MSU HC Tucker calls himself a 'horsesh*t coach'
Here's a link to the quotation, via Twitter.
Obviously, I enjoy this because it's MSU, &c. His self-critique seems accurate, too, because he personally helped to coach the DBs.
One sub-topic I'm interested in hearing about from the board, putting aside the football aspect of it, is how helpful saying this about oneself can be.
On one hand, I like frankness and willingness to take responsibility. I really dislike it in others and myself to not be honest about what happened and attempt to rewrite the past, often to feel better. Though on the other hand, I do think there is truth to some ideas that we listen to the things we say about ourselves and that negative talk can harm your output and growth. Is the solution maybe to be honest about the situation but not describe it in absolute terms about yourself? Something like, "I made this mistake, but I am capable of better."
September 20th, 2022 at 10:32 AM ^
Horseshit Comin'!
September 20th, 2022 at 10:47 AM ^
Football wise -- and for leadership in general -- it's a good trait to shoulder the responsibility of failure. In tutoring and teaching, I try to take on as much of that as I can, even if I know that there is a lack of student effort evident. Starting with "maybe I can explain things better for you" and then building toward "now, this is what YOU can do to perform better" is more effective than laying it all on the students -- like Izzo apparently does. So, on the face of it, this is a good move.
That said, this degree of negative self-talk can become harmful if it evolves into a chronic behavior. In the past I have had tons of issues with perfectionism and this has led to some terrible self-commentary and resulting procrastination, shutting down, etc.
TL;DR It's fine, but it's not a good idea to make this a habit.
Finally, I hope we eviscerate that secondary. Fuck State.
September 20th, 2022 at 10:54 AM ^
Credit to Tucker for taking some of the heat (compared to guys like Brain Kelly who throws every one of his players under the bus whenever possible). Still, Tucker's been on that job now 3 years and his recruiting outside of the portal seemingly hasn't fixed these major issues - the defensive backfield and the offensive line are still awful - and at some point he's going to run out of excuses for giving up 400 yards in the air.
I do think last year was a bit of a dead-cat bounce for MSU and we might be seeing a sustained downturn that was kicked off toward the end of the Dantonio era.
September 20th, 2022 at 11:51 AM ^
It will truly be a dead-cat bounce if Mel's teams loses to Minn on Saturday and then go on to lose to Penn State, OH State and of course get blasted by Michigan. That ads up to 4 losses in the regular season. Hopefully, it gets worse for them sparties.
September 20th, 2022 at 11:23 PM ^
I bet they split and go 2 - 2
September 20th, 2022 at 11:51 AM ^
FWIW, MSU was 23rd in recruiting last year (according to 24/7) & currently ranked 21st. Far from elite, but a lot better than the last years of Dantonio.
September 20th, 2022 at 10:54 AM ^
Dear Mr. Coach Harbaugh - just win. Remember The Arm!
It's possible to do a poor job a thousand different ways and overcome the errors. None of those would necessarily relegate you to the manure pile.
September 20th, 2022 at 11:26 AM ^
Mel is way too hard on himself. Personally, I LOVE how the Spartans were prepared for their game against Washington.
Many people are "questioning" Tucker's in game decisions - e.g. going for two when you're down by 21. Or, that the Spartan secondary was not prepared or defended effectively.
Respectfully, I think Tucker did - and, is doing, a great job. Their secondary played ideally last Saturday. Their pass rush and DL - well - again, I appreciated it - greatly.
Mel - please, please - don't change a thing. Do exactly what you have been doing. Keep up the good work...
September 20th, 2022 at 11:33 AM ^
Here's truly hoping that the horsepuckey continue to pile upon Tucker and MSU all day and night on October 29th.
September 20th, 2022 at 11:47 AM ^
The MSU AD disagrees because they awarded Mel the uber rich contract extension after beating Mich for the second straight time.
If Mel feels that he's not that great then maybe he should return at least half of his annual salary back to the athletic department. I'd love to hear what he'll say if Michigan curb stomps his team on Oct 29th.
September 20th, 2022 at 11:49 AM ^
Kind of refreshing. He's the direct opposite of Izzo. Threw himself under the bus for failure and not his players.
September 20th, 2022 at 11:57 AM ^
If he's horseshit now, what will he be in a few weeks??
September 20th, 2022 at 12:02 PM ^
I think he meant to say “wold’s highest paid horsesh*t coach.”
September 20th, 2022 at 12:11 PM ^
I get an RR snake oil salesman vibe from him. Hopefully Minnesota can row the boat all over them but unfortunately I see msu pulling some lucky shit out of their ass. Plus no way Kevin Warren lets them lose two in a row.
September 20th, 2022 at 12:48 PM ^
It feels so petty but I hate him mostly because of the "Tuck Coming" slogan.
September 20th, 2022 at 1:52 PM ^
Same. It's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
September 20th, 2022 at 4:25 PM ^
Yeah seriously, what is that?? It's so weird.
September 20th, 2022 at 1:27 PM ^
At least he recognizes it. What an accomplishment. Most other Spartans are in permanent, denial.
September 20th, 2022 at 2:13 PM ^
$90,000,000.00
September 20th, 2022 at 2:41 PM ^
In the end, he is blaming the players though. He made a big splash with his hose**** comment, but then went on to say the problem wasn't scheme but they'll be looking at personnel in practice to see who steps up.
He's a pretty green HC with a spotty record as DC, but he's being paid like an experienced HC with a long record of winning football. If he is afraid to admit their might be problems with the scheme, it could be a long year for the Sparties.
September 20th, 2022 at 2:43 PM ^
Here is what I thought was bizarre, but maybe's he's smarter than I am:
I heard him interviewed Monday before the game and there was a question as to whether they were doing anything special to prepare for the first road game (@Washington). He replied that one thing they were doing was getting the team to go to bed an hour earlier, so as to prepare for the east to west time change.
I thought, hmm, if you really thought that might make a difference wouldn't you have them go to bed an hour later and get up an hour later, or at least the second part? Why would you switch to a schedule as if you were about to play somewhere out in the Atlantic Ocean instead of 3 time zones away to the west.
When they started poorly I figured that half the team was probably wondering why they were playing a game beginning at approximately bedtime (10:30 EDT) assuming their normal curfew is 11 or 12 and he was moving it back to 10 or 11.
September 20th, 2022 at 3:10 PM ^
He obviously has problems with math. Heck he went for 2 during the game when he did not have to.
September 20th, 2022 at 2:44 PM ^
I really like the introspective way you've posted this. Personally I do try to be self-critical, and to be as honest as I can, most especially with myself. That said, I read a thing about how elite competitors in every field basically have to lie to themselves - "I am the best ." On it's face it's very probably not true. But if you don't believe it, it will never be true. Likewise, I think of Cam Newton saying "show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser." I VIBE with that. I learned to keep a stiff upper lip when I lose and be respectful, but I think inwardly all of us feel like Cam Newton when we lose. Only difference is, most guys in the NFL never had to learn how to be good losers until they make it to the NFL.
Anyhow, it's nice to see Tuck being human and taking responsibility, but I'm with you - to stay an elite coach, he should tell himself "I am better than this and I will be better than this."
September 20th, 2022 at 10:15 PM ^
Thanks a bunch for the considered response to the second part of my post!
I am still unclear on my personal answer, but I'd like to offer that lying, almost irrespective of one's moral foundations, is considered ethically bad. That's in tension with actively hurting yourself. Maybe this is a reason why we can handle cognitive dissonance. We need both things to be true, so our brain allows it.
The other consideration for me is being 'soft.' Like, I'm an adult. I should be able to face the music of my performance.
I know I'm all over the place, but one more idea: not admitting my bad performance is actually bad if it leads to ignoring the mistake. It's implied in your comment, though, that this isn't an outcome you'd see from competitors.
Right now, I'm sort of drifting to the 'context' approach. Just saying: this was a mistake that doesn't reflect on who I am unless I don't fix the problem. And then maybe positively reinforce myself with other things I'm good at--that kind of thing.
September 20th, 2022 at 3:01 PM ^
To be fair, he's right.
September 20th, 2022 at 3:02 PM ^
So...
... we can quote him on this like FOREVER and EVER to our MSU acquaintances?
I'm cool with that.
September 20th, 2022 at 3:15 PM ^
I would like nothing more than our boys to drop 35 on them in the first half, with JJ throwing for over 300 yards, and torching their secondary.
September 20th, 2022 at 4:26 PM ^
This is possible.
September 20th, 2022 at 6:37 PM ^
And another 35 in the second half
September 20th, 2022 at 4:53 PM ^
I know Mel Tucker is pretty hated on this board, but I must say, his willingness to take responsibility for the outcome of the game is very refreshing compared to someone like Brian Kelly, who would have taken the opportunity to throw the players and/or assistant coaches under the bus.
September 20th, 2022 at 7:57 PM ^
He is definitely a decent man and a likable guy. I'm sure he treats his players like human beings and is a relatively sane person. Which makes it likely he will be screwing MSU over in the next year or two.
September 21st, 2022 at 6:05 AM ^
He didn't really take responsibility. Immediately after the horseshit comment he said it was a personnel, not scheme, issue.
September 20th, 2022 at 10:11 PM ^
He is taking the heat for, and focus off of, his team - what a leader does.
Distract from the gargantuan list of player miscues.
Like last year - Purdue blows them out, then he disses U of M over
rightfully
complaining about the blown call on the Hutchinson TD.
Took the air out of the room on MSU's secondary being exposed,
Gloat all you like but he has 2 more wins over us than John L.
And 2 more than he should have.
However, I look for us to put up 50 against them this year,
September 20th, 2022 at 11:21 PM ^
well he has had the upper hand against JHarbs
September 21st, 2022 at 5:58 AM ^
Hardly anything coaches (or most public figures) say nowadays can be taken at face value.
A coach will take the blame to take it off his players, and sometimes his staff, as a way of removing pressure from them and putting it on to himself, displaying the kind of loyalty and accountability he wants from them, motivating them to defend him, etc.