said would be considered moderate Republican speak. Gerry Ford would be a flaming liberal now. Even Reagan, the hero of the right , would be considered too liberal for true believers. The left became more center with Clinton ( Bill ) but the Republicans kept moving to the right. Bernie represents the mainstream and left of center Democrats who have been marginalized by the move to the right of both parties. 

Reader71

September 29th, 2017 at 12:08 PM ^

It’s not just his perspective. It’s pretty commonly understood amongst political scientists and historians. There’s no chance of a New Deal passing today, meaning that far left of the spectrum doesn’t really have any major support today. On the other side, the Tea Party is a new phenomenon, and Republicans regularly fight primaries over who is more Conservative. Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Obama, and Ms Clinton have all been centrists who ran on a moderate message. Perhaps more to the point, nationalism, neo-Nazism, and open racism are on the rise. Can’t remember the last time there was a large demonstration with swastikas before this year.

Gucci Mane

September 29th, 2017 at 2:16 PM ^

If you want to tell me conservative politicians are more conservative than before I will disagree, but understand where it's coming from. Linking racism to conservatism is crossing the line. There is absolutely no correlation. Only link is how the media labels "racists". I know many black and Hispanic people who are prejudice.

Reader71

September 29th, 2017 at 2:44 PM ^

Forgive me, but I came to that conclusion on my own, without any media guidance. People with Nazi flags chanting ‘Jews will not replace us’ is conservative by definition. They are literally telling people, ‘we’re trying to conserve our place in society’. No personal offense meant, but your reasoning on this point is just nonsense. You can’t really believe that the Nazism, Confederism, and open racism, which are only coming from conservatives, is a media ploy.

Reader71

September 29th, 2017 at 4:02 PM ^

No, although I think it would be definitely leftist. Liberal has a different meaning, even though it’s been conflated with leftist to a huge degree. Improperly, in my eyes. You can’t call any totalitarian regime liberal. But this speaks to my point. Under a real fascist system, moderate Republican-esque policies could be considered liberal. And while we’re not under fascism, our system has gone so far to the right that what we consider liberal is really just centrist policy like allowing gays to buy cake.

Tuebor

October 2nd, 2017 at 9:50 PM ^

We have a moderate republican in office right now.


He is the first president to take office as an open supporter of gay marriage.  He has said that transgendered people should use the bathroom of their choosing.  His revenue neutral tax plan eliminates loopholes and deduction used by the wealthy while maintaining a 35% tax rate on top bracket earners.  But you are right, he wants to stop people from crossing the border illegally by building a wall so he is so far right he is nearly a fascist.  He wants to fix a crumbling healthcare system that is quickly becoming unaffordable so clearly he is nearly a fascist. 

 

pescadero

September 29th, 2017 at 12:40 PM ^

Richard Nixon - the conservative candidate in 1968:


Nixon created the EPA.
Nixon proposed a national health-care plan with federal subsidies.
Nixon proposed a negative income tax for poor people.
Nixon expanded the food stamp program.
Nixon enacted SSI for those with disabilities and the elderly.
Nixon imposed wage and price controls.
Nixon (through executive order) pushed the Philadelphia Plan, one of the most stringent affirmative action initiatives.
Nixon imposed the Alternative Minimum Tax.
Nixon dumped America’s diplomatic recognition of Taiwan.
Nixon created the Council on Environmental Quality.
Nixon created the Occupational Safety and Health Administration.
Nixon signed the command-and-control Clean Air Act into law.
Nixon opened China.
Nixon believed in a policy of detente with the USSR.
Nixon was responsible for the SALT I and SALT II nuclear treaties.
Nixon embrace Keynes and believed that government should spend as if it were at full employment in an effort to bring about full employment.

 

Reader71

September 29th, 2017 at 4:13 PM ^

Honest question: why do many Republicans reflexively bring up Obama in response to any criticism? Even if everything you say about Obama’s is true, it’s clear that you don’t like what he did, so why do you think that makes your guy doing it ok? Or, if you think he was the worst President, why does your only goal seem to be for your guy to only be the 2nd worst? And that really seems to be the goal, since every criticism is that Obama did it too, or Obama did it more or less, or whatever. Why hold us your Platonic ideal of bad as the sole point of comparison? I use the word you, but it’s not personal in any way. We might get the thread shut down, but I would like an honest answer from someone. This has puzzled me for quite some time.