OT: Former recruit Osa Masina in big big trouble

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Warning, some pretty graphic descriptions in this article. Masina charged with several sexual assault charges from event this summer. No longer with USC football program.

 

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I think a good reminder that sometimes it's a blessing to not land a guy just because he has stars. Coaches spend a lot of time recruiting and researching each of these kids and red flags are often easily found. This is a general statement and not directly related to this recruitment or any current recruitment.

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Magnus

December 13th, 2016 at 1:15 PM ^

Kiante Enis is in some trouble, too.

I'm glad to see things like this aren't getting swept under the rug like they have been at other places.

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Clarence Beeks

December 13th, 2016 at 1:15 PM ^

Your comment about stars is such a good one.  It seems that far too many people think these kids are all interchangeable cogs without personalities and preferences, whereas the reality is that when kids and schools are making these decisions one of the paramount considerations is whether the player is a personality fit for the team and school culture, and vice versa.  That alone answers many of the questions about why 5 star player X went to school Y, without even considering equally qualified (on paper) school Z.

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coldnjl

December 13th, 2016 at 1:28 PM ^

True but two, three, and four star kids can have these problems too. There is no line where the odds of off the field trouble is greater with more stars. The original idea of additional factors outside of recruiting ranking being important during the evaluation process is a good one, but that doesn't mean anything in general to five stars.

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Clarence Beeks

December 13th, 2016 at 3:05 PM ^

Absolutely!  I didn't mean to limit it to any level of stars; that was just an example. I actually didn't mean my comment to be about off the field trouble, but rather just how the idea of "fit" factors into recruiting in general.  I defintiely should have been more clear, as I now see how what I meant is very far from how it's been read.

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LSAClassOf2000

December 13th, 2016 at 1:54 PM ^

I think that is an interesting point, although I know we've discussed "wayward people", if you will, up and down the rankings and the star systems over the years. The larger point stands, I think - a five-star recruit is not always a five-star person (although it is that much more exciting when you find a recruit who seems to be both of those), and I think it something that schools and fans alike should remember. 

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Clarence Beeks

December 13th, 2016 at 3:10 PM ^

I 100% agree, and that applies to recruits at any level, although I'm sure that the risk taking factor can be higher as the "stars" go up.  As I mentioned in a comment above, I actually didn't mean for my prior post to be solely about negative aspects of fit, but rather just that idea of "fit" in the big picture.  That's not limited to being a five star person or not a five star person, but instead more to do with whether that persons values and personality align with which programs (since they are all very different - think groups of friends).  It's something that I don't think a lot of people keep that in mind often enough when it comes to why these kids end up where they do.

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beedub93

December 13th, 2016 at 1:54 PM ^

Same - however, and I'll get slammed for this - what was she thinking by agreeing to see this guy again after the first experience?

By no means am I absolving that fucking animal of anything, but my goodness. I would have hoped that she would have had the judgement to stay the hell away from him.



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AFWolverine

December 13th, 2016 at 2:24 PM ^

This, in my opinion, is why father figures and strong women are critical in the lives of every youth. Teaching kids to respect themselves enough to not allow things like this to happen more than once, and speaking up for themselves when it does. Even more so, teach youth to respect each other enough to not harm others in the first place.



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Ziff72

December 13th, 2016 at 1:27 PM ^

This is a horrible story.  

Hopefully they get to the truth of whatever it is because her account of the events don't seem to make sense.   

10 years ago her version of the story never makes it to trial.  Thankfully the culture has changed enough that her charges are heard and investigated despite her questionable choices.   Her choices should not dictate wether a crime was committed against her or not.    

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Mr. Yost

December 13th, 2016 at 6:24 PM ^

I don't understand how the comments are being an armchair lawyer.

There wasn't even anything about innocence or guilt. Just the culture and attention on violence against women in the athletics world has changed over the past 10 years. It has.

The culture of steriods and the attention on it changed 10 years before that. It did.

10 years from now we're probably going to look back on athletes using their platform for social issues, free speech, and causes they personally believe in...and we'll see the culture has shifted in that area. It's already started. The NFL is doing some my cause, my cleats thing and about to expand it. NBA has been out in front for awhile now.

What's the problem? It's facts. Due to whatever factors the culture and attention towards things chang from time to time.

 

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Mr. Yost

December 13th, 2016 at 10:29 PM ^

That's an opinion...not lawyering.

Your reaction made it sound like he was like "she's a lying, crazy person, who's known him forever...he's not guilty" or "he's a piece of shit who's clearly guilty and should get the max."

I guess it's just the word that threw many people off because what you quoted was simply an opinion that he doesn't think her accounts make sense.

I disagree, because I actually spoke with someone on her at length (on MGoBlog actually) about the mindset of some rape victims and her accounts made perfect sense to me once I learned something and did research on it.

Regardless, I personally didn't find that as armchair lawyering.

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Tim Waymen

December 13th, 2016 at 2:31 PM ^

It depends on how you define rape. If rape means forced sexual intercourse, then you are correct. But he sexually assaulted the woman by other means of penetration, including a stick IIRC.

There have been cases of police brutality and hazing in the past involving forcible insertion of broom or plunger handles. I apologize for the graphic description, but I think that rape can involve something other than a penis. I am inclined to agree with that definition.

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lbpeley

December 13th, 2016 at 1:51 PM ^

Regardless of what actually did or did not happen, why in the hell would she agree to go out and party with him again after what happened the first time? I would imagine that's going to be what the defense keys on. Ugly.

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lbpeley

December 13th, 2016 at 2:41 PM ^

The fact that she went out with him again and did the same things with drugs and alcohol again with him would not be too hard for a defense lawyer to cast some doubt on how scared or victimized she felt. I'm not saying it's right. I'm for sure not saying it's in any way her fault. I'm saying that's a pretty easy avenue for the defense to go down. 

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CalifExile

December 13th, 2016 at 4:23 PM ^

Whether she was scared is irrelevant. The legal issue is whether she gave consent to have sex. (A separate question is whether she consented to be videotaped.) The law provides that certain individuals are incapable of giving consent - even if they actually desire to have sex. That's what is in question here. Another example is minors, people who by law are under the age of consent, called statutory rape.

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Winchester Wolverine

December 13th, 2016 at 1:54 PM ^

Sickening if true. I'm not in anyway perpetuating rape culture, however, you have to question why she would put herself in a dangerous situation a second time. People need to learn that this type of behavior is not acceptable, and the predator will do it again if givin the opportunity. Things like this should be reported immediately.

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Winchester Wolverine

December 13th, 2016 at 2:14 PM ^

I agree with you. Some people seem to dismiss the possibility that sometimes victims make the wrong choices despite overwhelming reasons not to. In ny opinion, the law should view things objectively without actively dismissing human nature and a victim's ability to do the opposite of what they should. On the other side, holes in a victim's story need to be viewed as reasonable doubt in the defendant's case. The law should be equall. Unlike that Stanford athlete that got away with a slap on the wrist.

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