OT: Disturbing vid coming out from Fair Oaks dairy (Harbaugh former spokesman)
I don't know, guys. Seems to me this story could have legs.
But it may lack toes.
That's ok, I'm lack-toes intolerant anyway.
Utter nonsense!
on the horns of a dilemma, the video won't play. i'd like to cream anyone that's abusing cows though. i have calf a mind to report the guy.
EDIT: was able to view the video today. some of it is very bad.
To connect fairlife as a company to animal abuse committed by 4-5 workers who were fired immediately is stupid in nature. Dairies most expensive asset is their cows, they do their best to pamper the things.
I'm very close to a family that runs a dairy for fairlife. It upsets me to see the brand get dragged for how much they care for their cows.
Did you watch the fucking video? Maybe you should spend a few weeks at Fair Oaks. Since it's so luxurious.
ive watched the video and spent time at a similar dairy. speaking to the luxury of a farm will always be in relative terms.
I used to live in NW Indiana for a few years (just outside Chicago) and my wife and I went to Fair Oaks a few times. We toured it and even saw the staff help birth a valve. Everything we saw was very nice and was a good family place. The video is atrocious, but I'm not going to condemn the whole place just yet (and family running it) for the actions of a few hired farmhands - assuming of course this is mostly an isolated incident and not a longstanding pattern with other employees.
OT??? This is whey off topic!!!
I generally don’t want to be too uptight about OT or not, but after chewing the cud on this for a while - I agree with you!
Is this truly off topic? Let me ruminate on that and get back to you with a ruling.
Don't watch the video unless you're a sadist or budding psychotic.
This is why ag-gag laws like Iowa's are so farcical: they punish whistleblowers instead of abusers. For every one of these types of videos, there are what, about a million instances of abuse that aren't on video?
It shouldn't take a 3rd party undercover operation to find this kind of thing. The company should care enough about it's own supply to keep an eye on the animals and employees of the suppliers. This was systemic, not just the one incident tied to the low-level worker being arrested.
Fuck Fairlife. Hope JH never comes within a mile of endorsing that company again.
General news writeup here including fraud lawsuit filed:
https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-biz-fairlife-mccloskeys-fraud-lawsuit-20190612-story.html
The workers were fired immediately and the farm is putting up cameras all over their massive farm to ensure this doesnt happen again. The people hired to work on a farm arent exactly ivy league graduates and they also shouldnt need to be watched the whole time. This is an isolated incident, not systemic. Fairlife is actually a really good company.
What’s the CEOs explanation for lack of foresight? ....not trying to be provocative, it’s a reasonable question. Visual monitoring is cheap as well as effective and it’s need should have been anticipated. Nothing personal, but it’s stupid to assume a written policy will be executed.
ATC, the farms are very large and im guessing they have cameras, just not enough, it seems. It's also highly unexpected for workers to do this, considering it is a fireable offense and can be taken to court.
This video is from a Vegan activist group that got at least 2 people hired at the farm. I don't know if it has been confirmed that they were two people perpetrating the abuse but I wouldn't be surprised.
Well yeah, that's the point. They got hired specifically so they could investigate. It's not some scandal that they were hired.
No the point is that they got themselves hired on to commit the abuses and film them. Fair Oaks also has a duty to report clause in their hiring stuff so if they were following the rules they should have reported and the people would have been fired on the spot. So either way they were in the wrong.
This is a disgusting comment. There were abuses all over that facility and other used by Fairlife. There is zero, zero evidence the videographers did anything other than document abuses they saw others perpetrating. The one arrest was not of an undercover workers.
Those ARM workers are heros. Thank them for their service or shut the fuck up, man. You are straight trash.
A hero would stop the abuse in the moment, not film it and have ARM launch a social media blitz to pull in donations.
Have you ever been on a farm, let alone a massive dairy farm like Fair Oaks? The size and scale make all-encompasing surveillance very difficult and costly to implement, nevermind the fact that most farm operators would never see a reason for it in the first place. This is not a day care or school involving guardianship of children - this is still a livestock operation with most of these animals eventually ending up in the food supply.
I am NOT implying that they should be treated inhumanely or that the actions of the employees on the video are acceptable. I was raised on a farm and might not be as outraged as others, but a certain degree of perspective is needed here.
CRG, in 2005 my wife greatly expanded her business on the equine side...predominantly boarding (she’s a veterinarian and specializes in large animal)....at the time, she and her business partner diligently planned layout design etc. ...they looked at me like a deer in headlights when the only feedback I gave was remote monitoring... they eventually did it. In hindsight she admits prudence. I don’t assume men are angels.... but that’s just me. I know this, if we could afford (at that time) Fairlife certainly can and the costs have only gone down since 2005. At any rate.... they certainly will most likely be paying out some serious cash now.
Looks and sounds like this problem is systemic rather than just an isolated incident. An isolated incident would be this happening once. The video shows hundreds, if not thousands, of animals being abused.
MichCali, it's been almost a week since i've watched the video, but the 5 responsible were quickly investigated and fired. This is 5 people being idiots, not a systemic issue allowing animal abuse.
I find it VERY hard to believe there were only 5 people involved in the abuses shown. No managers, supervisors, owners, etc. had ANY idea this was happening? Especially with all the cows showing up dead and other with limbs broken, and raising deformed cows who look like they're in pain so they can sell them for their hides. If that's true, then they are incredibly negligent in how they run their business.
It took animal rights activists to infiltrate this shitty company to expose their bullshit, when all that really was needed were some simple standard practices and an internal auditing system. This company failed big time. This is normal shit that every company needs to do. You don't just turn a blind eye to your workers and hope they do the right thing with 0% oversight.
Also, the owners, general manager, sales guys, etc. had no idea that cows were being sold to veal factories, while they collected the money and (I guess) hid the money they earned thru this sale from the other people in the company? I don't get it. The higher-ups in the company (who claimed they didn't sell to veal farms) were either complete incompetent idiots who didn't know who their customers were, or they were lying about their claims and didn't care who their customers were.
What a complete shit company. It amazes me that idiots like this haven't run their business into the ground. Corrupt pieces of shit, or idiotic nincompoops, or a combination of both.
It was absolutely systemic. Read the article I linked above. The video was a tiny part of a much larger investigation into Fairlife.
Waiting for a 3rd party undercover investigation to blow the lid on your own suppliers is not being a responsible, ethical company. They market themselves as a company that cares about its animals, and it's obvious that is strictly marketing puffery. A company that meant it would already be all over the suppliers to verify the claims they're making to the public.
Never buying their products again. Fuck them. Hope they lose the fraud lawsuit-- I'll be one of the class action participants since I've been buying their milk for years.
You must have not seen the same vid I did. Workers were beating the animals, choking them, whipping them, slamming them into the ground, etc. to the point where the cows were dying and breaking bones.
You comparing this to consenting adults fighting in the UFC is beyond idiotic.
Calm down, Francis
Nah, dude. I'm not about animal abuse. That shit gets me angry.
Could have fooled me. Your avatar is having relations with a goat!
Is this a serious comment? Your response to abuse is that it's nbd? And that consenting adults getting paid to beat the shit out of each other is the same thing as unsuspecting animals being abused? I can understand when people are arguing that the terrible behavior is isolated, but I can't grasp your response.
Or one could watch the video like an adult and look at the whole thing objectively.
Should have recruited Jersey cows instead
Udderly Rutger
Fence the Pasture!
If you think that's bad drive by the beef farm for In-N-Out on I-5. This is nothing.
Name checks out.
Also, that is the worst-smelling farm i have ever driven past. Used to do that drive 4x a year. Terrible stench.
Worst of all is what Shrute does on his beet farm. Unspeakable horrors, far worse than your worst nightmare.
I know exactly which one you're talking about, on the east side of I-5. Driven past many times on the way from the Bay Area to LA and back. Those animals live and die never seeing a single blade of grass and spend every day walking and sleeping in their own shit. It's unbelievable any food product comes from that source and gets sold to the public as safe.
Would behoof you to not post this kind of stuff
SOME of this stuff is wrong, yes. But most of it is exaggerated for a story. A lot of the clips can be collapsed down into a few longer ones. When milking thousands per day; yes, you will have some that slip and struggle to get up. The majority of these cows, and others on similar style farms, are not being grossly mistreated.
And I love cows! Worked on dairy farms for several years of my life until it was time to go to college. Waiting for the day I can comfortably retire and go back.
How is the video, that we can see with our own eyes, "exaggerated for a story"? I don't think you saw the same vid that I did.
You mean the video where they take the same clips and show them multiple times trying to make it seem like the entire company gets off on beating cows? You sure seem quick to condemn the entire company for the actions of a few. Are you still a UM fan after the wrist slap Gibbons and Lewan got for abusing humans?
lol, yikes
You should watch the videos from Kansas stock yards and meat processing plants. They're much worse and it is how your cow friends end up as steaks, brisket and burgers for everyone.