LB

February 4th, 2018 at 8:35 PM ^

While I don't disagree with the outcome it's easy to stand up after a couple hundred young women have paved the way. Not one of them heard a single word about campus assaults prior to this, I'm sure.

clarkiefromcanada

February 5th, 2018 at 12:05 AM ^

This is both true, probably and untrue, probably.

That is, professors on the Sparty campus have, for certain, bumped against a complicit administration over the years. Simon's tone deaf approach on all things discipline and the administration's ridiculously cozy relationship with the AD has been problematic. Obviously, athletics have been prioritized over Teaching/Research/Service over the past several decades dating back to Perles. None of us would know if a faculty member or several have advocated or voiced concerns at MSU on various issues but, certainly, that would have occurred within a culture of denial, reprisal and cover-up on the administration side. 

FWiW, the faculty have no choice but to no-confidence the BOT. The reputation of the school, nationally and internationally is a shambles. Attending professional conferences, presenting science and doing the day-to-day work of any academic in terms of teaching/service would be black marked by this administration and complicit BOT. The BOT answer is to just do more of the same. Sad.

Section 1.8

February 5th, 2018 at 11:12 AM ^

"All Michigan residents need to vote out the idiotic BoT at MSU."

 

Respectfully, isn't that sort of the point?  We have a state constitution; not a completely dusty relic from some agrarian past but the product of a statewide convention in 1963.  The legal chartering and confirmation of the governance structure of the three largest state universities is in that constitution.  Our constitution.  And it provides for one of the more small-d democratic methods of university governance you'll find in the nation.  Direct statewide election of boards, with about as many members as, say, the state supreme court, and with an ex officio position on the boards, for the respective university presidents.

So you'll get your chance, to vote them out or vote them back in.  I am indeed sorry that you can't do that next week, and you'll have to wait until there is a general election at the conclusion of each of their respective terms.  Representative democracies and republics do stuff like that.

Serious question; would you and others here prefer that a board be selected by a governor and, say, confirmed by the state senate?  Would it matter to you, who was the governor and which party held the state senate majority?  Do you think that the faculty members should pick the leadership?  Who then would represent the voters and taxpayers when the faculty went on strike, if the faculty effectively selected the Board(s)?

Do you boys know what the governance of OSU and theo other Ohio state universities looks like?  I'm serious; it's not a them-versus-us thing.  I've looked at it; I see a lot less small-d democracy, a lot more room for vanity/celebrity board members, but with their having less power and the real power being conentrated more in a state board of education that is less accountable to voters than, say, Michigan's Regents.

 

swan flu

February 4th, 2018 at 7:28 PM ^

The response of the student body, athletes, alumni, and now faculty, has been commendable to say the least.

 

It's easy to say "it's the right thing to do" but, I mean, Penn State didn't do it.

 

Respect to the Spartan faculty and students.

saveferris

February 5th, 2018 at 9:49 AM ^

Nobody has touched the Spartan football and/or basketball programs....yet.  Penn State reacted the way it did because Joe Pa got fired in disgrace and the NCAA came along and dropped the hammer on the football program.

Let's see how commendable Spartan Nation is if the NCAA nukes the football/basketball programs and Dantonio/Izzo get shown the door.  I think the reaction may be a little different.

clarkiefromcanada

February 5th, 2018 at 12:10 AM ^

We see the outcomes of this as University presidents become less about the core mission of the universities (teaching/research/service) and more about brand management.

This was Lou Anna Simon's utter failure as she ignored instance after instance of deeply concerning content across a variety of sports even prior to Nassar. 

The problem is that schools have become so beholden to the revenue/exposure of their athletics and at a second tier school like MSU the desire to use athletic success to equate themselves with more highly ranked/successful institutions is too much of a draw, too intoxicating for many. Lou Anna Simon being one, the MSU board being others. 

yossarians tree

February 5th, 2018 at 12:33 PM ^

When MSU people like Valenti freak out about the stain on Nassar unfairly spreading to Izzo and Dantonio, they miss this point entirely. MSU's systemic blind eye toward the pervasive rape culture was not in place to protect the gymnastics program. It was there very clearly to protect the basketball and football programs that were in the midst of a Golden Age and the single biggest source of pride for that community. Nassar was just able to use it as cover. The fact that half the board is ex-jocks and/or coaches points directly to this. And speaking of which, I didn't know that George Perles was alive much less sitting on their board. The dude was a decent football coach but nobody ever accused him of being the sharpest knife in the drawer. And I recall how every year he would play up rumors of leaving for the NFL in order to extract more money from his beloved MSU. 

UM Fan from Sydney

February 4th, 2018 at 7:37 PM ^

This is like Star Wars and the senators with their vote of no confidence in chancellor valorrum (spelling?)

Perkis-Size Me

February 5th, 2018 at 10:20 AM ^

The prequels were flaming heaps of dog shit. The Force Awakens was a blatant re-packaging of A New Hope, but still good. Rogue One was great, and I don't get everyone's beef with The Last Jedi. I was entertained and personally that's all I care about with going to movies like this. I do not expect it to be The Godfather. 

I don't think it's so much that the new movies suck. People just need to re-evaluate their expectations before going to the theater. If you place the original trilogy on a pedestal (as you should), you can't realistically expect the new movies to live up to that level. Those movies are timeless classics, and if you're comparing new additions to movies that defined an entire genre of film, you're bound to be disappointed.

It's the same reason you can't expect Better Call Saul to live up to Breaking Bad, or whatever GoT spinoff comes out from the original GoT series. By default, they won't be as good. But it doesn't mean they can't be great shows or movies. 

Perkis-Size Me

February 5th, 2018 at 10:13 AM ^

I would hope not, as that resulted in a sith lord taking over and effectively destroying everything good and decent in the galaxy. Got to hope MSU ends up with a different result. 

And how I found a good woman to marry me, I'll never know....

CarrIsMyHomeboy

February 4th, 2018 at 8:44 PM ^

If the BoT is ultimately out, by resignation or Snyder, then they will get an influx of outsiders from the state D and R parties. And that would be enough to get pure, University-backed introspection and independent investigation. It's also unlikely that Engler would keep the interim appointment. Everything (presumably/hypothetically/given what we know) changes when the BoT leaves. Beginning and ending with their preference for legalistic and avoidant -- rather than victim-focused -- house cleaning strategies.

Jeff09

February 4th, 2018 at 8:38 PM ^

Glad to see there are some adults in that organization. It makes sense, too. The faculty doesn’t typically give two shits about athletics and all these news stories are potentially harmful to their long term academic careers. The average professor probably stands to gain the most by a comprehensive athletics house cleaning

LSAClassOf2000

February 4th, 2018 at 10:24 PM ^

That's the takeaway I got from people I was chatting with today about this very thing - the faculty wants someone from the academic world rather than a politician, and the impression that I was getting from people is that MSU ties weren't necessarily important to them. Indeed, someone on Twitter mentioned that Mary Sue Coleman was a name that was actually batted around for a bit. Not sure how seriously, of course. 

phjhu89

February 4th, 2018 at 9:25 PM ^

The most impressive thing in this article?  Over 1900 out of 2776 faculty members actually read and responded to the email they got this weekend to vote.  That is incredible.  This is not sarcasm.  They are engaged, and they are pissed off.

AMazinBlue

February 4th, 2018 at 11:32 PM ^

But somehow this university will find a way to fill it with former athletes, coaches and those that only care about the AD. They seem to have no regard for the academic side of MSU. It is truly sad. Must be embarrassing to be a graduate of that school. The only things that matter to the leadership is Izzo and Dantonio