OT: Adreian Payne cut by Orlando Magic

Submitted by turtleboy on

I wouldn't say it comes anywhere close to justice served, but good on the Orlando Magic, in any case.

https://sports.yahoo.com/report-magic-cut-adreian-payne-name-surfaces-m…

On a personal note I really hope the MSU scandal leads to more oppenness and investigations of schools nationwide, or at least serious legal consequences for failure to report, as I'm sure Payne isn't the only professional athlete to have gotten away with a serious crime. Some organization, NCAA, government, whoever, needs make an example here that makes schools like Baylor, Penn State, ND, Tennessee, and countless others take criminal accusaitions very very seriously, and think twice about sweeping criminal violence under the rug, as it obviously leads to things getting much much worse than simply dealing with it appropriately.

 

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Occam's Razor

January 27th, 2018 at 2:37 PM ^

I know the kangaroo court analogy is mostly used when guys are falsely accused and then expelled from university for no reason due to the "preponderance of evidence" bar set by Title IX, but this whole MSU situation should also shed light on why the current system of schools handling sexual assault allegations just does not work for either situation. 

These schools are not equipped to handle this shit and a lot of the times they just end up covering for athletes. 

Something needs to be tweaked with Title IX to force schools to turn these investigations into the authorities right off the bat. (Hopefully ones that aren't on school payroll) 

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East German Judge

January 27th, 2018 at 3:22 PM ^

You bring up excellent points.  If an alleged sexual assualt happens "off-campus", then the city/local law enforcement will do the investigation - something they are (hopefully) fully trained to handle.  But, why is it if it happens on a college campus, the campus police are the ones doing the investigation???  If the campus police squash the investigation thanks to assistance from an athletic department, than all their fans scream innocent as no one was convicted of said crime.

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Muttley

January 27th, 2018 at 5:05 PM ^

of the most powerful university actors likely dictate the outcome.

If you are an ordinary Muggle student, and get falsely accused, even with exculpatory evidence such as e-mails in which the accuser acknowledges initiation, then good luck with the typical Kangaroo Court described by Harvard Law professors as

Harvard has adopted procedures for deciding cases of alleged sexual misconduct which lack the most basic elements of fairness and due process, are overwhelmingly stacked against the accused, and are in no way required by Title IX law or regulation. Here our concerns include but are not limited to the following: ■ The absence of any adequate opportunity to discover the facts charged and to confront witnesses and present a defense at an adversary hearing. ■ The lodging of the functions of investigation, prosecution, fact-finding, and appellate review in one office, and the fact that that office is itself a Title IX compliance office rather than an entity that could be considered structurally impartial. ■ The failure to ensure adequate representation for the accused, particularly for students unable to afford representation. Harvard has inappropriately expanded the scope of forbidden conduct, including by: ■ Adopting a definition of sexual harassment that goes significantly beyond Title IX and Title VII law. ■ Adopting rules governing sexual conduct between students both of whom are impaired or incapacitated, rules which are starkly one-sided as between complainants and respondents, and entirely inadequate to address the complex issues in these unfortunate situations involving extreme use and abuse of alcohol and drugs by our students. http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/10/14/rethink-harvard-sexual-harassment-policy/HFDDiZN7nU2UwuUuWMnqbM/story.html
If, on the other hand, you are an influential athlete contributing to athletic department revenues that potentially reach into the hundreds of millions of dollars, then you're fine, as you've followed the all-important Rule #1 of "The Jock's Guide To Getting Arrested"* "(can't find link, as best as memory serves) Rule #1: Don't Suck (at your sport). If you do (suck), you'll find yourself as fodder for the "no tolerance" policy. On the other hand, if you're a valuable contributor who's presence will be missed, expect to hear phrases such as "mistakes were made, he's learned from it" issued by your organization."

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Woodstock Wolverine

January 27th, 2018 at 2:36 PM ^

Jail time needs to be served. This whole keeping things internal stuff has to stop. I’m sure many other programs do it but it has to stop. Can’t imagine how helpless the victims must feel. MSU may need to be made an example of. Tear it down and start over.

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Go Blue in MN

January 27th, 2018 at 2:37 PM ^

Unless I missed something, we don't know any more about Payne than we did before, it's just come back into the limelight with the recent disclosures.  So the Magic were just fine with Payne before the rape allegations came back into the public eye.  Now they're not.  It's all PR. 

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Streetchemist

January 27th, 2018 at 2:58 PM ^

Yup. Thanks to the BTN/ESPNs constant reporting on his relationship with the little girl with cancer, this very well known situation he was involved in got brushed away to the side. He got picked 15th IN THE FIRST ROUND all with this being public knowledge. Any team that employed him whatsoever deserves ridicule, not praise.

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Rico

January 27th, 2018 at 3:50 PM ^

of the players was still officially redacted (by the university police/MSU's doing, but the names should have been available to the public) at the time of the draft but it was a basically confirmed rumor it was Payne and Appling since 2010. The successful ESPN/media FOIA lawsuit is what unredacted their names this past year. So it was "known" he had the rape accusation, but he wasn't officially confirmed as one of the players. Still a bad look though and should have given teams some red flags with him.

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Muttley

January 27th, 2018 at 5:40 PM ^

of "The Jock's Guide To Getting Arrested"  (written in 2010 by Matt Taibbi, can't find remaining link)

Rule #1 (as memory serves) Don't Suck.  If you are a valuable member who's athletic  presence will be missed, expect statements to be issued by your organization such as "Mistakes were made; he's learned from it:.  If, however, your general manager can easily find a comparable player from the ranks of the practice squads, then you'll find yourself released as an example of the team's "no tolerance policy".

Payne played in only five games this year and averaged 4.2 PPG in those appearances; this was clearly an application of the latter.

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FauxMo

January 27th, 2018 at 2:40 PM ^

I know this isn't directly related to Payne, and I don't think it deserves it's own thread, but... If there are people on this board going over to RCMB and other MSU message boards and trolling and turning this into a "gotcha" moment for the sake of sports fandom, please stop it. I am going over there to get updates on what going on, as they are quicker with new information (for obvious reasons), and the UM trolls over there are making our entire UM family look like assholes. This is not about sports fandom; it's much bigger than that. 

OK, rant-that-will-fall-completely-on-deaf-ears over... 

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FauxMo

January 27th, 2018 at 3:14 PM ^

Well, I am not saying they don't deserve it. It just looks bad coming from obvious UM trolls. 

This has been so predictable as to be laughable. Nasser getting hammered and the gymnastics program under the microscope? MSU partisans are fully on board, full of empathy and love for the victims and outrage. Football and basketball coaches get drawn into it? This is all a witchhunt by ESPN, the mob is after them, etc. Funny how quick that all changed, eh? 

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S.D. Jones

January 27th, 2018 at 3:43 PM ^

Trolling and gloating about the various MSU horrors is bad, I agree. But damn, the denizens of RCMB have turned that place into hell's waiting room. A brief sampling of front-page threads over there:

  • Post here if you are boycotting E$PN
  • Hit piece on MSU football and basketball on OTL
  • ESPN:Vigilante Justice and Collateral Damage (long rant)
  • Why are we allowing this to happen? [Note: "this" being ESPN dragging MSU though the mud without rebuttal, not the various coverups.]
  • MSU should be suing ESPN

There are a few reasonable posters here and there, but they're basically ignored. The rest have created an unprecedented cauldron of hubris, stupidity, f-bombs, moral equivalence and bad spelling.

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DOBlue48

January 27th, 2018 at 3:25 PM ^

Good point Faux. 

I have been wandering over there to just get a feel for the general feeling of those who care about MSU.  I don't have an account there. 

I will say it has been fascinating over the last several days how signifacantly the tone has changed.  It has gone from generally showing appropriate disgust and symapthy for what occurred there and a realization that big changes had to happen before the ESPN expose, to an overall feel of F... this, our prized coaches are gods and can do no wrong.  The world is against us, UM is funding the ESPN accusations (that was an actual thread started).

So many there talk big about real change until that change might include Izzo and Dantonio.  Then they are right back to circling the wagons which, to me, is very sad.  I have no interest in a witch hunt.  Just want justice done EVERYWHERE it is appropriate. 

 

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Ezeh-E

January 27th, 2018 at 6:45 PM ^

During the worst of moments (read: losses for UM), I avoid mgoblog and take a week off. The emotional outweighs the rational, at least in terms of who posts. The negative outweighs all else. I don't feel like reading a bunch of frustration and whining. I only read bronxblue's diary and go to touch-the-banner to get a more level post-mortum.

I can see why the MSU fans who are disgusted with their institution's handling of the situation would stay of RCMB for the near future. You can't outargue a troll or someone emotionally overinvested to the point of putting institution over individuals' health and wellness, so you stay away.

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bronxblue

January 27th, 2018 at 3:33 PM ^

Yeah, this is not a situation where people should be giddy about a rival being in trouble.  There were hundreds of young women sexually assaulted and their complaints were largely ignored by the school and the Olympic apparatus in this country, leading to even more young women to be victims.  I don't like MSU much on the gridiron or basketball court and find both of their coaches to be hypocritical assholes, but this goes beyond rivalries.

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