Offensive Playcalling & Personnel

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I know Harbaugh is our beloved coach and this doesn't mean that I'm not overjoyed to have him.  Complaining about offensive playcalling after a 10-2 regular season and a double overtime loss is a heck of a lot better than complaining about playcalling after a 5-7 season and a drubbing by OSU.  He changed our culture and the trajectory of our program. I don't even know if he's the one making these decisions or if it's Drevno or Fisch.  It's just that we were sooo close to having an undefeated regular season and a playoff berth and it's a hard pill to swallow believing we could have done more.  All that aside, is it possible to have some criticism about our offensive playcalling, while still having confidence in our coaches?

 

Can anyone explain why we don't use Peppers in more creative ways at RB or WR and at the very least as a decoy to open up space for other players?  Can anyone understand why we don't get more speed on the field at the same time?  Why not put in Evans, Chesson, McDoom, and Peppers on the field at the same time and run some sweeps, passes to the RB, fake throws one way and then back the other way, etc?  Why didn't McDoom see the field yesterday?  Why does Smith get so many carries and Evans so few?  I can't imagine they are just giving him the ball because they like him.  They must believe he's the better player.  I know Smith is a workhorse, is good in pass pro, and rarely fumbles, but he also rarely hits big runs.  It just seemed like it was so hard for us to break big plays because we had no guys that had a ton of speed that could do so.  I don't get that.  Granted, much of this will solve itself as Evans and McDoom will likely be starters next year as Darboh and Smith graduate, but I don't see the logic.  We need more playmakers on the field, not just reliable guys.  

 

Edit: I'm also a little surprised they didn't give Mone and Gary a few more snaps.  I though Mone was a beast in his few snaps and I'm surprised by the fairly few number of snaps Gary got over the course of the season for a consus #1.  The defense seemed to tire towards the end of the game, so it seemed to make sense to play those two a litlte more, particularly in the second half of the 3rd quarter and the first half of the 4th quarter.

Alumnus93

November 27th, 2016 at 5:42 PM ^

My only two playing annoyances are within our 5 yard line... The riskiness cost us two games. And using Peppers running upiddle, is silly, with two rbs in backfield with him. All it does is isolate where the ball is. Instead use a heavy TE package and have him run wide with option to throw...

Esterhaus

November 27th, 2016 at 5:46 PM ^

Seemed like a wasted play each time, exception when he decoyed. And this was true throughout the season. I've never understood how the O scheme utilized Peppers and failed to adjust this over time.

That's my only real complaint for O play calling. Grant Perry had some key grabs this season partly because opponents' defenses focused on Butt. Darboh and Chesson experienced slumps, at times dropping catchable passes, although Speight did throw behind or ahead of them a bit too often. The O line was error prone and failed to pick up blitzers when the enemy concealed the blitz. Smith was an effective blocker compared with the other RBs, which is not a good situation.

The coaches had to work with all these quirks and more. I'm not going to second guess them with the outlier being Peppers. Next team we play is beyond our control, unless somebody here is a voodoo guru; on the whole, I've enjoyed the heck out of this season - the community vibe reminds me of the 80's under Bo.

There are national championships in our proximate future and the games inbetween will be fun to watch - our team will always be in the competition for #1. It's painful to recall how we played football beginning late in Carr's time until Jimmy was hired.

umichshea

November 27th, 2016 at 6:36 PM ^

Absolutely nothing to base "national championships in our future on" other than pure blind faith. Harbaugh is one game better than Hoke his first two years with one less win against OSU. Harbaugh's championships elsewhere? No...those don't exist either.

Good coach...happy to have him.

Hyperbole is stupid.



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Esterhaus

November 27th, 2016 at 7:07 PM ^

 

Jimmy is a proven resurrectionist and recruiter. He's surrounded himself by proven winners like Don Brown. Urban Meyer never led a team to the NFL championship game. We have experienced two set backs shy of national contention in only the coach's second year at the helm. We can expect multiple opportunities at the national CF championship in the years to come, and that's what the data trends show.

It's okay to be disappointed and even more okay not to accept losing to Iowa and OSU. Me too. We are ranked top five AP - admit you anticipated that performance under RR and BH and also what result obtained. Next.

mgowill

November 27th, 2016 at 8:17 PM ^

I think people forget what Harbaugh does for programs.

He took San Diego to consecutive 11-1 seasons.

He took a 1 win stanford team from the dust to a 12-1 Orange Bowl winner.

He took a 6-10 49ers team to 13-3 and an NFC Championship Game his first year there..

He then proceeded to lead the 49ers to a Super Bowl and another NFC Championship Game in subsequent years.

The year after he left SF they went 5-11.

SF is 1-10 this year.  Just let that settle in for a moment.  Harbaugh took over a 5-7 Michigan team and went 10-3 his first year.  He took this year's team to the brink of a Big 10 title game and potential CFP game.  The same 5-7 team just rode Ohio State's loaded roster to the end of the Earth in Columbus.  I think some folks are losing perspective for not only how lucky we are, but how much brighter the future is.

 

 

MGoStrength

November 27th, 2016 at 7:15 PM ^

Hoke did a great job in his first year, but let's be real.  The only reason he beat OSU was because Tressel and Pryor unexpectedly left.  Even still, he barely escaped beating OSU at home.  I'll give him credit in that he played them close the next two years before getting blown out in year 4.  But, without an interim head coach he's 0-4 vs OSU.  

 

Harbaugh may very well go 0-3 vs OSU, but 2 consecutive 10 win seaons and a bowl victory is already more than Hoke did.  I don't see a NC in our next few years, but I'd bet Harbaugh gets at least 8 wins next year and 10 or more again in year 4.  To win 8-10 games every year for your fist 4 years is pretty impressive.  It's not easy to win NCs, but you'd have to assume he'll be in the mix at some point in the next 5-10 years if he remains at UM.

Esterhaus

November 27th, 2016 at 7:36 PM ^

 

For this regular year was 8-4 or 9-3. We topped that and are currently in playoff conversation still. We have just lost to an ugly team by one score after two overtimes and with hostile tribunal. The only other loss was by a point. We defeated Colorado, Penn State and Whiskey - each of them top ten and clustering forward. We beat MSU.

Seriously, we are on track. And there will be bitter fruit in our future. Nobody has it better than us - would a Michigan alumnus actually want a Saban, Meyer or Miles to tarnish their degrees? I'll take Jimmy over those "characters" always because I hold those degrees and I don't bet on college sports. Those who do not have a Michigan degree they trade on and/or who are mostly interested in the gambling money can have your perspective, we have ours.

jmblue

November 27th, 2016 at 8:04 PM ^

Whoa, I don't remember too many 8-4 or 9-3 predictions this season.  Last season, yes (along with 6-6 and 7-5).  

This year most expected us to make a run at the playoff.   Some predicted even better than 10-2 but the thing is, the margin between 10-2, 11-1 and 12-0 is often tiny, coming down to flukes. So I'd say we exceeded expectations in 2015 and met them in '16.

Michigan4Life

November 27th, 2016 at 8:10 PM ^

I don't see anyone saying 8-4 or 9-3 before the season started. It was more along the line with 10-11 win season because the schedule is a joke. I consider this season a disappointment because Michigan shouldn't have two losses and I expected Michigan/OSU game a toss up which it is. I expected Michigan to roll through without a problem.

Next year is going to be a lot tougher because they pretty much lose everybody from this season.

Carcajou

November 27th, 2016 at 10:38 PM ^

The future is bright, but it is not a straight line to a championship.

From what I recall, the consensus around here was for an 11 or 12 win regular season, and probably CFP bid, facing Alabama in the final.

I was more modest, cautiously thinking 9-3 regular season was what could reasonably be expected, thinking one, probably two losses to MSU, IA, OSU and maybe lose an upset along the way. barring major injury problems. The upset this year turned out to be Iowa.

Michigan had a really good year, but not quite national championship football calibre yet. Next year, we'll face what OSU faced this year- replacing a lot of talent with younger guys.  Depth and inexperience may well be a problem, starting with the opener. Fortunately the home schedule next year is favorable as far as MSU and OSU goes, but by no means easier- at least three tough games on the road (Florida, MSU, Wisconsin).



 

mgowill

November 27th, 2016 at 7:22 PM ^

For someone who despises hyperbole you sure do enjoy spewing it.

Hoke: 19-7 first two years

Harbaugh: 20-5 first two years

Harbaugh still has a bowl game to play at minimum, so maybe you're already counting that as a loss?

As for Hoke beating OSU, that was the saddest most pathetic OSU team in the last 15 years led by Luke Fickell and Joe Bauserman. It was really sad that Michigan didn't crush that team into dust. 40-34 against an awful OSU team.

I'm thinking you're a troll.



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abertain

November 27th, 2016 at 5:46 PM ^

For most of the year, particularly mid-season, it was very creative. Speight threw some picks in the OSU game and missed a bunch of deep throws against Iowa. The game plan made sense, quick throws against a defensive line that could put pressure on M. However, look at the play that Samuel made to get OSU to fourth and 1. It's the type of play that a RB Peppers or RB Evans can also make and Michigan didn't really put them in that position often enough. It's not crazy to say that some of the double passes and jet sweeps might have been better utilized in the big game.

 

I think Michigan was at their best when they were stretching the field horizontally and vertically. At times, especially at the goal line, I think Michigan would benefit from using a shotgun formation and letting Speight read the field and throw. Sometimes the play action fake was resulting in a blitzing linebacker in Speight's face right away. Using a shotgun passing set alleviates that a bit as Speight doesn't have to turn his back from the defense. in the end, these are minor tweaks to a good offense. I thought it was great until the last three games of the year. Harbaugh and his staff know a shi- ton about football, and I'm glad they are coaches at Michigan. I trust or hope that they will reflect on some minor tweaks to play calling that could hlep them break open games like yesterday. That said, hit deep throws at Iowa or don't get the damn ball picked off, and we'd all be a hell of a lot happier. 

snarling wolverine

November 27th, 2016 at 8:08 PM ^

However, look at the play that Samuel made to get OSU to fourth and 1. It's the type of play that a RB Peppers or RB Evans can also make and Michigan didn't really put them in that position often enough.
Let's be clear: if that play had happened earlier in the game (as opposed to the second OT when our D was probably exhausted) it would have been destroyed.

dipshit moron

November 27th, 2016 at 5:46 PM ^

is it possible that the real problem was execution?  every fan judges success after the results  of a play are over. any play instead of the one that didnt work, could work. but maybe the play call was perfect but the execution sucked.

   i saw complaints about speight throwing from his own end zone, and yet urban did the very same thing. it almost resulted in a safety.  calling plays in real time is alot different then after the fact.

   and to be honest i think coaches like harbaugh and meyer know a helluva lot more about the game of football then you or me ever will.

I Like Burgers

November 27th, 2016 at 6:46 PM ^

The 1st INT Speight threw was 100% on execution.  Deveon completely missed his blocking assignment and allowed McMillan a clear lane to Speight, who hit his arm as he was throwing.  That's what caused the INT.  If Speight gets that off clean, I think they actually have a pretty big play because he has Darboh running 20-30 yards down the sideline 1 on 1.

And in most of the 4th quarter, the OL couldn't make a block to save their lives.  So you can certainly get into some Brady Hoke "they just didn't execute" territory here.  Would have been nice to see some new ideas over the last month.  Its like they came up with The Train, and called it a day.

snarling wolverine

November 27th, 2016 at 8:15 PM ^

On our last possession in regulation, which a lot of people are complaining about us Lloydballing, we gained six yards on the first two plays (both runs), which is respectable, and then on 3rd and 4 we called a slant that got Darboh open.  U/nfortunately Speight's pass wasn't great and Darboh dropped it.

 

Erik_in_Dayton

November 27th, 2016 at 5:49 PM ^

IIRC, they had success using him as a running back last year, handing him the ball with no gimmicks involved...But I don't know what they prepared for in practice but then didn't think they could use for whatever reason. And maybe Peppers wasn't up for playing 75 snaps (or whatever amount) for whatever reason. You have to have him on the field a decent amount for his presence not to telegraph that he's getting the ball.

All Blue in Cl…

November 27th, 2016 at 5:59 PM ^

To be like Alabama. It seems to me Bama has the ability to morph into a whatever v the other team gives them. Course there loaded with talent, the Patriots in the NFL also like to morph. Hopefully HAURBAUGH can adapt but he has a system he believes in, the talent level isn't there. Let's recruit bigger, stronger, faster and kick the shit out of everybody. They need playmakers, there not there yet. Meyer didn't out coach them, the game came ddown to athletic plays.

Zarniwoop

November 27th, 2016 at 6:12 PM ^

One thing I didn't know.

When the chips are on the line - we shit the bed.

If you take out the 21 point turnover swing, we kicked the fuck out of them.

Just ignore this post - I'm still stuffing my face with the sourest of grapes.  But, when one team has what... 11 penalties and the other has ONE?

Reader71

November 27th, 2016 at 6:21 PM ^

Regarding Gary: It doesn't matter at all that Gary was a consensus #1. Taco Charlton has been playing at an unbelievably high level, and Gary was not even remotely near that level. If Gary ever reaches that level, it will be the reason he was the consensus #1. Gary could have a fine career and be fully deserving of his 5 stars and yet never play as good as Charlton has played. If we ever see a UFR on this one, expect Charlton to lead the team in +. He was a dominator, and has been for most of the season. Charlton has been playing like a top 5 NFL draft pick.

Erik_in_Dayton

November 27th, 2016 at 9:22 PM ^

Something that pains me about yesterday is that I'm not sure we'll see a better performance by a Michigan defense against a Meyer-led OSU offense. I'm confident we'll see a better Michigan offense go up against Meyer and OSU, but yesterday may well be the peak defense - especially at DL. You'd hope a line made up of this group would be enough for a win.

MGoStrength

November 27th, 2016 at 7:21 PM ^

I'm not suggesting a Gary for Charlton swap.  Charlton had a great game.  I'm just suggesting he get more snaps.  They could have come from Wormley or Godin as well.  I also thought he could be utilized at DT, but they never seemed to want to try that.  I'd like to see a Charlton, Hurst, Gary, Wormley pass rush grouping the way OSU uses all DEs on 3rd and longs.  Taco had a great season and a great game, I just thought we could have used Mone & Gary more to keep the others fresh.  Wasn't this the same board that thought Gary would be staring day 1?

Reader71

November 27th, 2016 at 7:28 PM ^

I see what you mean, but Gary isn't heavy or strong enough right now to take serious snaps inside. Maybe in pass rushing situations, but even then, Is rather kick Wormley inside and bring Winovich off the edge. It's all opinion, of course, but I think Gary got the perfect amount of reps. Many early in the season when the competition is lighter, fewer later when the competition is tougher and our own DE we're playing great. Plus, high school seasons are shorter than college seasons, and freshman usually hit a wall around this time. My main point was to say that Charlton was playing at the very top of the way a consensus #1 might be expected to eventually play at. He has been spectacular. For a quick recent reference, I think Charlton has been better than Clowney ever was.

YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

November 27th, 2016 at 8:05 PM ^

dramatic over the last two years. He has added the power moves and setting the edge with speed rushes that he formerly relied upon. Taco's progress is a key reason why I am excited about Paye as a recruit - I think Tolbrrt and Mattison can shape him into a similar DE. He has the length and speed and edge rushing, but needs the power and discipline to control the edge.

MGoStrength

November 28th, 2016 at 7:29 AM ^

Malik McDowell is 6'6" 276 and Rashon Gary is 6'5" 287.  I bet McDowell was even lighter as a true freshmen, who even at that time was still a really good DT.  McDowell routinely blows back guys that are much heavier.  McDowell neither looks big nor particularly muscular.  I don't think his size or strength is a factor here.  I'd be surprised if freshman Malik McDowell was stronger than the guys he went up against, but he was still able to beat them.  I think Gary has the ability to be effective in the middle right now.  Hurst is another guy smaller than Gary that is effective at DT.

MichiganMAN47

November 27th, 2016 at 6:36 PM ^

I think the use of Peppers was a bit wasteful. He is most dangerous when he is in space. Using him at quarterback where he is always up against a stacked box seems like a poor use of him unless he is going to throw the ball occasionally. It worked against Wisconsin because they were surprised to see it. If we just used him as a WR or RB I think he would have had a greater impact, as he did last year. We could have tried to match him up against linebackers in space, but we never did. Would it have been that hard to give him an occasional crossing route or screen? If Peppers comes back, I fully expect his role to be more similar to what I described.

Esterhaus

November 27th, 2016 at 9:16 PM ^

 

For a number of reasons, this last game might nudge him to return for a final year. He committed some errors and the wildcat has not helped improve his compensation package thus far. Jabrill will get honest advisement from this coaching staff and his outside advisors (mom & co.) as to what place he can expect in the draft. If he declares, he will go early, however, the difference (and risk) between declaring and deferring could be ten million bucks. Peppers can still learn and improve under this Michigan staff. It wouldn't be foolhardy to wait another season and win a Heisman/improve O production over prior year. I wish the young man good luck no matter what.

Pepto Bismol

November 28th, 2016 at 9:44 AM ^

Could not agree more.  And it pains me to think that our coaching staff, who are practically infallible, could have whiffed on this so hard this season.

I think back to MSU last year, when Harbaugh & Co. were moving Peppers around constantly.  One particular play, he lined up in the slot and Dantonio burned TWO timeouts trying to figure out how to defend a simple formation.

Peppers f***ed with people's heads.  He's the best pure athlete on the field.  When defenses had to identify his position, you could see their confusion and panic grow.  And regardless of attention, if he got the ball with momentum and space, he was the most dangerous player we had.

I mean, where has this kind of play been all year?  When has Peppers the QB provided anything close to a result like this?  Why are we avoiding fun plays that get yards in favor of a vanilla wildcat?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAzr_5jN8jo

 

As you mention, the potential to isolate him on the perimeter, in space, either as a receiver or a ball carrier is completely lost when you use him as the QB.  The read option, or very few variations thereof, used by Michigan were rendered useless the 2nd half of the year.  People saw Pepcat and settled in to defend the same read option teams run a billion times every week.  We all grudgingly went along with it because we thought it was the foundation for some grand plan we were going to unleash in late November.  Turns out that was wrong.  It was just a crappy read option the whole time.

I Like Burgers

November 27th, 2016 at 6:38 PM ^

The offense has been below average for a month.  Michigan went from 6.32 to 6.44 to 5.35 yards per play over the course of the last three months.  In November, their 363 yards per game is 7th best in the Big Ten.  And those poor November numbers include the Maryland game when they had 660 yards of offense.  

Similar to last season, the team looks like it peaked too early.  Just on the other side of the ball this time.  No idea what happened to the play calling in the last month, but its been pretty bad.

YoOoBoMoLloRoHo

November 27th, 2016 at 6:41 PM ^

1. JH is almost too steeped in NFL management of the game. MSU (both years) and OSU games were classic examples with creative & ball-control offense for roughly 3 quarters and UM had solid leads in both. With this D and just solid O output, UM should win those games. Unlike the NFL, college kids make mistakes and momentum swings more than the NFL. 2. As mentioned by others, the Achilles heel is the inability of the OL (mostly) and the RBs (partially) to take control. Given point 1, JH needs a reliable running game to finish the games once he has schemed 10+ pt leads. What continues to impress me about this turnaround is UM's ability to lead almost every game late. Only a few times have we really been in a hole in the 2nd half. Utah and OSU last year are the only games that we were not ahead late and not the better team. 2 of 25 games.

HollywoodHokeHogan

November 27th, 2016 at 6:44 PM ^

Need a real qb. Not some cast off or kid playing his first season. Speight was getting there but the injury took too much out of him and the back up, well we know what that looked like. Brady Hoke fucked this team over at quarterback so badly it's not even funny. If you have bad qb play in college, you will lose.



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snarling wolverine

November 27th, 2016 at 8:34 PM ^

I agree with some criticism - the Pepcat is way too predictable and the lack of McDoom (assuming he's healthy) was hard to figure out.  But on the whole, I think the staff called a solid game in challenging circumstances, playing a top-10 defense on the road with a gimpy QB, shaky pass protection and limited run game.  

Some of the fan criticism feels like wanting to have our cake and eat it too - people complain about how the coaches were wrong to "take chances" on the two interceptions, but then also wrong to "not play to win" in the 4th quarter.  

Jonesy

November 28th, 2016 at 1:24 AM ^

We have a bad to mediocre qb and offensive line.  The fact that we had an extremely potent offense this year was all a result of the team's play calling genius.  What you see as bad play calling was really a failure to finagle our way to success around a bad qb and ol from time to time.