OT: 12 Things You Should Know About Ken Starr's Baylor Rape Scandal (a good synopsis)

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I know this has been addressed ad nauseam, but I thought this was a very good overview with breath and depth that I've not read before while being easy to read and concise.  

 

With the lingering domestic issues on many campuses I thought it still worthwhile to post.

 

http://blogs.alternet.org/education/12-things-you-should-know-about-ken…

DealerCamel

June 4th, 2016 at 10:59 AM ^

I was out of the loop for a bit there, and when I got back, Armageddon had apparently hit Baylor and I had no clue why. The guys on Reddit didn't want to explain to me what had happened.

maracle

June 4th, 2016 at 11:11 AM ^

Wow, me too. I didn't realize they let one player rape 6 women without doing anything. Now I get why Brian is putting this in the same general category as Penn State.



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Gameboy

June 4th, 2016 at 11:29 AM ^

What I find interesting is that Baylor fans are acting exactly like Penn St fans. I checked out few of their boards and majority are upset that Briles is gone. They all blame the administrators and argue that Briles did what he was supposed to do (refer to administration), how great a guy he is and point to other players who turned out fine.

There is lack of sympathy for the victims (there is a lot of slutshaming), and most believe that Briles is the true victim in this situation.

There are also posts discussing why Baylor should bother firing Briles since they are going to get bad press either way. At least keeping Briles, they would have a good football team.

I am thinking this is the normal response by all football fans and not just PSU.

This makes me incredibly sad...

Gameboy

June 4th, 2016 at 12:26 PM ^

Pretty much. But from the opposite side. They talk about how the report is nothing but allegations with no details and no proven facts. They don't think the university should do anything until the full report is published. But that is never going to happen since this is a private university.

I Like Burgers

June 4th, 2016 at 1:29 PM ^

It really shouldn't be that surprising anymore.  I think this is pretty much the norm and expected reaction for pretty much all of the power program fan bases.  The Solid Verbal podcast had a good bit on it, where you have all of these fervent CFB fan bases that love and outright worship their team and head coach WAY more than any other sport.  Its not even close.  Every fan base (ours included) has a "my coach is clean and doing things THE RIGHT WAY, but every other coach is a dick and cheating" mentality.

I mean, just take the reaction of Michigan's fan base to the satellite camp outcry.  It ain't a whole lot different.  Completely different subject matters, but the general reaction is the same -- our guy just loves the game and football, and all of these other guys are cheaters and lazy and jerks and their the real bad guys here.  

And I could 100% guarantee if Harbaugh, or any highly successful Michigan coach were accussed of doing something very wrong you'd have the same subset of fans like PSU or Baylor does out there defending the actions and blaming it on someone else.

Its shitty, but that's the ugly reality of college football right now.

Gameboy

June 4th, 2016 at 2:16 PM ^

I finally came to the same conclusion.

I always thought if something like this happened at Michigan, we would handle it "the right way". I don't believe that any more. And I disagree that it will be a subset, the majority will circle the wagon.

The tribal mentality built in to our instinct over millions of years is a hard thing to overcome. To think that you are above it all is delusional.

Yeoman

June 4th, 2016 at 5:18 PM ^

I spent some time on OurDailyBears yesterday and read a pretty long thread largely consisting of people wondering why none of the Regents had fallen on their swords along with Starr and Briles and the rest. Also a lot of people arguing, with reasonable points on both sides, about whether the full report should be released (though it's not clear that it even exists in any formal sense). There's been very little there of what you describe, especially since the PH findings of fact came out.

 

bcoaker

June 4th, 2016 at 5:24 PM ^

UM season ticket holder and Baylor alum. Am embarrased with how the university has handled this from start to finish. I think I speak for most alums when I say that we want those responsible held accountable, regardless of position. Believe this is reflected in the demand to have the entire report released by the Alumni Association. https://btl.bayloralumniassociation.com/06/02/2016/full-transparency-by…

Naked Bootlegger

June 4th, 2016 at 11:17 AM ^

I almost vomited after reading the line about a Baylor official telling a sexual assualt victim to "hope for the best" when her restraining order request was not considered by the university.  

Goggles Paisano

June 4th, 2016 at 11:49 AM ^

Oh boy - this is really bad.  Ken Starr is a first class douche cannon. When the full report comes out, I think the uproar against Baylor will greatly intensify as it did Ray Rice when the video came out.  

Fishbulb

June 4th, 2016 at 11:51 AM ^

I don't know why people/institutions don't get that the cover-up does you in. Yes, the crimes are heinous, but they are committed by individuals while the cover-up is institutional.



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WFBlue

June 4th, 2016 at 11:59 AM ^

This kind of evil shit can happen anywhere, but it's the response by those in charge, by those entrusted to look out for the students, that really makes the difference.  In that regard, Baylor failed miserably. 

borninAnnArbor

June 4th, 2016 at 12:09 PM ^

I have never had this happen to someone I was close to, but I am a dad. I could see some father, brother, uncle or someone close to the victim tire of the lack of legal justice and decide on vigilante justice instead. I hope that is not what it takes to make universities take this severe problem seriously.

UMgradMSUdad

June 5th, 2016 at 2:01 AM ^

He may well be an excellent hire.  Time will tell.  I thought his press conference on Friday was a disaster, but of course almost nobody saw or will ever see it.  Even the few news stories about it seemed to go mostly unnoticed.  Friday was a good choice for the timing.  

His prepared, opening statement was fine and hit all the right notes, but his answers to questions afterwards left a lot to be desired, at least for anybody concerned about the rapes and sexual assaults.  I know he is the football coach, and in normal circumstances the football team, in isolation from the rest of the university, should be the primary focus, but these are not normal circumstances for Baylor. To me his expressed concern about retaining continuity for the sake of the players fell flat.  I hope he has a better and more detailed answer as to why the entire coaching staff will be retained as well.  

MFanWM

June 4th, 2016 at 12:25 PM ^

It would seem that not only should many of the officials be fired, but criminial charges should be pursued for any that impeded investigations.

Njia

June 4th, 2016 at 12:47 PM ^

Ken Starr is a world class turd. There is no excuse for his actions (or inaction, as the case may be). This article, though, is a model for poorly written hit pieces. I had a hard time understanding how the supporting sentences under each of the 12 main points related to the case the author was trying to make. It could have been much better written. Case in point: the accusation that profits were a motive for hiding what was happening. The author notes that Baylor "raked in" more than $100M in revenue, but then did not tie the profit motive to anyone's actions in the next few sentences before moving on to the next point (which was just as bad). Michael Rosenberg would be so proud.

SysMark

June 4th, 2016 at 12:48 PM ^

Shut them down.  You can also argue there should be criminal charges against Starr (what a freaking hypocrite), Briles, and more of that administration.

UNCWolverine

June 4th, 2016 at 12:53 PM ^

This was (unfortunately) a good read. Just too many things to comment on. The one player raping 6 is obviously absurd. But I also am dumbfounded that Starr just said those things about Briles as recent as Wednesday. What. In. The. Fuck?

I hope every girl that was raped/assaulted that has not come forward now feels empowered to come forward. And I hope they sue the crap out of every piece of this trashy tale and are awarded a lot of $$$. Maybe Baylor can find a few dollars from their recent stadium fundraisers to settle the lawsuits, that would be ironic.

McSomething

June 4th, 2016 at 12:52 PM ^

It's difficult to put into words the depths of how truly awful the whole thing is. Yes, Penn State does seem to be an apt description. Both from how complicit the administration on down all is, and how the fans are claiming the football program and its coach are the true viticms in all this.

4godkingandwol…

June 4th, 2016 at 1:01 PM ^

... this interview should really make people angry. Fuck him and Merrie Speith. Pieces of shit.

 

I'm an athiest, but times like this, I really hope I'm wrong, so these scum can rot in an eternal hell.  

 

 

WestQuad

June 5th, 2016 at 11:06 AM ^

How does a former high-level prosecuter not know how to answer that question "right" the first time?!  Granted, he is a scum bag who has covered up rape in favor of football, but you would at least think he had the chops to do an interview. 

 

Here's the thing I don't get about Baylor and Tennessee.  You would think that these programs would have Sexual Assault Prvention and Awareness* courses for their players and would want to make an example of players who commit sexual assualt.   Part of the mission of these coaches is to create upstanding men.  Even if you lose one or two good players, you end up with a positive atmosphere with quality people.    I don't get the motivation for covering up.  You won't get sanctioned for taking the appropriate actions and people will respect you.  Are these guys actually for rape?  It doesn't make sense.

 

*Does SAPAC still exist at Michigan?

Yeoman

June 5th, 2016 at 2:29 PM ^

They're against extramarital sex. These women were by their own admission sexually active, they aren't married, and if the boys they hang out with can't control themselves, who's fault is that?

I suppose it's easy to forget that we still have people around that think like this, and I can see how it might be hard to believe that a group of them is in charge of a major university and controls the university's system for dealing with sexual assault complaints. But we do, and they are.

Never mind sex--we're talking about a campus where just a couple of decades ago dancing was a major code-of-conduct violation.

UMgradMSUdad

June 5th, 2016 at 3:32 PM ^

Also, these women were probably drinking and listening to sinful music, and that pretty much proves they were asking for it.  Jesus never drank alcoholic beverages ( the bible translators all got it wrong when they used the word wine; others might have been drinking wine, but Jesus was drinking unfermented grape juice!)

Its me Dave

June 4th, 2016 at 7:12 PM ^

The way Starr's crisis manager called for do-overs, and just seemed to take for granted the original answers would be edited out gave me pause.  How many news outlets would simply re-edit the final interview, leaving out the "practice answers", just to maintain access to celebs and newsmakers?  (The answer is probably: lots)

superstringer

June 4th, 2016 at 1:20 PM ^

eh, this piece is a bit of a poorly-edited hack job. One of the 12 points is "football makes a lot of money." Gee great insightful reporting there. There is very very little in this piece connecting anything to Starr. Its like, this went on, he wad there. Ok...? Now I am not defending him; the Board found enough reason to remove him so I am good with laying the blame on him. But this piece does NOT make that case. This just sounds like someone who already didnt like Starr and wants to wag a finger.



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Yeoman

June 4th, 2016 at 5:31 PM ^

Because they, like a lot of the press, are condensing the story.

On the one hand there's the school's general response to sexual assault complaints, regardless of who the complaints were against. Starr's fully culpable there and it wouldn't be hard to make the case, though it's hard to make the case that money was the motivator. I think the ultimate cause was the (to me bizarre) set of opinions these clowns have about sex and rape, and about real human relationships in a community of 20-year-olds. The students themselves know better and they've been asking for change for a while now.

And then there's the story they're actually interested in, centered on Briles and the football program. There's not much if anything to directly tie Starr to the football program's "investigations" or their police-department contacts or their thoroughly inappropriate communications with victims and their families...except that it's a lot less likely they could have gotten away with it all for so long at a school that actually cared about the victims.

(Where by "school" I mean administrators and regents.)