October 19th, 2015 at 3:23 PM ^
It's okay though, we should have won, and we're going to be a year better next year.
October 19th, 2015 at 3:40 PM ^
The constant whiney posts about what should've and could've been is angering the steel in my spine! Move on.
October 19th, 2015 at 4:04 PM ^
have something else in your spine.
October 19th, 2015 at 4:11 PM ^
The steel is still being tempered by these posts. It's a process.
October 19th, 2015 at 4:29 PM ^
but more of a discussion invitation. If you don't like the topic, move on.
If your panties are getting all wodded up over a few posts about a Michigan Football game, then maybe visit another site that does not specialize on topics having to do with Michigan Sports.
Quit acting like a "Mitch" (see front page) or a "bitch"
October 19th, 2015 at 10:26 PM ^
is a process we're all trying to get through
October 19th, 2015 at 4:42 PM ^
...recall our mantra last week when Dantonio was trying to plant the injury narrative:
No excuses.
October 19th, 2015 at 3:48 PM ^
Not a foul. The refs missed plenty of calls yesterday, no need to make up ones where they were actually right.
October 19th, 2015 at 4:00 PM ^
You are wrong.
October 19th, 2015 at 4:10 PM ^
No, he's right. The defender lined up in the gap and was pushed into the snapper. It would be one thing if MSU was setting up a punt return and they wanted to take out the offensive line. However, they were going balls out trying to get to O'Neill to block the punt. Intentionally hitting the center would only delay getting to the punter.
Watch the play again from the end zone point of view. In fact, in the photo above you can see that he is not lined up over the center.
October 19th, 2015 at 4:31 PM ^
The NFL says the D can't have a true nose tackle on the LS, that they have to line up outside the center's shoulders. Not so in College. They can line up anywhere they want. They just can't touch the LS until a second has elapsed.
And "pushed into the snapper"? Which one of the two guys that bowled over Spyniewski in a split second off the snap was pushed? I just can't see what you're talking about.
October 19th, 2015 at 4:44 PM ^
...cannot be with the center until 1 second has elapsed, but it can be less than that if the defender first contacts another offensive player:
III. NCAA Approved Ruling 9-1-2-XVIII-XX
...Immediately after the snap, with Team A in an obvious scrimmage kick formation, noseguard B71 attempts to “shoot the gap” between the snapper and the adjacent lineman. B71’s initial legal contact is with the lineman next to the snapper. RULING:Legal. Incidental contact with the snapper after this initial legal contact is not a foul (Rule 2-15-10).
October 19th, 2015 at 4:46 PM ^
October 19th, 2015 at 5:32 PM ^
I wish I could, but I can't find an endzone view. I understand the argument against me here -- if the defenders rub against the guards before shooting the gap then there's no penalty for contacting the center.
October 19th, 2015 at 5:38 PM ^
...by watching it here at 1/4 speed. The left DT (position) doesn't appear to make contact at all; the right DT (position) is engaged by the guard and blocked into the center. You can change the speed with the settings in the view frame.
October 19th, 2015 at 6:04 PM ^
Thanks for the 1/4 speed tip. By "convinced", I'm not sure which way you're leaning. I did find an endzone view. Gedeon is lined up as the "left guard" but there's a huge separation between him and Spyniewski. Morgan is the right guard, with an equally large gap. The defenders are closer to Spyniewski than either of the guards by a long shot and they're exploding at the snap. I still can't see either Gedeon or Morgan getting even a hand on either of the defenders before they hit Spyniewski.
October 19th, 2015 at 10:27 PM ^
an endzone view floating around somewhere. theScore app ran a whole article about it...
October 19th, 2015 at 11:10 PM ^
October 19th, 2015 at 4:28 PM ^
The D is prohibited from touching the LS for a full second after the snap. Spyniewski gets plowed over by not one, but two DLs -- violently and dangerously -- before the clock even reached 9 seconds.
I know, I know... it doesn't matter. But, it's a call the refs absolutely missed. It's as if they figured, like everyone else in the house, that the game was over, and just took the play off. The intent of the rule is to protect long snappers from having exactly that happen to them. You'd think anytime there's a LS on the field, one of the zebras should be responsible for that protection.
Throw the flag, first down Michigan, game over and there'd be no legitimate argument over the call.
October 20th, 2015 at 9:30 AM ^
Yes, that angle gives a good view of the block/push.
October 20th, 2015 at 12:53 PM ^
Looks to me like the snapper is already being blown up before any Michigan blocker makes any contact with the MSU player. As others have noted, the nearest Michigan lineman was too far away to make contact before the snapper is hit.
October 19th, 2015 at 3:24 PM ^
Which player are you asserting is in the neutral zone?
October 19th, 2015 at 3:25 PM ^
How do you not see that?
October 19th, 2015 at 3:30 PM ^
How do you see that? Do you mean the top of his helmet is over the ball, or that his feet are in the neutral zone?
October 19th, 2015 at 3:33 PM ^
Draw a line from the left hashmark of the 47 to the right hashmark of the 47.
The ball is entirely on one side of that line, and his feet are entirely on the other side of that line.
October 19th, 2015 at 3:36 PM ^
of the other MSU players.
October 19th, 2015 at 3:40 PM ^
No it does not.
October 19th, 2015 at 4:01 PM ^
Yes, it does.
October 19th, 2015 at 5:01 PM ^
I know you are, but what am I?
October 19th, 2015 at 11:35 PM ^
Oh Quattro i have seen thee in these pages erring aplenty, but alas, thine own words doth sting thee most...
October 19th, 2015 at 3:43 PM ^
It's the top of his helmet. Not his feet. Very easy to see. That's the rule.
October 19th, 2015 at 3:57 PM ^
I know the rule--I know that no part of the defender's body can be in the neutral zone.
But again...draw a line segment from the left 47-yard-line hashmark to the right 47-yard-line hashmark. The ball is entirely on one side of the line segment, and every part of every defender is on the other side of the line segment. Ergo, not in the neutral zone.
October 19th, 2015 at 5:36 PM ^
I held up a ruler and he isn't in the neutral zone. Though I did see a shooter in the grassy knoll...
October 19th, 2015 at 3:34 PM ^
The neutral zone is only a single football length (11 inches). Close, but looks fine to me.
October 19th, 2015 at 10:28 PM ^
I agree, defensive players are lined up this way on 50% of plays. nothing to see here
October 19th, 2015 at 3:24 PM ^
Move on.
October 19th, 2015 at 3:24 PM ^
And Michigan fumbled the snap. What's your point?
October 19th, 2015 at 3:24 PM ^
October 19th, 2015 at 3:25 PM ^
Has anyone checked to see that?
October 19th, 2015 at 3:33 PM ^
It gets underneath their skin when you can diminish their wins. i like that.
October 19th, 2015 at 3:26 PM ^
Did the Big Ten credit us with the win or is that now allowed? haha
October 19th, 2015 at 10:29 PM ^
perhaps the playoff committee will see it that way?
October 19th, 2015 at 3:27 PM ^
stop it (double post)
October 19th, 2015 at 3:27 PM ^
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October 19th, 2015 at 3:27 PM ^
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October 19th, 2015 at 3:28 PM ^
Notice how he is in front of every other Spartan.
October 19th, 2015 at 3:33 PM ^
Except the one in the middle of the block M who is lined up directly even with the guy over center. So, let's say the refs missed two off sides and a personal foul on the center. How does that make a difference to you at this point??