BursleyBaitsBus

February 2nd, 2017 at 10:04 PM ^

So I started reading that article... and it just wouldn't end. Like holy shit. The list just kept going.

 

And whaddya know another "god-fearing" coach being an under the table scumbag. In Briles' case, it seems like he was just a scumbag along with Ken Starr (Mr. morality himself LOL) and the rest of em. 

 

Got damn. 

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Mr Miggle

February 2nd, 2017 at 10:20 PM ^

It was the Waco PD. Note he hoped they were involved instead of Baylor's student affairs. Ken Starr wasn't much better either. Unanswered is how much the assistant coaches knew. Their campaign on his behalf during the season was unseemly, looks even worse now.

 

Side note - ESPN is capable of doing some good reporting.

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ESNY

February 2nd, 2017 at 9:35 PM ^

burn in hell Art Briles you despicable fuck. Hope every athlete, regent and booster that was so public in supporting him and asking for him to be exonerated makes a public apology. I'm not holding my breath though.

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L'Carpetron Do…

February 3rd, 2017 at 11:02 AM ^

This is a little out there but- what if teams refused to play them? I mean every program has its scandals and no team is completely clean but this was systemic and went all the way to the top.  This case seems like grounds for the death penalty if there ever was one.

This should be unacceptable. It would be amazing to see Baylor's conference or frequent opponents refuese to play them - even if it was for just two seasons or something like that. It would send a serious message to the university.  They probably won't pay attention until they start losing some of that sweet game-day revenue.

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Amaizing Blue

February 2nd, 2017 at 9:53 PM ^

When bad people are in charge and millions of dollars are at stake, this is what happens.  No wonder Art dropped the libel suit.  Really, how did he think this would end?  If this was Michigan, I would be picketing in the streets for the death penalty.  Crying while I did it, but doing it.  Disgusting.  

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stephenrjking

February 2nd, 2017 at 11:15 PM ^

 

When bad people are in charge and millions of dollars are at stake, this is what happens.

 

This notion is understandable, but dangerous. I'll tell you why:

People who have not been in the position to report crimes that they hear about, or discipline people they care about for committing those crimes, do not understand that people who believe themselves to be good and believe themselves to have good motives can make bad choices.

But it happens a lot. And it's dangerous, because the believe that you, as a good person, are incapable of making such a bad choice, makes it more likely for you to overlook or ignore something. 

Reporting sexual abuse is a hard thing to do. It's necessary, but the situations one might find oneself in in which that could occur are difficult and sticky. It's very easy to avoid looking too closely, so as to save oneself the trouble (and it is a lot of trouble). And it is easy to justify it by believing that you're a good person who wouldn't do something bad.

It's not an excuse to suggest that some of the people who allowed this to continue at Baylor were well-meaning people. Even if so, they are still morally and legally culpable. It is, instead, a warning.

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WestQuad

February 3rd, 2017 at 12:58 PM ^

There is a difference between a one-time failure to act and a conspiracy. When the red headed dude from Penn State came across Sandusky he wimped out, but you could make a case for shock. If it happened 30+ times he would have been a bad person and an accomplice. Briles should be in jail and/or banned from football. NCAA has the information and should give Baylor the death penalty so this doesn't happen again. 30+ times. Would have been 2 or 3 if Briles was a decent human being.

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bacon

February 2nd, 2017 at 9:57 PM ^

To me this is death penalty shit. The documents are clear that the coaches and administrators including the university president were complicit in breaking rules and covering up crimes. For what? It's not like football is central to the academic mission of the school. Yet, they risk students lives and safety. This cannot be allowed to just skirt by. The NCAA should send the message that these people should not be allowed to have a football team anymore and anyone who prioritizes wins on the field over students has no business being involved with the university.

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MGoUberBlue

February 2nd, 2017 at 10:01 PM ^

The holier than everyone special prosecutor chasing former President Clinton for having sex and misrepresenting facts, which eventually led to his impeachment.

But WTF, Baylor President Starr, how can you possibly justify your prior actions with those that occurred at the Baptist Baylor University under your watch?  Something really stinks here.

What an incredible two-faced hypocrite.

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turtleboy

February 2nd, 2017 at 10:16 PM ^

The read is not for the faint of heart, or thin of skin. I'm personally going to refrain from comment as to what I think Briles punishment should be, as it would likely get me banned from Mgoblog. Needless to say reading this is rather upsetting, but still important to know.

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Mr Miggle

February 2nd, 2017 at 11:53 PM ^

Does the Big 12 just ignore this? Part of the impetus for the NCAA  acting against Penn State was the Big Ten.

There was a strong sentiment for tossing them out. I'm convinced it would have happened if Penn State contested the charges. (Remember that was done by Paterno zealots, not the school.) If the NCAA had not acted, either Penn State would have had to self-impose strong penalties or they would have gotten the boot.

To date, Baylor has done nothing except replace a few employees. They show no signs of doing anything either. They've been sitting on all of this information all along. Of course they have more. 

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UMgradMSUdad

February 2nd, 2017 at 11:03 PM ^

A lot more heads should, and should have, rolled at Baylor.  The entire football coaching staff (aside from Briles) was retained.  The Baylor board of regents has a lot of explaining to do as to why so few people were fired.  And Jim Grobe is an opportunistic ignoramus.  I was appalled at his lack of curiosiy about what transpired before he got there.  He took the money, didn't ask questions, and just tried to play the choir boy while retaing the entire coaching staff.

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stephenrjking

February 2nd, 2017 at 11:09 PM ^

The NCAA messed up the PSU sanctions. They're gunshy here. And understandably so, given how hard it is to mess up the PSU situation in a way that actually makes PSU the mistreated party--that takes work.

Nonetheless, they need to have authority to levy serious sanctions in these cases. Here's why:

Decisions by Baylor authorities, including Briles and the AD (if these documents are true), were made to conceal, overlook, and otherwise avoid addressing serious criminal conduct in order to protect the on-field activities of the football program.

They are committing, at best, grievously immoral acts, and at worst, seriously criminal acts, to succeed at football.

There must be football consequences for this. Programs must know that if they conceal crimes for athletic gains there will be athletic consequences. There must be no question winning could be an outcome of behaving in this way. A coach who, when confronted by possible criminal activity by a player, must know that if he considers the possible on-field consequences of disciplining the player, there will be on-field consequences for not discplining the player.

Aside: Cut the insults against the denomination, guys. These are important issues. You're being offensive and you'll get the thread nuked, which would be a disservice to everyone.

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You Only Live Twice

February 2nd, 2017 at 11:22 PM ^

Starting to wonder how deep the culture is ingrained.

Many years ago... mid 1990s.... someone I know, landed a dream job within the Baylor health system.  This person moved from Michigan to Texas for the job.  However, things went sour when the person's supervisor turned out to be a harassing, vile, out of control asshole.  He was an equal opportunity asshole - he harassed subordinates of both genders.  People would complain, but nothing was ever done.  The harasser was deemed to be untouchable due to his particular skill set and education.  So, what happened was that staff turned over with regularity. People would transfer to other departments, or leave for other jobs.  

The person I know, quit Baylor and was so affected by the experience, it negatively impacted the rest of their adult career.  This is what happens in the unfair world we live in.  This is why there should always be a giant spotlight shined on wrongdoing.

With no repercussions, evil will always flourish.

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jmdblue

February 2nd, 2017 at 11:34 PM ^

Seems pretty clear there is no amount of evidence that will change already committed minds... Baylor, PSU, far more powerful entities... I guess they're all just victims of corrupt and lying media and regulatory systems.  Fuck it.

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