Oak Park 5* OL Justin Rogers leaves Michigan off top 13
That's now the third 5* in state OL that won't be going to Michigan. What an incredibly wasted opportunity to fix the biggest need inside the program. I don't know how this is something that people can just gloss over anymore. In state recruiting is broken and has been since Wheatley left.
If they can't land Lance Dixon (coach is an alumnus, plays a huge position of need, in-state, dad is a UM fan) then that means UM will only have landed 1 of the top 5 players (assuming they get Mazi Smith) in state. That's it's year 4 and we are having these discussion about Harbaugh's recruiting is not something I would have ever imagined when he was hired.
And there it is! Like clockwork.
Pretending that you know the coaches priorities is as foolish as posting to another team's message board.
This is more than my team, this is my school. Only thing foolish is pretending every highly ranked recruit that passes on UM must have grade issues, or character issues, or is overrated. It's laughable.
You're laughable, troll.
Simple reason(excuse?) may be, they know the UofM fanbase better than most recruits since they live with them and realize many of them are quite bluey, and they're worried another coach may be run out of AA by the Excalibur boozer crew.
Michigan hasn't won a B1G title since these kids were in diapers. Urban has won it twice at OSU and has a Natty.
Just sayin'
Oh Perkis . . .
Winning cures all...
Edit:
Some dudes just want to be a little different and go elsewhere. This happens from time to time. It's a bummer he's the top player in the state for 2020.
Darn nab it all!
I wish I could downvote.
What are the schools on his list? I don't want to make assumptions, but could it be that Michigan is recruiting him or the others for some reason? Are the schools comparable to M?
It is what it is we will be fine.
It's disappointing, but it's also not over. 2020 is a long ways away, and if he grew up in-state, I think there will enough folks in his ear for Michigan to mount a comeback.
There Might be sOme reasoN that hE is wanting to plaY at those other schools...Can't quite figure it out...
well maizen made his way to the new site...
Rogers is a 4* and the only thing that bothers me about his recruitment is your trolling.
Really hope the new look also leads to better moderation. Obvious troll is obvious.
We have a new offensive line coach with no ties to local high schools. It will take awhile for him to establish those relationships. From what this board has told us it seems in state recruiting is done by each position coach for their respective positions. We are already reaping the benefits of Warinner's ties to Ohio with Carpenter. Give him a year for recruits to see the progress of the line and 2020 in state will look a whole lot better.
It's clear Harbaugh needs to be fired, now that a 4* OL has selected Kentucky and Arizona and left off Michigan. Oh, the insult.
Michigan was in his top 3 a month ago and now out of it? Maybe there's more to it than just not having Michigan in his top 13? And it really doesn't matter, because right now he clearly has a top 1, so Michigan being 2, 13, or 50th doesn't matter.
Win some games, beat some rivals and things like this will change quickly.
Can Maizen be any more obvious? More concern trolling. I would be lying if I said I wasn't concerned about recruiting, but holy hell the constant threads and posts are nauseating.
Bluey is taking advantage of the absence of down votes to guild his point count up. Just ignore him.
Talk about concern trolling. The kid is a 4 star to all of the services (247 & Rivals, ESPN hasn't given out stars to 2020 yet), not 5.
I am trying to panic, I really am. See, here I am in the corner panicking.
I just can't get as bent out of shape about 2020 recruiting as Maizen Bluey needs me to be. It's just not in me. I don't have this artificial urgency about the decisions of kids built up inside my Michigan fandom.
I see the mods get upvote/downvote options on the board. Interesting. Very interesting. Hmmmmmm...where was I going with this???
I believe they just started working. all new posts and replies will have them.
When will we be able to downvote OPs?
Maizen, do you have any solutions? Positive things to say about all the things that are going right with the program? Or is it just more of the same ol crisis posts? You truly contribute to the worst part of the Michigan fan base. Nothings ever right is it pal?
Notice how the class that is already in place, and ranked 7th nationally "means nothing/is like a September Heisman" But the fact that an instate 2020 recruit left us off his list and Maizen's trying stoke the fire about Harbaugh's recruiting. Can't even enjoy the fact that our class is good at the moment...has to focus on how bad it could end up. This is the new "fire Beilein" "Beilein can't recruit". Just a new thing for maizen to be depressed about. Missing out on instate recruits sucks, but it does happen even to the Urban Meyer's of the world Maizen. Just last year they missed on Carman, who looks to be a stud. This is the OSU program that has the BIG ten championships, NC's, division titles, dominates their rivals. Maizen is beyond a glass half empty guy..let the troll crawl back into his cave.
Yes 6 months from early signing day recruiting rankings mean nothing!
18 months from signing day a HS sophmore's twitter means everything!
This is very disconcerting. It feels like this truly is a make or break year for recruiting and the direction of the program.
I posted on here a little while back that out of the top 10-15 in-state recruits 247 only had us pegged for 1-2 of them. So while this is not surprising, it does NOT bode well for Michigan recruiting. Especially since we whiffed on every top O-Line recruit last year.
To not even have M in the top 13 smells like bitterness to me...
Considering the lack of success of the O-Line over the last decade, I'm not really going to pin all of my hopes on one in state OL player that decided Michigan isn't going to get a shot at his services. This kid might be the next best OL or he might be the biggest dud ever. But he's not going to transform an o line all by himself.
How many recruits have we seen commit to a school early in their high school career (not only including Michigan, but across the country) only to decommit once or several times before NSD? No reason to freak out this early. Winning cures all and there’s a lot to be excited about this season.
Your post above about Keegan is incredibly ironic.
So first he likes Michigan, then a year before his signing day he was trending away from Michigan? Now he is trending back towards Michigan?
Hmm does that sound like someone else....
Its almost like things are incredibly fluid this far out.
Do you have a solution or do you just like bitching? Do you want to fire someone or something? We replaced 40% of our coaching staff over the off season and 2018 recruiting suffered for it. What we need right now is to have patience and keep some continuity, that way these coaches build relationships.
It’s June. I don’t care right now.
We aren't losing another football game this decade. It's really that simple.
He also doesn't list MSU. And Michigan was apparently on his top 3 list a bit ago. So sorry if I'm not totally sure what is going on about a guy 2+ years away from signing with a team.
I'm not close to a "sky is falling" guy, but this is embarrassing.
I will note that exactly 1 month ago he listed Michigan in his top 3. And he doesn't include MSU in his new list either.
So I'm going out on a limb and saying that this is well beyond anything Michigan can or has done.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/video/four-star-20-og-rogers-names-michigan-in-top-three/
The season is not over yet. A strong season on the field can have a dramatic change in the perception of youngsters.
Maybe they are not prioritising Michigan kids because historically they just haven't turned out to be that good. Looking back over 247 to 2013 the top three players are probably Hill, Lewis and Damon Webb. It isn't a huge sample size but they haven't gotten lot of value out of winning the Michigan battles. I know you have to win your back yard but whoever has won the state recently hasn't gotten a lot out of it.
1) They are prioritizing them, they are just whiffing on them.
2) To suggest that Michigan players haven't turned out that good is inaccurate and borderline irresponsible to post.
Regarding point number 2. There just haven't been many stars from Michigan, but a lot of replaceable players. If you go back to 2010 this is the list of impact players.
2016 - Top two performers are arguably 11 & 12 (Josh Jackson & David Reese). Jordan has been playing at OSU, Hill has been good at Michigan, Onwenu is barely hanging on as a starter. This was MSU’s destruction year.
2014 and 15 were virtual blow outs. In 2015 a back up (Weber) and John Kelly at 8. 2014 a program crusher in McDowell, Webb was ok/not drafted player.
2013 - Lewis and Hill jump out on that list, Elmer at ND.
2012 - Funchess was the highest pick but had very little impact on the program, Braden, Ross and Godin were consistent type contributors, Burbridge was a decent player (6th round pick) but not a game changer.
2011 - Thomas Rawls at 15, Jake Duzey at 13! Jake Fisher at 8(2nd round pick), Anthony Zettel at 5. Zettel is probably the best player there now and went undrafted.
2010 - Gholston was a good player and a 5 star. Max Bullough at 6, Hankins at 8. Tony Lippert at 19! One could argue #19 was the best player at least NFL wise.
Only 1 first round pick in 7 years (might be a lower rated kids name that I didn't pick up)... Aside from 2010 at MSU, Michigan recruiting doesn't change the fate of a program. There hasn't been one good QB.
My point is that Michigan would not have been a National Championship contender if it landed every top 10 player in the state of Michigan every year, it probably wouldn't have even made the top 10, christ or 20... Getting all the Michigan players hasn't really or wouldn't really have made us a better team.
WRONG!
According to the 247 composite data, before Harbaugh got there, UofM was 0 for the last 9 on state of Mi recruits rated higher than .97 stretching back to '06, (Harbaugh is 1 for 1 currently) and even from 2000 to '06, they were just 7 out of 13, just over 50%.
Harbaugh has had 18 Mi recruits in 4 years, the four previous had: 26, four before that: 18, before: 21; realistically, it you need to look before 1999 to find many real dominant stretches in Mi for UofM.
Seemingly, the trend is that the state recruits go through cycles in which they cool on UofM, especially during transition years ('09,'10,'14,'15,'16 had 4 or less commits from the state).
But even if you want to play the "top 3" game:
From 2000-2014:
#1s: 8/15
#2s: 7/15
#3s: 7/15
Harbaugh is:
#1s: 3/4 (including 2 in a row for the first time '05 -'06)
#2s: 1/4
3#s: 2/4
Plus there's only 2 years since 2000 they got the top 3 in the state the same year.... and yeah......guess who did that once?
Reality is most 5* Mi recruits have always gone out of state to the top programs, so.....OMFG....it's year 4! and Harbaugh hasn't fixed something that's been broken for two decades! Idiot.
This narrative is broken, please put in fire to warm the children.
Your strawman + my post = Burning Man!
Maizen? Is that you?
Oak Park has cranked out some amazing talent lately: John Kelly, JaRaymond Hall, Marquan McCall, and now Justin Rogers and Enzo Jennings. Excepting JaRaymond (which didn't work out so good), not one of them gave (or are giving) UM so much as a wink. Something funny going on there, unless everyone was/is an academic zero.